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Trinity Seven Revision : Probability Manipulation for Demon Lords

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Demon Lords can make the impossible possible,


Even in Trinity Seven, imitating another magus's magic is highly unlikely due to the differences in Thema & Archive,


However, Arata was able to copy Lilith's magic and
materialize one of Lilith's magic.


And also just by imagining an object, Arata can bring up/create the object he wants.



Conclusions :
  • All Demon Lord will get Probability Manipulation.
  • Arata will get Probability Manipulation, Power Mimicry, Subjective Reality,
  • and All Magus will get Unconventional Resistance Power Mimicry??
 
neutral to probability manipulation, I agree with subjective reality and power mimicry, but why unconventional resistance? From what I can see, it just looks like a layer of resistance
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
why you "neutral for Probability Manipulation"?
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because I don't know if this kind of statement is enough I've seen many statements about "make the impossible possible" used metaphorically and I don't really see what probability they are altering in this scan
 
Peak said:
because I don't know if this kind of statement is enough I've seen many statements about "make the impossible possible" used metaphorically and I don't really see what probability they are altering in this scan
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I have already explained that in Trinity Seven it is impossible to copy another Magus's magic, but Arata can make the impossible possible, in which case he can copy another Magus's magic.
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
I have already explained that in Trinity Seven it is impossible to copy another Magus's magic, but Arata can make the impossible possible, in which case he can copy another Magus's magic.
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In that case fine, but why do all demon lords get probability manipulation when only Arata did it?
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
I have already explained that in Trinity Seven it is impossible to copy another Magus's magic, but Arata can make the impossible possible, in which case he can copy another Magus's magic.
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If this the case then i hard disagree with Probability manip, since this is just Magus normally resistance to Power Mimicry which try to copy their power, Arata on the other hand being Demon Lord capable of copy all magus's magic. Making impossible possible here is purely metaphor and sematic.

Also i did watch this series for a time, so iirc each Magus can only using one type of magic, which make them can't copy other magic, an unique mechanic of this verse, with the exception of Demon Lord, or Magic King which like the name implying allow them to use all magic. So there resistance to power mimicry is just because the verse is unique in it system, not character inherent power. However i dropped the verse long ago so things could change
 
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Vietthai96 said:
If this the case then i hard disagree with Probability manip, since this is just Magus normally resistance to Power Mimicry which try to copy their power, Arata on the other hand being Demon Lord capable of copy all magus's magic. Making impossible possibly here is purely metaphor and sematic.

Also i did watch this series for a time, so iirc Magus using their own type of magic, which other magus can't copy is because of the unique mechanic of this verse, with the exception of Demon Lord, or Magic King which like the name implying allow them to use all magic. So there resistance to power mimicry is just because the verse is unique in it system, not character inherent power. However i dropped the verse long ago so things could change
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This makes sense, it really can only be looked at as a verse mechanics
 
I disagree with Probability manipulation, from Vietthai96's points, without more context.
The rest seems fine.
 
Vietthai96 said:
If this the case then i hard disagree with Probability manip, since this is just Magus normally resistance to Power Mimicry which try to copy their power, Arata on the other hand being Demon Lord capable of copy all magus's magic. Making impossible possible here is purely metaphor and sematic.
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No, Arata cannot use all the magic of other magus, he can only use the magic of other magus if he already has the archives owned by the other magus.
Well, in this case Arata doesn't have Lilith's Archives at all, which means Arata shouldn't be able to copy the magic.

However, we are told that the King of Magic can make the impossible, possible.
Therefore, magic that should not be possible to copy, Arata can make it possible.
 
I agree to Probability Manipulation but for subjective Reality and power mimicry, I don't agree with subjective reality because making with thoughts will only get creation while the condition is to make something unreal into reality.
 
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Rizkykarbit said:
I agree for Probality Manipulation but for subjective Reality and power mimicry, I don't agree with subjective Reality because making with the mind will only get creation while the condition is to make something that is not real become real.

