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Try beating this guy

Senkoro said:
Whose KC? Also didn't Heaven's Ascension Dio beat him? Aleister is stronger than Heaven's Ascension Dio.
He created a spell that weakened magic Gods enough so he could easily kill them. Saying that GER can negated something of that magnitude sounds like NLF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/High_Priest

This guy was killed by Aleister's minon Noukan.
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HA DIO was only able to beat GER because he himself was an acasual being. That allowed him to bypass it's abilities with relative ease and stomp him.

Aleister however has showcased no feats of being above the laws of cause and effect and therefore is vulnerable to GER. Also being outside space/time does not equal Acausality, I have been through this discussion before with Lord Kav and that is what was said.
 
J.J. Chambers said:
What he said.
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And Asriel Dreemurr.

Dude why did you plagiarize VSbattle wiki? You could've created an original one. Didn't even bother to put our name as reference
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Senkoro said:
Whose KC? Also didn't Heaven's Ascension Dio beat him? Aleister is stronger than Heaven's Ascension Dio.
He created a spell that weakened magic Gods enough so he could easily kill them. Saying that GER can negated something of that magnitude sounds like NLF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/High_Priest

This guy was killed by Aleister's minon Noukan.
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HA DIO was only able to beat GER because he himself was an acasual being. That allowed him to bypass it's abilities with relative ease and stomp him.
Aleister however has showcased no feats of being above the laws of cause and effect and therefore is vulnerable to GER. Also being outside space/time does not equal Acausality, I have been through this discussion before with Lord Kav and that is what was said.
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What is causality? How about Elder God Demonbane? He still needs to activate his shining tetrahedryon in order to use it.

Is that also part of cause and effect? Othinius showed feats way beyond ordinary cause and effect. So did the magic Gods.

Just what do you mean when you say Causal? Also didn't dio die because his alternate self existed in the same universe as him?

I don't see how that allows hime to be Acausal. Dio needs to touch others to use his powers, Othinus doesn't.
 
Senkoro said:
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Senkoro said:
Whose KC? Also didn't Heaven's Ascension Dio beat him? Aleister is stronger than Heaven's Ascension Dio.
He created a spell that weakened magic Gods enough so he could easily kill them. Saying that GER can negated something of that magnitude sounds like NLF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/High_Priest

This guy was killed by Aleister's minon Noukan.
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HA DIO was only able to beat GER because he himself was an acasual being. That allowed him to bypass it's abilities with relative ease and stomp him.
Aleister however has showcased no feats of being above the laws of cause and effect and therefore is vulnerable to GER. Also being outside space/time does not equal Acausality, I have been through this discussion before with Lord Kav and that is what was said.
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What is causality? How about Elder God Demonbane? He still needs to activate his shining tetrahedryon in order to use it.
Is that also part of cause and effect? Othinius showed feats way beyond ordinary cause and effect. So did the magic Gods.

Just what do you mean when you say Causal? Also didn't dio die because his alternate self existed in the same universe as him?

I don't see how that allows hime to be Acausal. Dio needs to touch others to use his powers, Othinus doesn't.
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First up. GER wont affect EGD at all. Dimensional differences and all.

Show them please. If Othi is not AcasuallI have to call bs on that.

When I mean acasual I mean for them to ignore the rules of cause and effect. Sol Badguy was killed in a past timeline and was still alive in a future one hence him being acasual. Display any Index char doing the same.

DIO was killed via Jotaro using the bracelet Dirty deeds made to seal off his hands. Rendering his stand useless.

HA Dio is acasual due to his past selfes being kille (Phantom Blood) and still survivng. Plus being able to render GER's abilities useless also give him this ability.

Nobody in Index has ever went beyond the laws of C&E therefore they fall victim to GER. (Bar 5D beings etc)
 
Othiniius casually rewrote the universe over 10 000 times with literally nothing more than a blink of an eye.

She had control of all of reality include life and death, time and space, everything. The magic gods were unaffected by Othinius who could easily destroy the world so that nothing was left, and by world I mean universe. That level of destruction and creation is beyond anything HA had ever done.

