TRICKY THE CLOWN (MADNESS COMBAT) CRT

[DanTheEyeMan01]

Here goes nothing.

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Limited Fourth Wall Awareness:​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Looks towards the camera, poses and smiles.

Weapon Control + Weapon Creation:​

should be added to | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Demonstration

(Potentially) Pain Manipulation:​

should be added to | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: 0:00 - 0:35 (text on the screen. slow down vid to see it)

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Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: Evidence 1 Evidence 2 Evidence 3 (both support the fact that tricky whilst still having dissonance energy inside of him didn't affect his ability to use his powers and was his first source of power before being connected with the infinite improbable. Also this bit here is referring to tricky having the necessary access to dissonance based moves which covers the abilities above.)

Resistance to Reality warping + Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: (For resistance to reality warping it's related to why his final key has resistance to reality warping, the halo uses dissonance energy which it itself warps reality, which tricky is unaffected by. For the rests its the same with the above)

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Resistance to Mind Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Click me (The Machine is a powerful entity in madness combat that shares a bond/mental link with everyone in nevada and controls them through it. The exception being tricky and the creator of the machine)

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Acausality (Type 1):​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Implied that temporal changes don't affect anyone in madness on a full timeline scale (might post smth about neveadean physiology cause of this)

Now that we're done with that.


In one of the animations it's been shown the sun being affected by the improbability drives (the one the sheriff activated). And we know that tricky himself has a portable improb drive somewhere in his head that allows him to warp reality and probability etc etc. However it's actually been mentioned that tricky still retains his connection of the infinite improbable (what the improb drives uses to **** with reality and such) to his S-3LF (soul) even though he had his PID (portable improb drive) shot in MC7 by Jebus. Therefore with him having access beyond the limitations of his drive and with the actual infinite improbable I'm requesting some other changes.

Oh yeah sources:

Source 1: Click me (quick update: curiouscat is buggy for me but idk if it is for others so imma provide an alt source that is hopefully satisfying enough) it just mentions that after Jebus shot the PID it only stunned tricky and he never lost his powers. Believe me or not up to you.
Source 2: Mentions his a being of improbability (9.5 takes place after 7. So it wouldn't make sense for Krinkles to mention tricky being a creature of improbability if he lost that trait with y'know the improv drive)

Tier 4-C with Improbability:
should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: The sun doing the funky and the sentence above this.

From trickys profile:
"Portable Improbability Drive: With the device, Tricky is capable of bending and breaking reality to suit his own needs. While his degree of proficiency over it is unknown, he has used it to resurrect himself and render his deaths as 'INVALID', as well as call upon buildings full of agents and a train."
"The Higher Powers: The Higher Powers are a supernatural medium that look over Tricky, finding earth conflict amusing being the cause of Tricky's constant resurrection."

Actually tricky was capable of bending reality (to a lesser degree) before the improbability drive was forced into his head. Dissonance energy being what he wielded ever since dawning his clown identity. So that information is outdated (info below).

And the higher powers one just conflicts itself. After MC3 all the revivals towards trickys was done by himself.

Source for my first point (the thing about the portable improb drive):





https://youtu.be/_ke1quaNB1c (the grunt you see is tricky before becoming... well tricky, the purple or pink thing in the syringe is dissonance energy but some specialized version)

This should be it for now? I was planning on pushing for more and maybe working on a key for tricky in the other place but blehhh.

If you don't know what dissonance energy is check trickys/jebus profiles and click on links that redirect to imgur giving a quick explanation on what it is.

Also I wanna add this here because why not:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedGlutenFreeGoldfishBigBrother-ZwJTCqDprPkW1vtO (merely minutes after getting his improb drive activated his mere actions already ****** with the sky)

Agree: @Employe, @y3p_owo, @Sinpokefan,

Disagree: @Comiphorous,

 

[Comiphorous]

i'll write on this later, some of this i don't agree with.

 

[Employe]

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Here goes nothing.

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Breaking the Fourth Wall:​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Looks towards the camera, poses and smiles.

Weapon Control + Weapon Creation:​

should be added to | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Demonstration

Pain Manipulation:​

should be added to | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: 0:00 - 0:35 (text on the screen. slow down vid to see it)

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Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: Evidence 1 Evidence 2 Evidence 3 (both support the fact that tricky whilst still having dissonance energy inside of him didn't affect his ability to use his powers and was his first source of power before being connected with the infinite improbable)

Resistance to Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: (Same with the above)

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Acausality (Type 1):​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Implied that temporal changes don't affect anyone in madness on a full timeline scale (might post smth about neveadean physiology cause of this)

Now that we're done with that.


In one of the animations it's been shown the sun being affected by the improbability drives (the one the sheriff activated). And we know that tricky himself has a portable improb drive somewhere in his head that allows him to warp reality and probability etc etc. However it's actually been mentioned that tricky still retains his connection of the infinite improbable (what the improb drives uses to **** with reality and such) to his S-3LF (soul) even though he had his PID (portable improb drive) shot in MC7 by Jebus. Therefore with him having access beyond the limitations of his drive and with the actual infinite improbable I'm requesting some other changes.

Oh yeah sources:

Source 1: Click me (quick update: curiouscat is buggy for me but idk if it is for others so imma provide an alt source that is hopefully satisfying enough)
Source 2: Mentions his a being of improbability (9.5 takes place after 7. So it wouldn't make sense for Krinkles to mention tricky being a creature of improbability if he lost that trait with y'know the improv drive)

Tier 4-C or High 4-C:
should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: The sun doing the funky and the sentence above this.

From trickys profile:
"Portable Improbability Drive: With the device, Tricky is capable of bending and breaking reality to suit his own needs. While his degree of proficiency over it is unknown, he has used it to resurrect himself and render his deaths as 'INVALID', as well as call upon buildings full of agents and a train."
"The Higher Powers: The Higher Powers are a supernatural medium that look over Tricky, finding earth conflict amusing being the cause of Tricky's constant resurrection."

Actually tricky was capable of bending reality (to a lesser degree) before the improbability drive was forced into his head. Dissonance energy being what he wielded ever since dawning his clown identity. So that information is outdated (info below).

And the higher powers one just conflicts itself. After MC3 all the revivals towards trickys was done by himself.