It allows the user to push reality into what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bring them into being, as well as turn facts, entities and events into unreal, disappearing them as if they were dreams or illusion s.
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Antvasima said:
What Elizhaa accepted here is probably fine to apply.

@IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 @Liger686

What do you think?
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I severely disagree with Probability Manipulation since the phrase, "make the impossible possible" is just flowery hyperbolic language that even modern day media uses.

I do agree with Power Mimicry as Arata has shown he can manipulate his Grimoire to imitate (and even improve upon) the different Magic Fields. However, this is limited to magical abilities or energy based abilities.

Also, I don't agree with "Subjective Reality", he's just creating something out of magic.

And for resistance to power mimicry, this isn't really true. It's just in-verse mechanics that prevent Magus from performing Magic outside their their type. Only Demon Kings and Candidates can do so.
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I severely disagree with Probability Manipulation since the phrase, "make the impossible possible" is just flowery hyperbolic language that even modern day media uses.

I do agree with Power Mimicry as Arata has shown he can manipulate his Grimoire to imitate (and even improve upon) the different Magic Fields. However, this is limited to magical abilities or energy based abilities.

Also, I don't agree with "Subjective Reality", he's just creating something out of magic.

And for resistance to power mimicry, this isn't really true. It's just in-verse mechanics that prevent Magus from performing Magic outside their their type. Only Demon Kings and Candidates can do so.
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No, it has been shown that Arata can make the impossible possible, and also. Demon lords can't copy someone's magic
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
No, it has been shown that Arata can make the impossible possible, and also. Demon lords can't copy someone's magic
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the demonstration for the phrase "make the impossible possible" is related to power mimicry isn't it? This is probably a denial of resistance to mimicry
 
The thing is, even if i give this the benefit of doubt, what contexts behind making impossible possible. You interpreting it as Probability Manip, but i can interpreting it as just a hypebole, flowery language, a common way of saying a character can do feat that not possible for others character, it is a common practice in hyping main character power. So do you have any supporting contexts to contest against my interpretation???
 
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
I severely disagree with Probability Manipulation since the phrase, "make the impossible possible" is just flowery hyperbolic language that even modern day media uses.

I do agree with Power Mimicry as Arata has shown he can manipulate his Grimoire to imitate (and even improve upon) the different Magic Fields. However, this is limited to magical abilities or energy based abilities.

Also, I don't agree with "Subjective Reality", he's just creating something out of magic.

And for resistance to power mimicry, this isn't really true. It's just in-verse mechanics that prevent Magus from performing Magic outside their their type. Only Demon Kings and Candidates can do so.
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Vietthai96 said:
The thing is, even if i give this the benefit of doubt, what contexts behind making impossible possible. You interpreting it as Probability Manip, but i can interpreting it as just a hypebole, flowery language, a common way of saying a character can do feat that not possible for others character, it is a common practice in hyping main character power. So do you have any supporting contexts to contest against my interpretation???
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This seems to make sense to me so far.
 
vsbattles.fandom.com

Probability Manipulation

The ability to alter probability, allowing one to make the unlikely more likely to occur, and vice versa. This can take effect in a variety of different ways; it may appear as just supernatural luck, or can be more actively used for defense to make attacks inexplicably miss - and in the same...
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Based on the ability description, I'm leaning against probability manipulation.
 
Okay. That suggestion seems to have been rejected then. Thank you for helping out.
 
Sorry, I've been busy with school in Real Life lately, so I wasn't active on this wiki before.

Firestorm808 said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Probability Manipulation

The ability to alter probability, allowing one to make the unlikely more likely to occur, and vice versa. This can take effect in a variety of different ways; it may appear as just supernatural luck, or can be more actively used for defense to make attacks inexplicably miss - and in the same...
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Based on the ability description, I'm leaning against probability manipulation.
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In the Probability Page, it is explained that Probability Manipulation is making the impossible possible.

