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Trinity seven Revision — Gods Love Change!

Is this immutable because God transcend causal system?. Because simply being immutable, unchanging isn't enough for Aca 5. Immutable, unchanging is a broad word, it could mean and be used in a lot of scenarios, not exclusively for Aca 5 immutable. You could say a guy with eternal youth, unchanging appearance an immutable existence and obviously that dude isn't an aca 5 guy
 
Is this immutable because God transcend causal system?. Because simply being immutable, unchanging isn't enough for Aca 5. Immutable, unchanging is a broad word, it could mean and be used in a lot of scenarios, not exclusively for Aca 5 immutable. You could say a guy with eternal youth, unchanging appearance an immutable existence and obviously that dude isn't an aca 5 guy
Yes. They are immutable in their existence in every way because of what they are, and their existence itself does not participate in causality. Their existence is unaffected by everything to beings that cannot interact with them. The example you gave doesn't really work since they aren't physical beings. So the argument is that their changeless existence would include causality as one of the things it transcends.
 
You could say a guy with eternal youth, unchanging appearance an immutable existence
I don’t see how those examples really translate to existential or ontological immutability. I don’t see how appearance equals a being’s existence. Something can look unchanging while still changing internally or fundamentally in existence. The same goes for the eternal youth part; it doesn’t translate to ontology like it does in my scans, so it’s a category error.
 
I don’t see how those examples really translate to existential or ontological immutability. I don’t see how appearance equals a being’s existence. Something can look unchanging while still changing internally or fundamentally in existence. The same goes for the eternal youth part; it doesn’t translate to ontology like it does in my scans, so it’s a category error.
So a concept normally should be unchanging, immutable; an obvious thing. Or are you suggest that concept constantly changing??, that mean everything that under the concepts should changing over time as well.

Anyway as i have said before, Aca 5 isn't just being immutable, unchanging, you need to be immutable due to transcending/beyond causality altogether. That is all
 
So a concept normally should be unchanging, immutable; an obvious thing. Or are you suggest that concept constantly changing??, that mean everything that under the concepts should changing over time as well.
Bruh, what are you even talking about? That's a huge NLF. You're just assuming that concepts are immutable by default as a universal rule. If you were talking about Platonic Forms, then sure, but not concepts in general, especially concepts in fiction. A concept isn't automatically changeless or immutable in its existence by default. That's like saying a concept is independent by default, or that it can't be manipulated, or assigning it any other property of that nature, it simply doesn't follow.
Anyway as i have said before, Aca 5 isn't just being immutable, unchanging, you need to be immutable due to transcending/beyond causality altogether. That is all
I’ve already made it clear that I’m not talking about vague immutability, but immutability in existence, with evidence that said existence transcends or does not participate in causality. Causality is a type of change, so something that is immutable in its being can include causality with context.

So are you saying that, in order to argue for ACA 5, for you, you need a direct statement saying the character transcends causality; as such, their very existence is immutable, instead of relying on evidence that already supports that implication? Because by that logic, wouldn’t most ACA-type 5 characters lose their classification if they don’t have an explicit statement like that?
 
So a concept normally should be unchanging, immutable; an obvious thing. Or are you suggest that concept constantly changing??, that mean everything that under the concepts should changing over time as well.

Anyway as i have said before, Aca 5 isn't just being immutable, unchanging, you need to be immutable due to transcending/beyond causality altogether. That is all
U-uhm… like, you are saying some weird shi like being more Immutable (whatever this can imply) or…

"Transcending immutability into more Ac5 Immutability" is a thing I guess bro.
 
"Concept by default should be immutable"

They are not. For similar reason we never give concepts Ac5 unless proven otherwise. If concepts by default would be immutable, wiki wouldn't even have concept alteration or even manipulation general as ability. Obviously you have in metaphysics Neoplatonistic, Platonistic Forms that are eternal and unchanging, but that doesn't apply to Fictitious Concepts by default.
 
So a concept normally should be unchanging, immutable; an obvious thing. Or are you suggest that concept constantly changing??, that mean everything that under the concepts should changing over time as well.

Anyway as i have said before, Aca 5 isn't just being immutable, unchanging, you need to be immutable due to transcending/beyond causality altogether. That is all
I felt like the need to elaborate since just ratioing is very rude.

No, actually, there are plenty of different models that FUNNILY ENOUGH tell us otherwise (aside from Platonism and later Neoplatonism or things that remained faithful to it), for example in Hegel's dialectics concepts aren't static; they're moments in a self-developing process. "Being" and "Nothing" generate "Becoming" through internal contradiction (no it is not thesis and antithesis into synthesis, you are describing a thesis with a external antithesis in that case). Abstraction here has a history (like all things) instead of just instances.

Another example is Whitehead where even "eternal objects" (his stand-in for universals) only become actual through "ingression" into concrete events, and which ones matter, how they combine, shifts as actuality itself develops. Nothing abstract sits outside becoming entirely.

Even in modal structuralism with growing block models you see such a cases. New relations become real as new structures are actualized or even just consistently describable. Independent of instances, not independent of time.

Concepts can be ontologically prior to and independent of particulars/instances yet not holding atemporal/eternal commitment of Forms.
 
I think peple don't even understand what i mean but whatever


So are you saying that, in order to argue for ACA 5, for you, you need a direct statement saying the character transcends causality; as such, their very existence is immutable, instead of relying on evidence that already supports that implication? Because by that logic, wouldn’t most ACA-type 5 characters lose their classification if they don’t have an explicit statement like that?
You don't need direct thing, just evidence that God is immutable due to transcending, beyond causality or whatever similar

As i have said, you can have thing that is unchaging and not even related to causality
 
I think peple don't even understand what i mean but whatever



You don't need direct thing, just evidence that God is immutable due to transcending, beyond causality or whatever similar

As i have said, you can have thing that is unchaging and not even related to causality
We already know that not all forms of immutability qualify for ACA Type 5. It’s just that the examples you used were not good for explaining it. We know ACA Type 5 requires both “beyond causality” and “unchangeable existence” to be linked, meaning they refer to the same ontological level. The immutability of Gods in T7 is tied to their supreme existence, which is basically a level above everything in the verse, which includes causality.
 
We already know that not all forms of immutability qualify for ACA Type 5. It’s just that the examples you used were not good for explaining it. We know ACA Type 5 requires both “beyond causality” and “unchangeable existence” to be linked, meaning they refer to the same ontological level. The immutability of Gods in T7 is tied to their supreme existence, which is basically a level above everything in the verse, which includes causality.
Can i see the scan about above everything including causality in the verse, i'm fine with the immutable scan, my gripe is the beyond causality thing
 
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