Source for my first point (the thing about the portable improb drive):





https://youtu.be/_ke1quaNB1c (the grunt you see is tricky before becoming... well tricky, the purple or pink thing in the syringe is dissonance energy but some specialized version)

This should be it for now? I was planning on pushing for more and maybe working on a key for tricky in the other place but blehhh.

If you don't know what dissonance energy is check trickys/jebus profiles and click on links that redirect to imgur giving a quick explanation on what it is.

Also I wanna add this here because why not:
https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedGlutenFreeGoldfishBigBrother-ZwJTCqDprPkW1vtO (merely minutes after getting his improb drive activated his mere actions already ****** with the sky)

Agree:

Disagree:

Affecting sun is only 4-C. Disagree with fourth wall awareness, it is not looks like fourth wall breaking

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

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Affecting sun is only 4-C. Disagree with fourth wall awareness, it is not looks like fourth wall breaking

It looks like the clown showed an awareness towards the non-existent camera (youtube video) and smiled towards us. How is that not fourth wall awareness?

I mean it'd be very out of place for tricky to do such a thing at the exact moment we get a close up view of him.

He also did it again (in a non-canon incident) at the end of a video. Soooo yeah.

I agree with the 4-C thing but I wanna see if others have anything else to add about it.

 

[Employe]

He also did it again (in a non-canon incident) at the end of a video. Soooo yeah.

oh, he also did it in MC 5 in the end. Agree then

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

oh, he also did it in MC 5 in the end. Agree then

I'll add your agreement.

Also just to play safe I'll remove high 4-C and only keep 4-C.

 

[Employe]

It looks like the clown showed an awareness towards the non-existent camera (youtube video) and smiled towards us. How is that not fourth wall awareness?

I mean it'd be very out of place for tricky to do such a thing at the exact moment we get a close up view of him.

He also did it again (in a non-canon incident) at the end of a video. Soooo yeah.

I agree with the 4-C thing but I wanna see if others have anything else to add about it.

Btw, I think we must change Tricky's IQ from Genius to Extraordinary Genius

 

[Employe]

I agree with CRT

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

Btw, I think we must change Tricky's IQ from Genius to Extraordinary Genius

One step at a time.

 

[Comiphorous]

Breaking the Fourth Wall:​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Looks towards the camera, poses and smiles.

No. thats just the intro to the episode.

Weapon Control + Weapon Creation:​

should be added to | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Demonstration

link specifically where in the episode. although, im planning to remake the entire Post-Auditor Absorption key because it kinda sucks.

Pain Manipulation:​

should be added to | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: 0:00 - 0:35 (text on the screen. slow down vid to see it)

Not enough context. thats likely just tricky talking, not the ID actually inflicting pain onto Hank.

Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: Evidence 1 Evidence 2 Evidence 3 (both support the fact that tricky whilst still having dissonance energy inside of him didn't affect his ability to use his powers and was his first source of power before being connected with the infinite improbable)

Resistance to Power Nullification + Radiation Manipulation + Madness Manipulation (Type 2) + Matter Manipulation​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Source: (Same with the above)

Agree with resistance. he's being affected by dissonance like Jeb, but is simply unaffected by it. that's a resistance.

the powers being listed as if he can use them doesn't make sense, disagree.

Acausality (Type 1):​

should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: Implied that temporal changes don't affect anyone in madness on a full timeline scale (might post smth about neveadean physiology cause of this)

Now that we're done with that.

Thats for nevadean physiology, not just tricky.

In one of the animations it's been shown the sun being affected by the improbability drives (the one the sheriff activated). And we know that tricky himself has a portable improb drive somewhere in his head that allows him to warp reality and probability etc etc. However it's actually been mentioned that tricky still retains his connection of the infinite improbable (what the improb drives uses to **** with reality and such) to his S-3LF (soul) even though he had his PID (portable improb drive) shot in MC7 by Jebus. Therefore with him having access beyond the limitations of his drive and with the actual infinite improbable I'm requesting some other changes.

Oh yeah sources:

Source 1: Click me (quick update: curiouscat is buggy for me but idk if it is for others so imma provide an alt source that is hopefully satisfying enough) it just mentions that after Jebus shot the PID it only stunned tricky and he never lost his powers. Believe me or not up to you.
Source 2: Mentions his a being of improbability (9.5 takes place after 7. So it wouldn't make sense for Krinkles to mention tricky being a creature of improbability if he lost that trait with y'know the improv drive)

Tier 4-C:
should be added to Tricky the clown | Demon form | Post-auditor Absorption Source: The sun doing the funky and the sentence above this.

The drive uses Hax to do that, so it wouldn't get a tier from that.

From trickys profile:
"Portable Improbability Drive: With the device, Tricky is capable of bending and breaking reality to suit his own needs. While his degree of proficiency over it is unknown, he has used it to resurrect himself and render his deaths as 'INVALID', as well as call upon buildings full of agents and a train."
"The Higher Powers: The Higher Powers are a supernatural medium that look over Tricky, finding earth conflict amusing being the cause of Tricky's constant resurrection."

Actually tricky was capable of bending reality (to a lesser degree) before the improbability drive was forced into his head. Dissonance energy being what he wielded ever since dawning his clown identity. So that information is outdated (info below).

And the higher powers one just conflicts itself. After MC3 all the revivals towards trickys was done by himself.

Source for my first point (the thing about the portable improb drive):





https://youtu.be/_ke1quaNB1c (the grunt you see is tricky before becoming... well tricky, the purple or pink thing in the syringe is dissonance energy but some specialized version)

Hofnarr refused to weaponize dissonance, so he could NOT bend reality before then, he literally says he never wanted to. so no.

After MC3, he doesn't resurrect himself at all, he either survives, or is resurrected from outside sources like the auditor, although the higher powers have shown they're willing to resurrect him far more than anyone else.

 

[Employe]

No. thats just the intro to the episode.



The drive uses Hax to do that, so it wouldn't get a tier from that.


After MC3, he doesn't resurrect himself at all, he either survives, or is resurrected from outside sources like the auditor, although the higher powers have shown they're willing to resurrect him far more than anyone else.

1. He did same thing in the end of episode 5
2. And? Why we can't just add something like "Ups to 4-C via Reality warping", since it is actually true
3. He did it in Episode 6 (Remember the end?), also in 9.5 and 11

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

No. thats just the intro to the episode.

link specifically where in the episode. although, im planning to remake the entire Post-Auditor Absorption key because it kinda sucks.

