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Transduality 2 for Graham and Anos

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This CRT is the continue for this https://vsbattles.com/threads/graham-transduality-2.137088/#post-4807319

First of all, order is duality

And misfit is unbound all order

Graham:
Graham is misfit that unbound by order and reason. His true form is nothingness that lack of reason, and make him cannot be interacted

Anos:
Anos is misfit that unbound by order and reason. His true form/nature is negative providence that opposite the order it self, far exceed graham's nonexistance. The world will only chaos and destroyed if his true form is appear in reality, world cannot endure his true form in other word world cannot interacted with it
 
I don't think I have suggested anything more than TD 2. But yes, it is preferable that you read it and give your opinion.
 
It doesn't..... Otherwise Touhou TD 2 characters will be Acausal 5.

Plus Anos being beyond order but being bound by cause and effect, and can still be affected by normal people and he's not shown immunity to the dual concepts.....

You have to explain why that is the case

Not every verse treats it like the wiki expects, but that's understandable
 
Yemma670 said:
Plus Anos being beyond order but being bound by cause and effect, and can still be affected by normal people
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I remarked that in my 2nd point here, they should get anything more.
Yemma670 said:
and he's not shown immunity to the dual concepts.....
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He has resisted everything meaning none of them were capable of harming him, also only Anos' source and Graham's true nature should have TD, check my point 3.
 
Yemma670 said:
It doesn't..... Otherwise Touhou TD 2 characters will be Acausal 5.

Plus Anos being beyond order but being bound by cause and effect, and can still be affected by normal people and he's not shown immunity to the dual concepts.....

You have to explain why that is the case

Not every verse treats it like the wiki expects, but that's understandable
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They are already acausals type 5 tho
 
Yemma670 said:
Haven't read it, but has he shown immunity, not resistance, but immunity to hax of all dualities
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Himself has shown resistance to all orders he has faced (if I'm not wrong), which are dualities. Misfits are outside reason which is far above order. But his source should get the TD at least. Same as he got NEP for his source and he should get the NPI (Point 4 in my linked post above)
 
Orioreeem said:
They are already acausals type 5 tho
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That's not true and that's not how TD 2 works

If your verse has 5 dualities, and you're transcends (are immune) all of it, it's TD 2 but of only those 5, not every duality that has and ever will be, even if they don't exist in your verse

Likewise if you transcend(is immune) to one or specific dual systems, that's TD 1
 
Yemma670 said:
That's not true and that's not how TD 2 works

If your verse has 5 dualities, and you're transcends (are immune) all of it, it's TD 2 but of only those 5, not every duality that has and ever will be, even if they don't exist in your verse

Likewise if you transcend(is immune) to one or specific dual systems, that's TD 1
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It should be noted that it is known that there are countless gods in each world, that is to say, countless orders so countless dualities.
 
Dereck03 said:
Himself has shown resistance to all orders he has faced (if I'm not wrong), which are dualities. Misfits are outside reason which is far above order. But his source should get the TD at least. Same as he got NEP for his source and he should get the NPI (Point 4 in my linked post above)
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Alright then.
 
Yemma670 said:
If your verse has 5 dualities, and you're transcends (are immune) all of it, it's TD 2 but of only those 5, not every duality that has and ever will be, even if they don't exist in your verse
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Proof of this? Because i'm pretty sure this is not how that works otherwise it would be type 1, tho it doesn't matter because the things we take that td 2 gives by default are the things that most deffinitly exist in verse just by it... mearly existing
 
Yemma670 said:
It doesn't..... Otherwise Touhou TD 2 characters will be Acausal 5.

Plus Anos being beyond order but being bound by cause and effect, and can still be affected by normal people and he's not shown immunity to the dual concepts.....

You have to explain why that is the case

Not every verse treats it like the wiki expects, but that's understandable
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Does one have to be immune to the duality? I think there's a version of superman that has TD by being both immune and weak to kryptonite.

I doubt it will apply to Anos directly, maybe his true form (if we get such a thing) or his source true form just as graham's source has as well
 
Anos' source is just destruction, that's his true nature. Graham' source of nothingness is nothingness that's already unnafected by order and Graham's true nature is pure nothingness which also lacks reason that the more it is destroyed the more nothigness becomes impossible to affect.
 
Tatsumi504 said:
Does one have to be immune to the duality? I think there's a version of superman that has TD by being both immune and weak to kryptonite.
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Basic requirement is immunity. Otherwise what's the point. Why do you think TD2 is so op here? Certainly isn't because they resist
Tatsumi504 said:
I doubt it will apply to Anos directly, maybe his true form (if we get such a thing) or his source true form just as graham's source has as well
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Even that probably not as we've not seen him yet to start making assumptions about him
 
Tbh I'm not sure what will be done about it. We just have to wait for more knowledgeable members I guess (Dereck's post, I vsbt seem to tag it)
 
Yemma670 said:
Even that probably not as we've not seen him yet to start making assumptions about him
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Nothing other than Anos himself, Venuzdonoa who is above and unbound of order and reason, MEoCD who is above and unbound of order and reason and Sasha with here Eyes of Reason Destruction have been able to affect his own source. That is, only those who have the ability to manipulate reason and be above it can affect his source. His source is above all order as well the opposition of each order.
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Tbh I'm not sure what will be done about it. We just have to wait for more knowledgeable members I guess (Dereck's post, I vsbt seem to tag it)
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Pretty much, I am only answering the questions that others may have.
 
How the heck did you interpret that scan that way tho. What I'm reading is saying something else entirely.

Call some mods. Let them decide
 
Yemma670 said:
How the heck did you interpret that scan that way tho. What I'm reading is saying something else entirely.
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Huh, doesn't that seem to be the scan where Graham was crying and screaming when Anos' source was reducing to nothing.

Here's
 
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