This is in context with what I gave, that Demon Lords can make the impossible possible, such as Arata who can copy his Trinity Seven's magic, and in Trinity Seven copying magic is very unlikely.
Vietthai96 said:
The thing is, even if i give this the benefit of doubt, what contexts behind making impossible possible. You interpreting it as Probability Manip, but i can interpreting it as just a hypebole, flowery language, a common way of saying a character can do feat that not possible for others character, it is a common practice in hyping main character power. So do you have any supporting contexts to contest against my interpretation???
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I have no context anymore, that's all I have.
 
Rendynoc0unter said:
In the Probability Page, it is explained that Probability Manipulation is making the impossible possible.

This is in context with what I gave, that Demon Lords can make the impossible possible, such as Arata who can copy his Trinity Seven's magic, and in Trinity Seven copying magic is very unlikely.
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It seems more like the flowery language of defying the standards of magic than changing probability percentages.
 
Antvasima said:
No problem at all.
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Hello Ant, I'm here to update Arata's profile such as adding Ability tabbers.

<tabber>
|-|Powers=

{{#tag:tabber|
Candidate Demon Lord=[[Superhuman Physical Characteristics]], [[Magic]] ([ Magic is the very power to stay in existence and the primary source of power for Mages]), [[Immortality]] (Type 1: Maguses with [ strong magic stop aging at the optimum age], gaining eternal youth and immortality), [[Acausality]] (Type 4: As long as humans live in the human world, they will be bound by the [ "World Principle"], But [ they opposed the principles] of the world and learned Magic, They study supernatural phenomena that are [ outside the laws of the world] And, they are [https://imgur.com/a/Oy3PeRn no longer bound] by the physical laws of the world), [[Power Nullification]] (Arata can nullify Trinity Seven), [[Regeneration]] (At least Low-Mid; can use Akio's [[Healing|healing magic]] and survived being submersed up to the waist in a bubble of Vanitas that consumes anything it touches and erases it from existence), [[Dream Manipulation|Dream-Sharing]], [[Transmutation]], [[Teleportation]] (With Chrono Calculation [https://imgur.com/a/ajhYuGkajhYuGk Arata can perform teleportation]), [[Spatial Manipulation]], [[Time Stop]] (With Logos Art, [https://imgur.com/a/pEIGS2p Arata can perform Time Stop]), [[Status Effect Inducement|Binding Magic]], [[Absorption|Energy Draining]], [[Energy Projection]] via Mantra Enchantment and Outer Alchemic, [[Possession]], Can travel between dimensions, [[Power Mimicry|Can analyze, deconstruct, and copy other people's magic]], Can combine different spells together using Judecca, [[Matter Manipulation|Can manipulate and destroy matter at the atomic or subatomic level through Outer Alchemic and Breakdown Phenomena]], [[Cloth Manipulation]] ([https://imgur.com/a/SiahT5F A Magus will make a different cloth if they want to use their Magus Mode]), Greater [[Deconstruction]], [[Gravity Manipulation]], Greater [[Absorption]], Greater [[BFR]], [[Void Manipulation]], [[Soul Manipulation]] (Via Breakdown Phenenon: A person who is hit by the Breakdown Phenomenon, [https://imgur.com/a/qdAdBjw he will turn into Particles and will be absorbed into the Black Sun, the Breakdown Phenomenon can cause very high Gravity, if a person has been absorbed into the Black Sun then his consciousness will remain in the void] Someone who has weak magic, [https://imgur.com/a/dBxbH6a they will be affected] by the Breakdown Phenomenon, [https://imgur.com/a/I9sd2nB but Hijiri who is a High-Level/Ranking Magus], is still [https://imgur.com/a/qdAdBjw affected by the Breakdown Phenomenon]), [[Information Manipulation]] (Type 2: [https://imgur.com/a/KB3VyI6 Magic is a fundamental aspect of Magus], because Magic is what makes Magus exist in the world, and [https://imgur.com/a/stBeceU Magic is also related to Thema, because with Thema you can control your Magic and also Thema is related to Archive]. The Grimoire also [https://imgur.com/a/01NJ76Q contains information from other worlds]. information such as Thema is in the Grimoire. With the World Reconstruction, [https://imgur.com/a/1VB2A8H Grimoire can change Arata's information] about the city destroyed by Arata, [https://imgur.com/a/ZbT4KWK which at that time should have been destroyed], but when Lilith came, there was still a city standing that should have been destroyed, [https://imgur.com/a/r3Jklgp All Demon Lords] can use the World Reconstruction ability).