Not enough context. thats likely just tricky talking, not the ID actually inflicting pain onto Hank.

Agree with resistance. he's being affected by dissonance like Jeb, but is simply unaffected by it. that's a resistance.

the powers being listed as if he can use them doesn't make sense, disagree.

Thats for nevadean physiology, not just tricky.

The drive uses Hax to do that, so it wouldn't get a tier from that.

Hofnarr refused to weaponize dissonance, so he could NOT bend reality before then, he literally says he never wanted to. so no.

After MC3, he doesn't resurrect himself at all, he either survives, or is resurrected from outside sources like the auditor, although the higher powers have shown they're willing to resurrect him far more than anyone else.

"No. thats just the intro to the episode."

Fixed it. Re-check it.

"link specifically where in the episode. although, im planning to remake the entire Post-Auditor Absorption key because it kinda sucks."

Fixed too.

"Not enough context. thats likely just tricky talking, not the ID actually inflicting pain onto Hank."

It mentions smth like "Pain > Maximum threshold" idk how someone says ">" but ill leave that open for discussion.

"Agree with resistance. he's being affected by dissonance like Jeb, but is simply unaffected by it. that's a resistance."

"the powers being listed as if he can use them doesn't make sense, disagree."

Trickys powers to bend reality (minor), teleport, etc actually derived from him being exposed to dissonance energy to begin with. It's also implied by krinkles that both crackpot and tricky have their powers due to the exposure and even then he mentions tricky can use it to a better degree than crackpot. He also stated that hoffnar 'indulged' in dissonance so yeah... And since dissonance energy is the base for trickys starter powers it'd make sense he would be able to utilize it's other aspects as well (just because he hasn't/doesn't want to does not mean he can't.)

"Thats for nevadean physiology, not just tricky."

I know but this is a CRT for tricky. Hence why I mentioned the neveadean physiology page, regardless this applies to everyone in Madcom so it counts for him too.

"The drive uses Hax to do that, so it wouldn't get a tier from that."

Wha? The improb drive utilizes the infinite improbable to manipulate/warp Nevada/The Occurant in a desired or chaotic way (as shown by the auditor) Tricky now has unrestricted access to the very thing that the improb drive use as source since it is part of his S-3LF. Combine the logic of the improb drives ability to screw with the sun and tricky having access to the very same thing for the feat since his beyond the PID then boom we get 4-C scaling thanks to reality warping shenanigans.

"Hofnarr refused to weaponize dissonance, so he could NOT bend reality before then, he literally says he never wanted to. so no."

That may have been his stance long before but we all know he was still being slowly poisoned by dissonance radiation due to being forced to work in close proximity with it, indulging in it, and even needing to use the syringe (in keeplooking.mp4) to act as a stabilizing agent for his glitchiness (or whatever you wanna call it). Also I'm mainly talking about MPN tricky not Hoffnar. And one of the vid directly confirms he warps reality because of dissonance and the machine hates him for it.

"After MC3, he doesn't resurrect himself at all, he either survives, or is resurrected from outside sources like the auditor."

Not true? Tbh the appearances or relevancy of the higher powers haven't really been shown or mentioned that much as of recently. In 9.5 the mf like kept spamming that resurrect button over and over, he didn't even care if hank got the hit on him he was mainly ******* around in the other place, the only indication (that I know of) with the higher powers being involved was that one moment in MC7 when antipathy hank becomes consternation hank via that lightning strike on him. I don't even know if it is the higher powers since tricky himself could've just done it too since he wanted hank to keep fighting. And you do realize that it's confirmed by krinkles that the auditor hates tricky because whatever the machine hates the auditor also hates and the machine hates tricky. And the auditors manifestation was the need for peace/order in nevada. Just like how stygian is the need for death.

 

[Comiphorous]

"No. thats just the intro to the episode."

Fixed it. Re-check it.

looking at the camera isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness.

"link specifically where in the episode. although, im planning to remake the entire Post-Auditor Absorption key because it kinda sucks."

Fixed too.

Weapon creation is fine.

"Not enough context. thats likely just tricky talking, not the ID actually inflicting pain onto Hank."

It mentions smth like "Pain > Maximum threshold" idk how someone says ">" but ill leave that open for discussion.

Tricky saying '>' isn't that bad, considering his speech patterns are rambling or very close to online abbreviated blabbering.

"The drive uses Hax to do that, so it wouldn't get a tier from that."

Wha? The improb drive utilizes the infinite improbable to manipulate/warp Nevada/The Occurant in a desired or chaotic way (as shown by the auditor) Tricky now has unrestricted access to the very thing that the improb drive use as source since it is part of his S-3LF. Combine the logic of the improb drives ability to screw with the sun and tricky having access to the very same thing for the feat since his beyond the PID then boom we get 4-C scaling thanks to reality warping shenanigans.

Literally none of that gives it any reason to scale to messing with the sun. still disagree. it wasn't a creation feat, the ID simply molded an already existing star into a person. that's transmutation.

"Hofnarr refused to weaponize dissonance, so he could NOT bend reality before then, he literally says he never wanted to. so no."

That may have been his stance long before but we all know he was still being slowly poisoned by dissonance radiation due to being forced to work in close proximity with it, indulging in it, and even needing to use the syringe (in keeplooking.mp4) to act as a stabilizing agent for his glitchiness (or whatever you wanna call it). Also I'm mainly talking about MPN tricky not Hoffnar. And one of the vid directly confirms he warps reality because of dissonance and the machine hates him for it.

keeplooking.mp4 takes place a little before MC3, as at that point he's addicted to watching slaughter time. the dude was literally days (at the very most) before taking up his clown persona. he had the ID, no kidding he was becoming unstable.

"After MC3, he doesn't resurrect himself at all, he either survives, or is resurrected from outside sources like the auditor."

Not true? Tbh the appearances or relevancy of the higher powers haven't really been shown or mentioned that much as of recently. In 9.5 the mf like kept spamming that resurrect button over and over, he didn't even care if hank got the hit on him he was mainly ******* around in the other place, the only indication (that I know of) with the higher powers being involved was that one moment in MC7 when antipathy hank becomes consternation hank via that lightning strike on him. I don't even know if it is the higher powers since tricky himself could've just done it too since he wanted hank to keep fighting. And you do realize that it's confirmed by krinkles that the auditor hates tricky because whatever the machine hates the auditor also hates and the machine hates tricky. And the auditors manifestation was the need for peace/order in nevada. Just like how stygian is the need for death.