The magic gods are infinitely stronger than Othinius, just by moving they would destroy the universe. They need to divide their power by infinite to even enter the real world.

Aleister killed 8 Magic Gods himself after weakening them with their own spell. Aleister is also called the worse and most gifted Magician.

Also HA Dio was killed was he not? Unless you're saying that someone else in JoJo had Othnius's level of abilities here, it proves he isn't acasual.
 
Level of destruction =/= Acausality. Also any scans showing she had control over causality my friend? You're just saying feats without a source now I would like evidence

HA DIO's profile states him to be acausual for the very reasons I stated. If you disagree feel free to make a downgrade thread.

Look its very simple. Othinus can only be acausual if she is above the laws of cause and effect. If you have no concrete proof for this then there is no point making a reply to me. And existing outside of time/space wont help your case either.

This is the criteria they have to match
 
Let's see, she rewrote the universe so that everyone was happy, brought salvation to the world, brought despair to the world, had the entire world fight against the main character Touma, she has control of all laws, basically anyone who isn't a true magic god can't beat her.

Here's a list of her powers: Including Causality Manipulation basically she is way above cause and effect.

Powers and Abilities: Magic, Reality manipulation, Time manipulation, Moral manipulation, Potentiality Lordship, Reality Filtering, Personal Probability Manipulation, Meta Probability Manipulation, Necromancy, High Regenerationn, Immortality(type 1, 3 and Possibly 4), Causality Manipulation, Changing the natural laws

The magic Gods are Infinitely above her, and Aleister killed them.
 
Being above cause and effect is Acausal. Having causality manipulation like Othinus is not the same as being acausual. Hence why its not on her powers and abilities. GER would even be able to defend against it as it is a acausual being.
 
The person GER fought was nowhere near the level of Othnius in terms of reality manipulation.
 
Senkoro said:
The person GER fought was nowhere near the level of Othnius in terms of reality manipulation.
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The only reason HA DIO won was because of Acausality. Without it GER would stomp him easily.
 
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Living in places outside of distance/time does not equal one being above the laws of causality though as I have been told before. He would have to be specifcally stated to be above its laws.
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Causality exists in different levels. Else you would claim every causality manipulator can use his ability on 87348 dimensional characters.

Similar to how living outside of the timeline doesn't mean being immune spacetime manipulation, but having spacetime manipulation doesn't mean you can automatically do something against such a character, since most spacetime manipulation would be restiricted to 4-D space.

You would have to proof that GER's ability extents to causality beyond the concept of time or to higher temporal dimensions for it to be useable on characters like aleister that are beyond the concept of linear time.

That aside Aleister is faster than GER. Limited Omnipresence and Immeasureable speed otherwise.
 
I'm the one that made omnipresence on a 3D scale nigh-useless when I made a post on Azzy's page. With help from Faisal.
 
Can you be a bit more specific? How is it useless?

Also Aleister isn't only omnipresent on a 3-D scale, he appeared in the Hidden World as well so technically he's omnipresent on a 4-D scale.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
Apparently omnipresence on a 3D scale isn't useful in combat.
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Yes, that's why I mentioned that he is Immeasureable otherwise. It was to this point not noted on his profile, because limited omnipresence was the higher speed until recently, so that is wasn't notable.
 
It's useless against a universe buster with faster reaction speed, as omnipresence doesn't grant faster reaction speed. For example, SB Janemba has 3-D nigh-omnipresence, but because his reaction speed is FTL+, someone like Hades (Saint Seiya) would have no trouble dispatching him with his MFTL+itude
 
We should probably mention on Omnipresence page that it has no direct correlation with combat speed, and a character's reaction speed isn't enhanced by being omnipresent.

I don't know the point of mentioning omnipresent on profiles anyway. The highest order of speed is Irrelevant for characters who're beyond concept of dimension. Omnipresence just creates confusion for causal members really
 
^ Isn't that specific to a single verse though? Other verses might have different ideas, like how Homura in her Devil Form can be omnipresent in 3-D, and appears to easily overpower Sayaka by just blinking?

To be fair Homura is also omnipresent in 4-D as well but anyway.