{{!}}-{{!}}
Demon Lord=All previous powers in addition to [[Creation]], [[Spatial Manipulation|Space]]-[[Time Manipulation]] (Can [https://imgur.com/a/8NVwawp destroy Space-Time] and also [https://imgur.com/a/omOQayw create] multiple Space-Times), [[Immortality]] (Types 4 & 6: Magic is what keeps a person alive, if he didn't have magic, he would probably die, disappear, and lose control. Arata's magic is forcibly absorbed which makes Arata die, and also Arata can come back to life), [[Self-Sustenance]] (Type 1: Magus can exist in nothingness without any difficulty in breathing), [[Incorporeality]], [[Time Manipulation|Time Reversal]] (Can restore the state of things to what they were a few minutes ago within an area the size of an arena; this does not affect memories).

{{!}}-{{!}}
Great Demon Lord=All previous powers in addition [[Acausality]] (Higher Degree of Type 4: The Demon Lord is bound by the Fate of the World (Karma system), Karma system is a higher causality, Arata controls that Fate and is detached from it).

{{!}}-{{!}}
Grimoire=[[Danmaku]] (Sora can fire [https://imgur.com/a/pR5G56A many attack shots] at the target), [[Sealing]], [[Absorption]] ([https://imgur.com/a/3krhSaN Ilya Can seal Sora and absorb Sora's magic]), [[Portal Creation]] [[Negation]], [[BFR]], [[Pocket Reality Manipulation]], [[Power Nullification]], [[Time Stop]] ([https://imgur.com/a/1dbzVYZ When Arata and the others wanted to teleport to Hijiri's school], something interrupted their teleportation, and when they successfully teleported, Arata was sent to Ilya's Pocket Dimension, Ilya has a "World" that is in another dimension. And in that world there are monsters, magic is also forbidden in that world and also in this world Space and Time are frozen), [[Light Manipulation]] ([https://gyazo.com/7aae1ef0262f9730644660a53534a7c5 Astil manuscript or Sora can make a light]), [[Telepathy]],
}}

|-|Resistance=
{{#tag:tabber|
Arata Kasuga= [[Resistance]] to Greater [[Deconstruction]], Greater [[Absorption]], [[Gravity Manipulation]], Greater [[BFR]], [[Fear Manipulation]] (Someone whose magic is weak, they will be [https://imgur.com/a/dBxbH6a affected] by the Breakdown Phenomenon, which means the person with strong magic will gain Breakdown Phenomenon resistance).

{{!}}-{{!}}
Grimoire= [[Resistance]] to Greater [[Deconstruction]], Greater [[Absorption]], [[Gravity Manipulation]], Greater [[BFR]], [[Fear Manipulation]] (Someone whose magic is weak, they will be [https://imgur.com/a/dBxbH6a affected] by the Breakdown Phenomenon, which means the person with strong magic will gain Breakdown Phenomenon resistance), [[Time Stop]] (Still able to move freely in Ilya's pocket dimension where [https://imgur.com/a/r9lKYaz Space and time] are frozen)
}}

</tabber>
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Some Abilities I have moved according to the key, then Space-Time Manipulation has also been accepted, because it has been applied in Attack Potency.

What do you think?
 
Thank you for the replies. That seems fine to apply then.
 
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