Using 9.5, where thats literally all of S-3LFs, not him, fighting, isn't good proof to say he doesn't use the higher powers. MC7 was the higher powers resurrecting him, not tricky. tricky shoots lightning from his hand to resurrect people, not the sky. The Auditor's opinion on tricky means jack shit to scaling.

 

[Employe]

Literally none of that gives it any reason to scale to messing with the sun. still disagree. it wasn't a creation feat, the ID simply molded an already existing star into a person. that's transmutation.

Why so? It is shows capabilities to affect Star level structures which is easily 4-C

 

[Comiphorous]

Why so? It is shows capabilities to affect Star level structures which is easily 4-C

We don't know what the drive did to the sun. the sun was turned from a 4-C structure down to a 9-C fodder enemy that hank could kill.

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

"looking at the camera isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness."

He didn't just look, he also posed and smiled towards it. In MPN he specifically tps to where the credits were rolling and started dancing.

"Weapon creation is fine."

Ok

"Tricky saying '>' isn't that bad, considering his speech patterns are rambling or very close to online abbreviated blabbering."

I still think it's related to the drive.

"Literally none of that gives it any reason to scale to messing with the sun. still disagree."

The sheriff I.D uses infinite improbable to change the sun into a gun.

Tricky can use the infinite improbable without the drive.

Aka he can perform the same feat without needing a drive since he can tap into the damn source himself. If you're still feeling big on the disagree then we could go with "possibly 4-C smth smth"

"keeplooking.mp4 takes place a little before MC3, as at that point he's addicted to watching slaughter time. the dude was literally days (at the very most) before taking up his clown persona. he had the ID, no kidding he was becoming unstable."

What... he did NOT have the ID in him. In MC3 and MC4 did you notice tricky shaking at all? Exactly, and when does he start shaking like crazy? MC5. Or potentially MPN which takes place between MC4-MC5 (highly doubt he had ID yet in MPN due to the text that appears on MC5), even then my point about him starting out with dissonance energy still stands.

In another clip Krinkles states he uses the syringe (in keeplooking.mp4) as a stabilizing agent because of the dissonance he works with, how would he use dissonance to counteract improbability? It makes no sense.

"Using 9.5, where thats literally all of S-3LFs, not him, fighting, isn't good proof to say he doesn't use the higher powers. MC7 was the higher powers resurrecting him, not tricky. tricky shoots lightning from his hand to resurrect people, not the sky."

I was using it as an example, in MC5 he directly says you can't kill him and then stands up very fast. No indicator for the higher powers being involved. In MC6 he glows white before rising up the cliff and landing behind hank in his demon form. Once more no indicator for the higher powers. The higher powers are mainly involved with hank rather than tricky from what I've seen. And wdym tricky shoots lightning from his hand to res people??? In MC6 he used telekinesis on hank (the white outline on antipathys body) before hank started moving again. Idk what you're on about.

"The Auditor's opinion on tricky means jack shit to scaling."

I talked about the auditor because your point about auditor reviving him contradicts with whats been stated regarding auditors view on tricky. Legit the clown can res himself, his not relying on big daddy higher powers to carry him 24/7.

 

[Comiphorous]

"looking at the camera isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness."

He didn't just look, he also posed and smiled towards it. In MPN he specifically tps to where the credits were rolling and started dancing.

Cool, still simply stared at the camera in a funny way. dancing during the credits of the game isn't Fourth Wall Awareness.

"Literally none of that gives it any reason to scale to messing with the sun. still disagree."

The sheriff I.D uses infinite improbable to change the sun into a gun.

Tricky can use the infinite improbable without the drive.

Aka he can perform the same feat without needing a drive since he can tap into the damn source himself. If you're still feeling big on the disagree then we could go with "possibly 4-C smth smth"

Not even a possibly rating. none of your proof even implies it should scale to 4-C.

"keeplooking.mp4 takes place a little before MC3, as at that point he's addicted to watching slaughter time. the dude was literally days (at the very most) before taking up his clown persona. he had the ID, no kidding he was becoming unstable."

What... he did NOT have the ID in him. In MC3 and MC4 did you notice tricky shaking at all? Exactly, and when does he start shaking like crazy? MC5. Or potentially MPN which takes place between MC4-MC5 (highly doubt he had ID yet in MPN due to the text that appears on MC5), even then my point about him starting out with dissonance energy still stands.

In another clip Krinkles states he uses the syringe (in keeplooking.mp4) as a stabilizing agent because of the dissonance he works with, how would he use dissonance to counteract improbability? It makes no sense.

Yes he did. he doesn't need to be shaking to prove he had it in him, when he's only shaking when the drive is activated.

"Using 9.5, where thats literally all of S-3LFs, not him, fighting, isn't good proof to say he doesn't use the higher powers. MC7 was the higher powers resurrecting him, not tricky. tricky shoots lightning from his hand to resurrect people, not the sky."

I was using it as an example, in MC5 he directly says you can't kill him and then stands up very fast. No indicator for the higher powers being involved. In MC6 he glows white before rising up the cliff and landing behind hank in his demon form. Once more no indicator for the higher powers. The higher powers are mainly involved with hank rather than tricky from what I've seen. And wdym tricky shoots lightning from his hand to res people??? In MC6 he used telekinesis on hank (the white outline on antipathys body) before hank started moving again. Idk what you're on about.

Literally all of your examples showcase moments where he DIDN'T die.

"The Auditor's opinion on tricky means jack shit to scaling."

I talked about the auditor because your point about auditor reviving him contradicts with whats been stated regarding auditors view on tricky. Legit the clown can res himself, his not relying on big daddy higher powers to carry him 24/7.

Auditor did resurrect tricky... You know, the thing that completely kicked off the plot of Madness Combat 11???

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

Cool, still simply stared at the camera in a funny way. dancing during the credits of the game isn't Fourth Wall Awareness.

Not even a possibly rating. none of your proof even implies it should scale to 4-C.

Yes he did. he doesn't need to be shaking to prove he had it in him, when he's only shaking when the drive is activated.