GER still hasn't been shown to negate causality on the level of the Magic Gods. Even if he can negate the destruction of 1 timeline, I doubt he can negate a spell that can weaken him as much as Aleister had weakened the Magic gods.
 
DontTalk said:
Austrian-Man-Meat said:
Living in places outside of distance/time does not equal one being above the laws of causality though as I have been told before. He would have to be specifcally stated to be above its laws.
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Causality exists in different levels. Else you would claim every causality manipulator can use his ability on 87348 dimensional characters.
Similar to how living outside of the timeline doesn't mean being immune spacetime manipulation, but having spacetime manipulation doesn't mean you can automatically do something against such a character, since most spacetime manipulation would be restiricted to 4-D space.

You would have to proof that GER's ability extents to causality beyond the concept of time or to higher temporal dimensions for it to be useable on characters like aleister that are beyond the concept of linear time.

That aside Aleister is faster than GER. Limited Omnipresence and Immeasureable speed otherwise.
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(Sorry for quoting block of text)

GER has been able to manipulate causality when time/space was erased due to King Crimson's ability. I have no doubt that GER's level of causality manipulation would affect Aleister and other 4-D characters.
 
Senkoro said:
Is there a profile of King Crimson? I seriously doubt he is on par with Othnius.
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GER managed to effortlessly stomp King Crimson. And would probably do the same to Othinus due to her not being an acausal being,having infinite speed etc.
 
SO there is no profile for King Crimson? Also actually read what DonT Talk said before saying acausal.

Here I quote:

Causality exists in different levels. Else you would claim every causality manipulator can use his ability on 87348 dimensional characters.

Similar to how living outside of the timeline doesn't mean being immune spacetime manipulation, but having spacetime manipulation doesn't mean you can automatically do something against such a character, since most spacetime manipulation would be restiricted to 4-D space.

You would have to proof that GER's ability extents to causality beyond the concept of time or to higher temporal dimensions for it to be useable on characters like aleister that are beyond the concept of linear time.

That aside Aleister is faster than GER. Limited Omnipresence and Immeasureable speed otherwise.
 
You ignored the part where I showed Don't that GER has been able to use its abilitiy even when time/space is erased.. Which indicates Aleister would not be able to resist it.

Diavolo is KC's profile.

Yes Aleister is faster than GER via his immeasurable speed which would most likely grant him the win unless you argue that his willpower would be sucked away by being in its mere range (Multiversal). GER stomps Othinus though.
 
^ How many universes can GER casually destroy before getting tired.

According to the rules of this wiki, we have to put Othinius in the range of low 2-C because she never destroyed more than 1 universe at a time, however she is probably a lot stronger than most other low 2-C, because she can without effort destroy the universe rather than most people with effort.

Also doesn't Giorno need conditions to activate his GER, before he can do that he would get one shotted or blinked.
 
Senkoro said:
^ How many universes can GER casually destroy before getting tired.
According to the rules of this wiki, we have to put Othinius in the range of low 2-C because she never destroyed more than 1 universe at a time, however she is probably a lot stronger than most other low 2-C, because she can without effort destroy the universe rather than most people with effort.

Also doesn't Giorno need conditions to activate his GER, before he can do that he would get one shotted or blinked.
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GER has a multiversal stand range. Look it up. Othi loses all willpower which makes her a sitting duck giving GER the chance to LOD punch Othi.

Your question is completely irrelevant as GER is based around Hax rather than destruction. If Giorno is up against someone like Othinus GER would automatically respond to threats and deal with them accordingly. As it done with Diavolo.
 
Othinius's reality warping is also hax as well. She can do a lot more than negation, people like Fiamma she can make by blinking. What's to say that Othinius wouldn't just negate his negation or make it non-existant? Her power is described by the author as a 100% chance of success in any circumstance. That's a lot more impressive than simply negating your opponent's attacks. Saying that GER can negate Othinius's power just because it erased a single timeline which was probably the King's strongest attack doesn't make any sense. She didn't even have to try when she was erasing the universe and recreating it.
 
Doubt it^

It says it can negate death, the fact that is there means you can kill him. Also it's not absolute, saying it can negate Othinius is a NLF. Unless you show that king has the same level of reality warping as Othinius.
 
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