Literally all of your examples showcase moments where he DIDN'T die.

Auditor did resurrect tricky... You know, the thing that completely kicked off the plot of Madness Combat 11???

Replying tomorrow need to sleep.

 

[Employe]

We don't know what the drive did to the sun. the sun was turned from a 4-C structure down to a 9-C fodder enemy that hank could kill.

Drive affected and transmutated entire sun, which is literally Star level feat. I do not see here any proofs why it is not scales to him. It is not scales to their physicality, yeah, but can count as AP for drive users (Because hax)

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

Cool, still simply stared at the camera in a funny way. dancing during the credits of the game isn't Fourth Wall Awareness.

Not even a possibly rating. none of your proof even implies it should scale to 4-C.

Yes he did. he doesn't need to be shaking to prove he had it in him, when he's only shaking when the drive is activated.

Literally all of your examples showcase moments where he DIDN'T die.

Auditor did resurrect tricky... You know, the thing that completely kicked off the plot of Madness Combat 11???

"Cool, still simply stared at the camera in a funny way. dancing during the credits of the game isn't Fourth Wall Awareness."

In both MC5 and a incident only when the camera (youtube video) does a close up shot of tricky is the moment he holds up his hands and smiles towards it. Limited fourth wall awareness could be more suited then.

"Not even a possibly rating. none of your proof even implies it should scale to 4-C."

Are you even reading what I'm saying?

Improbability drive uses infinite improbable which can scale up to 4-C

Tricky can use the infinite improbable (what the drive USES) therefore we can determine that since he can use what the drive uses he can perform the same feat. How else do you want me to word this?

"Yes he did. he doesn't need to be shaking to prove he had it in him, when he's only shaking when the drive is activated."

Do you have sources that says tricky/hoffnar had the drive implemented in him before MC5?

The point I want to get across is that his also empowered by dissonance. Not only filled with it.

"Literally all of your examples showcase moments where he DIDN'T die."

Both 5 and 6 mention dying and being killed. In 7 when his PID gets destroyed and momentarily makes tricky vulnerable is only when jebus gets the lucky chance to end him, and in the next part it legit shows this texts on auditor's terminal log "CLOWN BOUND AND REVIVED"

"Auditor did resurrect tricky... You know, the thing that completely kicked off the plot of Madness Combat 11???"

You make it sound like something he did on purpose. When it was simply because the employers do not react well to dissonance and tricky is heavy on all that dissonance energy it caused a reaction which made trickys S-3LFs (the normal one and skeleton thing shown in 9.5) to combine with the auditors body and boom thats how we got there.

 

[Comiphorous]

In both MC5 and a incident only when the camera (youtube video) does a close up shot of tricky is the moment he holds up his hands and smiles towards it. Limited fourth wall awareness could be more suited then.

Incidents aren't canon. the only time he does it in one and it's to look at the camera, which again, isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness.

Are you even reading what I'm saying?

Improbability drive uses infinite improbable which can scale up to 4-C

Tricky can use the infinite improbable (what the drive USES) therefore we can determine that since he can use what the drive uses he can perform the same feat. How else do you want me to word this?

i'd like to have actual evidence that it could scale and cause that sort of destruction (which it hasn't, it's only done this once and didn't even do it completely with it leaving the sun's ability to produce light in the sky, and left the actual mass of the sun into a physical flesh mass which was shrunk) the drive literally lacks any logic and could have done anything to the sun to allow it to do that, we don't know. it's why im very against us using feats created by the drive, because as far as we know it could have done anything ranging from a 10-C feat to a Low 2-C feat.

"Yes he did. he doesn't need to be shaking to prove he had it in him, when he's only shaking when the drive is activated."

Do you have sources that says tricky/hoffnar had the drive implemented in him before MC5?

The point I want to get across is that his also empowered by dissonance. Not only filled with it.

The burden of proof is on you, not me. the reasonable assumption is that he had it implanted while he was allied with the people who had it rather than it being implanted into him while the people who had it wanted him dead. that makes no sense. even if he was empowered by dissonance, he's never shown to weaponize it. makes no sense to list as something he can actually weaponize.

Both 5 and 6 mention dying and being killed. In 7 when his PID gets destroyed and momentarily makes tricky vulnerable is only when jebus gets the lucky chance to end him, and in the next part it legit shows this texts on auditor's terminal log "CLOWN BOUND AND REVIVED"

There isn't anything i can physically add to your point with 5 and 6. it could not be clearer than day. Tricky did not die. like it's not that hard to understand he didn't die in either of those episodes, he simply survived the damage he endured. 7, yes, he died.

You make it sound like something he did on purpose. When it was simply because the employers do not react well to dissonance and tricky is heavy on all that dissonance energy it caused a reaction which made trickys S-3LFs (the normal one and skeleton thing shown in 9.5) to combine with the auditors body and boom thats how we got there.

That makes literally zero sense. The Auditor was literally using the halo when he did that, if he didn't react well to dissonance, he would have reacted that way to the halo, which he didn't.

 

[Employe]

i'd like to have actual evidence that it could scale and cause that sort of destruction (which it hasn't, it's only done this once and didn't even do it completely with it leaving the sun's ability to produce light in the sky, and left the actual mass of the sun into a physical flesh mass which was shrunk) the drive literally lacks any logic and could have done anything to the sun to allow it to do that, we don't know. it's why im very against us using feats created by the drive, because as far as we know it could have done anything ranging from a 10-C feat to a Low 2-C feat.

Just because light saved does not means that it is not affect Sun (Star) and it mass. Also, why we would not use drives feats just because it is random?

 

[Comiphorous]

Just because light saved does not means that it is not affect Sun (Star) and it mass. Also, why we would not use drives feats just because it is random?

because i've seen plenty of people take it's feats at face value despite the fact they shouldn't be, just like this one, it was a visual gag, it shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Employe]

because i've seen plenty of people take it's feats at face value despite the fact they shouldn't be, just like this one, it was a visual gag, it shouldn't be taken seriously.

Being gag means nothing, lmao. Entire series is gag

 

[Comiphorous]

Being gag means nothing, lmao. Entire series is gag

Thats... very shitty proof to use a visual gag as proof to upgrade it.

even if lets say it was valid, it'd be a freakin' outlier by a longshot. it hasn't done anything close to that amount of power since, and until we get more context on it's capabilities, i don't think it should be tier 4.

 

[koopa3144]

I currently agree with @Comiphorous opinions on this CRT.

 

[Employe]

Thats... very shitty proof to use a visual gag as proof to upgrade it.

Less shitty then "gag" argument (What this even must change?).
Also, I do not see reasons why it is outlier. Tricky toyed with Hank all time, and why Auditor would destroy Nevada with Drive's capabilities?

 

[Comiphorous]

Less shitty then "gag" argument (What this even must change?).
Also, I do not see reasons why it is outlier. Tricky toyed with Hank all time, and why Auditor would destroy Nevada with Drive's capabilities?

No, you called the entire series a gag to try and tell me a visual gag was valid. it's not. Tricky toying with hank has nothing to do with the drive's Power, and trying to use the fact the auditor trying to destroy nevada with it despite the fact the entirety of Project Nexus 2 was the employers (including the auditor) attempting to stop nevada from ending seems a little strange.

 

[Employe]

No, you called the entire series a gag to try and tell me a visual gag was valid. it's not. Tricky toying with hank has nothing to do with the drive's Power, and trying to use the fact the auditor trying to destroy nevada with it despite the fact the entirety of Project Nexus 2 was the employers (including the auditor) attempting to stop nevada from ending seems a little strange.

1. I mean, it is reason why Tricky not used Drive on full power
2. They used Hank instead for some reasons. Honestly MPN's plot is very unsaid and incomprehensible, and this is kinda vague to use

 

[Comiphorous]

1. I mean, it is reason why Tricky not used Drive on full power

Using that logic, Hank would scale to the tier 4, which is also not something i'd like to see yet.

2. They used Hank instead for some reasons. Honestly MPN's plot is very unsaid and incomprehensible, and this is kinda vague to use

The fact the employers wanted to stop phobos from destroying nevada was made crystal clear when all of them showed up, said exactly that, left, and never showed up again.

 

[Employe]

Using that logic, Hank would scale to the tier 4, which is also not something i'd like to see yet.

The fact the employers wanted to stop phobos from destroying nevada was made crystal clear when all of them showed up, said exactly that, left, and never showed up again.

1. He is not, because this just hax and don't scales to their physicality
2. Okay, and what it proves? My first take was about why Auditor and Tricky don't used drive on full power, and can't show such destructions

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

Incidents aren't canon. the only time he does it in one and it's to look at the camera, which again, isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness.

i'd like to have actual evidence that it could scale and cause that sort of destruction (which it hasn't, it's only done this once and didn't even do it completely with it leaving the sun's ability to produce light in the sky, and left the actual mass of the sun into a physical flesh mass which was shrunk) the drive literally lacks any logic and could have done anything to the sun to allow it to do that, we don't know. it's why im very against us using feats created by the drive, because as far as we know it could have done anything ranging from a 10-C feat to a Low 2-C feat.

The burden of proof is on you, not me. the reasonable assumption is that he had it implanted while he was allied with the people who had it rather than it being implanted into him while the people who had it wanted him dead. that makes no sense. even if he was empowered by dissonance, he's never shown to weaponize it. makes no sense to list as something he can actually weaponize.

There isn't anything i can physically add to your point with 5 and 6. it could not be clearer than day. Tricky did not die. like it's not that hard to understand he didn't die in either of those episodes, he simply survived the damage he endured. 7, yes, he died.

That makes literally zero sense. The Auditor was literally using the halo when he did that, if he didn't react well to dissonance, he would have reacted that way to the halo, which he didn't.

"Incidents aren't canon. the only time he does it in one and it's to look at the camera, which again, isn't enough for Fourth Wall Awareness."

It's a comparison between the two. In both the canon and non-canon variants they want to show their "happiness" at victory via the "cameras". If a live theatre had some random on-stage character look towards the audience and wave or just any sort of expression it would count. Search up and google would agree with me "A fourth wall break occurs when a performer acknowledges the presence of the audience, the camera, or any other observer. This is usually done by looking directly into the camera and/or addressing the audience directly." There.

"i'd like to have actual evidence that it could scale and cause that sort of destruction (which it hasn't, it's only done this once and didn't even do it completely with it leaving the sun's ability to produce light in the sky, and left the actual mass of the sun into a physical flesh mass which was shrunk) the drive literally lacks any logic and could have done anything to the sun to allow it to do that, we don't know. it's why im very against us using feats created by the drive, because as far as we know it could have done anything ranging from a 10-C feat to a Low 2-C feat."

What about this? - It both explains the redness in the sky and the side effects of tricky merely doing things. And in case you're also wondering about that red glowing thing in MC5 matt stated he was going to do smth with it but forgot.

Oh and also this - What you wanted

"The burden of proof is on you, not me. the reasonable assumption is that he had it implanted while he was allied with the people who had it rather than it being implanted into him while the people who had it wanted him dead. that makes no sense. even if he was empowered by dissonance, he's never shown to weaponize it. makes no sense to list as something he can actually weaponize."

In MC5 is the first time we get to see tricky really mess with reality (the screen warping and the text "REALITY COMPROMISED. THE CLOWN HAS BEEN ENGAGED") therefore by an educated guess is where we can place trickys portable drive being implemented and activated during madness combat 5, I've already shown proof and established trickys abilities shown in project nexus is due to him using the dissonance energy in him to do what he does and to a greater extent than crackpot, but yet still all the stuff he does is mediocre when compared to the main series. But this is what I want to get across:

Him being empowered by dissonance is what allowed him to do what he does in the first place (before the drive fully comes in to play), the basic idea is that tricky can use the other aspect of dissonance by its beam or nexus bolt to do the weird zappy or eye things. This doesn't have to involve the other abilities christoff has demonstrated because I know the keystone fragment is responsible for giving a more wider array of abilities through the use of dissonance energy but a dissonance beam alone can account for what I've placed in the OG post.

"There isn't anything i can physically add to your point with 5 and 6. it could not be clearer than day. Tricky did not die. like it's not that hard to understand he didn't die in either of those episodes, he simply survived the damage he endured. 7, yes, he died."

7 visually shows the proof for 6??? In what part did you ever see tricky die in 7 and revive? Since 7 is like a straight away cut from 6 I can guarantee you the terminal is referring to tricky dying in 6 because if not it wouldn't make sense for the text to be there.

"That makes literally zero sense. The Auditor was literally using the halo when he did that, if he didn't react well to dissonance, he would have reacted that way to the halo, which he didn't."

Vid 1,Vid 2,Vid 3,and Vid 4. - There you go. Dissonance does affect them, but the halo doesn't have the same effect as pure dissonance. Trickys body had a lot of dissonance energy, theres your answer.

(also if dissonance is described as unreality does that mean it goes beyond deconstruction if hit by a diss beam???)

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

I currently agree with @Comiphorous opinions on this CRT.

What about now?

 

[Comiphorous]

It's a comparison between the two. In both the canon and non-canon variants they want to show their "happiness" at victory via the "cameras". If a live theatre had some random on-stage character look towards the audience and wave or just any sort of expression it would count. Search up and google would agree with me "A fourth wall break occurs when a performer acknowledges the presence of the audience, the camera, or any other observer. This is usually done by looking directly into the camera and/or addressing the audience directly." There.

live-theatre is very different from an animation. Tricky doesn't say a thing. he doesn't acknowledge the audience besides looking over, nor does he address them. you literally just have 'he looked at the camera once' which is not gonna slide. i disagree.

What about this? - It both explains the redness in the sky and the side effects of tricky merely doing things. And in case you're also wondering about that red glowing thing in MC5 matt stated he was going to do smth with it but forgot.

Oh and also this - What you wanted

Krinkles literally says in that video he did that because he thought it looked cool.

second video isn't much.

In MC5 is the first time we get to see tricky really mess with reality (the screen warping and the text "REALITY COMPROMISED. THE CLOWN HAS BEEN ENGAGED") therefore by an educated guess is where we can place trickys portable drive being implemented and activated during madness combat 5, I've already shown proof and established trickys abilities shown in project nexus is due to him using the dissonance energy in him to do what he does and to a greater extent than crackpot, but yet still all the stuff he does is mediocre when compared to the main series. But this is what I want to get across:

Him being empowered by dissonance is what allowed him to do what he does in the first place (before the drive fully comes in to play), the basic idea is that tricky can use the other aspect of dissonance by its beam or nexus bolt to do the weird zappy or eye things. This doesn't have to involve the other abilities christoff has demonstrated because I know the keystone fragment is responsible for giving a more wider array of abilities through the use of dissonance energy but a dissonance beam alone can account for what I've placed in the OG post.

Yeah, that's enough. disagree with this point aswell. using the point that it's the first time we see it activated is absolutely god awful reasons. that assumption still assumes that the people who want him dead, gave him in the improbability drive. which is ******* stupid.

you also have to prove dissonance has all the abilities that the drive does, despite the fact it does not. Tricky had the drive in project nexus, otherwise he wouldn't be a twitchy ****.

7 visually shows the proof for 6??? In what part did you ever see tricky die in 7 and revive? Since 7 is like a straight away cut from 6 I can guarantee you the terminal is referring to tricky dying in 6 because if not it wouldn't make sense for the text to be there.

and visually in 6 it shows he's literally talking, meaning he wasn't dead. we aren't going to be taking some text that the average user is going to miss over the fact he was literally alive in the scene it was possibly referencing thats delusional.

Vid 1,Vid 2,Vid 3,and Vid 4. - There you go. Dissonance does affect them, but the halo doesn't have the same effect as pure dissonance. Trickys body had a lot of dissonance energy, theres your answer.

(also if dissonance is described as unreality does that mean it goes beyond deconstruction if hit by a diss beam???)

Vid 1 is nothing but saying if you shot them with something that could hit them, it'd hurt them. Vid 2 is a nothing burger, Vid 3 literally says the auditor can use the halo, Vid 4 states they don't like it, not that they're weak to it.

 

[Employe]

What about now?

Also, here Krinkels implied that Nevada has no oxygen

 

[Comiphorous]

Also, here Krinkels implied that Nevada has no oxygen

broken link

 

[DanTheEyeMan01]

live-theatre is very different from an animation. Tricky doesn't say a thing. he doesn't acknowledge the audience besides looking over, nor does he address them. you literally just have 'he looked at the camera once' which is not gonna slide. i disagree.

Krinkles literally says in that video he did that because he thought it looked cool.

second video isn't much.

Yeah, that's enough. disagree with this point aswell. using the point that it's the first time we see it activated is absolutely god awful reasons. that assumption still assumes that the people who want him dead, gave him in the improbability drive. which is ******* stupid.

you also have to prove dissonance has all the abilities that the drive does, despite the fact it does not. Tricky had the drive in project nexus, otherwise he wouldn't be a twitchy ****.

and visually in 6 it shows he's literally talking, meaning he wasn't dead. we aren't going to be taking some text that the average user is going to miss over the fact he was literally alive in the scene it was possibly referencing thats delusional.

Vid 1 is nothing but saying if you shot them with something that could hit them, it'd hurt them. Vid 2 is a nothing burger, Vid 3 literally says the auditor can use the halo, Vid 4 states they don't like it, not that they're weak to it.

"live-theatre is very different from an animation. Tricky doesn't say a thing. he doesn't acknowledge the audience besides looking over, nor does he address them. you literally just have 'he looked at the camera once' which is not gonna slide. i disagree."

You ignore one point and only press on with the other.
"Krinkles literally says in that video he did that because he thought it looked cool."
"second video isn't much."

My guy he legit just said "The clowns doings facilitated that" do you just skim the video and not even pay attention to them?

Also second video shows the range and capability of the improb drive? Do I have to spell out in specific detail what each link is supposed to show you?

"Yeah, that's enough. disagree with this point aswell. using the point that it's the first time we see it activated is absolutely god awful reasons. that assumption still assumes that the people who want him dead, gave him in the improbability drive. which is ******* stupid."

You do realize krinkles himself has said his improvising the plot multiple times on streams, because back then plot wasn't the main focus on MC but high paced action was. But now that matts trying to establish a proper plot its all a jumbled mess. And this assumption makes the most sense because its the start of tricky actually warping reality to a higher degree, plus we never had "The machine" or "The Maker" back then so stop trying to make a take that involves character that didn't have a presence in the scheme of things long ago.

you also have to prove dissonance has all the abilities that the drive does, despite the fact it does not. Tricky had the drive in project nexus, otherwise he wouldn't be a twitchy ****.

I've already linked something that proves that... do I have to keep doing this over and over? Here

And if he had the drive in project nexus he would've been much more speedy and bouncing everywhere after the mini boss battle with him when he was fighting the other agents that launched an attack on hank and jebus. Except he fghts like everyone else and does nothing special or drive worthy.

"and visually in 6 it shows he's literally talking, meaning he wasn't dead. we aren't going to be taking some text that the average user is going to miss over the fact he was literally alive in the scene it was possibly referencing thats delusional."

I'm much more inclined to believe what a terminal log of an employer says over some glitch red texts that could've been outputted by the drive.

"Vid 1 is nothing but saying if you shot them with something that could hit them, it'd hurt them. Vid 2 is a nothing burger, Vid 3 literally says the auditor can use the halo, Vid 4 states they don't like it, not that they're weak to it."

I'm half convinced you have tunnel vision when watching this clips.

The halo = not pure dissonance

Trickys corpse = pure dissonance embed inside

You know what it's better to just rule your thing to disagree because this is an endless cycle of going back and forth.

 

[Comiphorous]

You do realize krinkles himself has said his improvising the plot multiple times on streams, because back then plot wasn't the main focus on MC but high paced action was. But now that matts trying to establish a proper plot its all a jumbled mess. And this assumption makes the most sense because its the start of tricky actually warping reality to a higher degree, plus we never had "The machine" or "The Maker" back then so stop trying to make a take that involves character that didn't have a presence in the scheme of things long ago.

this has to do with the AAHW, who by Project Nexus, (which while shakey where it fits in the timeline, takes place not long after Tricky becomes a Zed) confirmed they wanted Tricky dead. It makes no goddamn sense for Tricky to be given the drive when the people who had it (The AAHW) wanted him dead. and even if i were talking about the machine and the maker, they exist now, and trying to use the point that 'they didn't exist then' despite the fact krinkles admitted he had someone make a shit ton of connections to old episodes so the new characters in Project Nexus could exist in the main timeline makes that entire point a complete mess.

I've already linked something that proves that... do I have to keep doing this over and over? Here

And if he had the drive in project nexus he would've been much more speedy and bouncing everywhere after the mini boss battle with him when he was fighting the other agents that launched an attack on hank and jebus. Except he fghts like everyone else and does nothing special or drive worthy.

That video says the dissonance gives him his flying and immortality... (That video should give tricky a resistance to The Machine's mind manipulation/however the machine keeps the 'bond' thing between nevadeans though) that doesn't mean anything when it relates to the improbability drive. your pushing the definition of that video from 'oh yeah the dissonance is giving him better immortality, flight, and other various abilities' to 'he has the abilities to the improbability drive' which is a giant jump.

I'm much more inclined to believe what a terminal log of an employer says over some glitch red texts that could've been outputted by the drive.

Not only is the drive not concious, never spoken, or anything like that, but tricky literally uses the same style of text to speak in the previous episode, next episode, and then HANK uses the same text style to speak. it's him speaking.

I'm half convinced you have tunnel vision when watching this clips.

The halo = not pure dissonance

Trickys corpse = pure dissonance embed inside

You know what it's better to just rule your thing to disagree because this is an endless cycle of going back and forth.

If he was weak to dissonance, he'd have had a reaction to either. the halo is powered by it, and anyone using it gets deadly doses of it shown by jesus (who becomes delusional and weak from using the halo. and he resists dissonance.). there is no way your arguing the auditor is weak to it but can withstand more dissonance than someone who actively resists it.

 

[Employe]

 

[Employe]

Supergenius: The highest level of non-omniscient intellect, possessed by individuals with unfathomably superhuman intelligence who are capable of creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for extremely diverse purposes. Take note that for a Supergenius rating to be given based on technological prowess, the character in question should be able to essentially warp reality as they wish on an at least universal (3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well.

"live-theatre is very different from an animation. Tricky doesn't say a thing. he doesn't acknowledge the audience besides looking over, nor does he address them. you literally just have 'he looked at the camera once' which is not gonna slide. i disagree."

You ignore one point and only press on with the other.
"Krinkles literally says in that video he did that because he thought it looked cool."
"second video isn't much."

My guy he legit just said "The clowns doings facilitated that" do you just skim the video and not even pay attention to them?

Also second video shows the range and capability of the improb drive? Do I have to spell out in specific detail what each link is supposed to show you?

"Yeah, that's enough. disagree with this point aswell. using the point that it's the first time we see it activated is absolutely god awful reasons. that assumption still assumes that the people who want him dead, gave him in the improbability drive. which is ******* stupid."

You do realize krinkles himself has said his improvising the plot multiple times on streams, because back then plot wasn't the main focus on MC but high paced action was. But now that matts trying to establish a proper plot its all a jumbled mess. And this assumption makes the most sense because its the start of tricky actually warping reality to a higher degree, plus we never had "The machine" or "The Maker" back then so stop trying to make a take that involves character that didn't have a presence in the scheme of things long ago.

you also have to prove dissonance has all the abilities that the drive does, despite the fact it does not. Tricky had the drive in project nexus, otherwise he wouldn't be a twitchy ****.

I've already linked something that proves that... do I have to keep doing this over and over? Here

And if he had the drive in project nexus he would've been much more speedy and bouncing everywhere after the mini boss battle with him when he was fighting the other agents that launched an attack on hank and jebus. Except he fghts like everyone else and does nothing special or drive worthy.

"and visually in 6 it shows he's literally talking, meaning he wasn't dead. we aren't going to be taking some text that the average user is going to miss over the fact he was literally alive in the scene it was possibly referencing thats delusional."

I'm much more inclined to believe what a terminal log of an employer says over some glitch red texts that could've been outputted by the drive.

"Vid 1 is nothing but saying if you shot them with something that could hit them, it'd hurt them. Vid 2 is a nothing burger, Vid 3 literally says the auditor can use the halo, Vid 4 states they don't like it, not that they're weak to it."

I'm half convinced you have tunnel vision when watching this clips.

The halo = not pure dissonance

Trickys corpse = pure dissonance embed inside

You know what it's better to just rule your thing to disagree because this is an endless cycle of going back and forth.

Could this potentialy put Tricky's IQ on this level, since he discovered dissonance and Drive, which falls in this categories?