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Touhou VSBW Revisions any% speedrun [Glitchless] [WR]
Felt the need to split this off from a separate revision because that one was getting to be like 20 pages long in Google docs lmao
I mean, it still is because I found like 20 more things worth adding, but that’s not the point.
Celestials
Limited Poison Manipulation and Animal Manipulation, as their bodies are like poison to youkai and they can tame wild animals just by holding out their hand. The poisonous bodies part is also corroborated by the Hermits section in PMiSS. Animal manipulation is also backed up by Tenshi calming down a wolf guarding Kasen’s Senkai just by holding out her hand.
Hermits
Power Bestowal, as youkai who consume the flesh of a hermit may ascend to a high form.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2), as hermits who live past the age of 500 no longer have any need for food.
Purification (Type 1) and Statistics Amplification from being able to maintain their body via natural cures, and making their bodies tougher than steel.
Fairies
Air Manipulation, since they can raise winds.
Passive Plant Manipulation as an extension of their life manipulation. Fairies like Lily White can also make plants bloom on their own.
Magicians
Stealth from being able to steal livestock and children undetected.
Minor Telekinesis from being able to perform sleight of hand magic.
Preparation, as it is said that magicians with sufficient prep time can take on any kind of youkai. This would likely also grant a ‘higher with preparation’ justification for their AP.
Age Manipulation, as they can restore youth with their magic.
Beast Youkai
Enhanced Senses from being able to see in the dark, as well as see and hear from afar.
Natural Weaponry via claws and teeth.
Hourai Immortals
Power Bestowal, since eating the guts of one can make you immortal as well.
Phantoms
Immortality (Type 5) since Mokou compares her state of lacking the concepts of life and death to that of a phantom.
However, this would give a number of characters Immortality Negation (Type 5) due to being able to destroy phantoms. For example, here’s Reimu killing a bunch, Youmu can destroy phantoms, and a major plot point of SWR is characters noticing that Tenshi is destroying phantoms and going ‘hey that’s kinda ****** up’. The list of characters this applies to is as follows:
Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Reisen, Sanae, Youmu, & Tenshi. Lemme know if I missed anyone. I almost guarantee I did.
But it doesn’t end there. See, since Reimu is one of the example characters listed, and has fought numerous type 5 immortals without them dying in spite of her immortality negation (such as Mokou, Youmu, Kaguya, and so on), these characters would get Resistance to Immortality Negation (Type 5) from, y’know, not dying.
And that brings us full circle back to regular immortality negation, since we’ve already accepted that Yukari would be able to kill Mokou via immortality negation, so she would get Negation of Resistance to Immortality Negation (Type 5). Touhou hax are basically just a never-ending revolving door of uno reverse cards when you think about it, and we haven’t even hit the worst of it yet.
Youkai
I was gonna add a bunch of immunities since there’s strong evidence for youkai lacking blood and organs, but then a new chapter of Lotus Eaters dropped and that became entirely irrelevant and I had to dedicate a bunch of time to rewriting this. So, thanks for that, ZUN.
Enhanced Senses, as they can see much better than humans in the darkness of night.
Shapeshifting and Intangibility, as SoPM states that when youkai came to Gensokyo, they gained the ability to change their own form. Supporting this is the fact that Reimu states that the form of youkai in Gensokyo is different from that of ‘regular’ youkai, as well as how Wriggle seemingly changed her own form to be closer to that of a human. Forbidden Scrollery also reiterates how youkai can take on human forms at will. As for intangibility, it is repeatedly shown in FS that youkai can transform into a sort of black mist, something supported by Kasen’s arm and how Remilia’s hand turns to this same mist when she burns her hand and subsequently regenerates. Then there’s the fact that, as of recent bullet hell entries in the series, youkai repeatedly make their stage entries by reforming from, you guessed it, black mist.
Incorporeality, for two reasons. First is from Lotus Eaters, where Suika says youkai lack flesh and blood… but only sometimes. This is dependent on human belief, as youkai only really have physical traits when doing so would strengthen belief in them, the most obvious example being Setsubun where beans are used to force out oni. Then we have Eirin stating that youkai are primarily made of spirit, which as has been discussed and accepted previously (by most people, anyway), is just souls, which are obviously incorporeal.
Aura Suppression, since youkai regularly enter the human village whilst disguised or otherwise blending in and aren’t, y’know, immediately soulhaxing everybody in their vicinity. Characters like Aya and Mamizou were also evidently able to pass themselves off as ordinary humans to Kosuzu, who is capable of easily detecting youkai auras. Another example is how Kosuzu was unable to detect Kokoro’s aura during her performance, but after the show she was affected by it. She also wasn’t able to identify Kokoro as a youkai until the very end of the chapter (and beginning of the subsequent chapter). Finally, she failed to identify a number of kappa passing through the human village. There are likely more examples, but these are clear demonstrations of youkai being able to hide their auras, even from people who can see and analyze said aura.
Also, going back to the shapeshifting arguments, youkai being liberated from human imagination and thus being unbound from it should be Resistance to Plot Manipulation, Subjective Reality, Transmutation, & Transformation, as youkai are no longer influenced by the stories and legends they originated from and may choose their own forms as they wish.
Resistance to Corruption & Power Bestowal since youkai are immune to the effects of the Hourai elixir, which also taints the drinker with impurity.
Resistance to Fear Manipulation & Sense Manipulation, as youkai are unaffected by the passive aura of other youkai.
Patchouli implies that youkai are unaffected by heat stroke, so they should also get Resistance to Extreme Heat.
Unconventional Resistance to Necromancy, as youkai do not leave corpses behind when beaten.
Lastly, get rid of the universal range with their mind. While I may have once agreed that their ‘mind’ exists beyond the physical layer of reality, in truth, there is not a single piece of canon evidence to suggest such a thing. Banish it to the deepest depths of hell so it may never surface again.
(Also if it really did exist beyond the physical layer, it’d be multiversal, not universal :v)
Felt the need to split this off from a separate revision because that one was getting to be like 20 pages long in Google docs lmao
I mean, it still is because I found like 20 more things worth adding, but that’s not the point.
Celestials
Limited Poison Manipulation and Animal Manipulation, as their bodies are like poison to youkai and they can tame wild animals just by holding out their hand. The poisonous bodies part is also corroborated by the Hermits section in PMiSS. Animal manipulation is also backed up by Tenshi calming down a wolf guarding Kasen’s Senkai just by holding out her hand.
Hermits
Power Bestowal, as youkai who consume the flesh of a hermit may ascend to a high form.
Self-Sustenance (Type 2), as hermits who live past the age of 500 no longer have any need for food.
Purification (Type 1) and Statistics Amplification from being able to maintain their body via natural cures, and making their bodies tougher than steel.
Fairies
Air Manipulation, since they can raise winds.
Passive Plant Manipulation as an extension of their life manipulation. Fairies like Lily White can also make plants bloom on their own.
Magicians
Stealth from being able to steal livestock and children undetected.
Minor Telekinesis from being able to perform sleight of hand magic.
Preparation, as it is said that magicians with sufficient prep time can take on any kind of youkai. This would likely also grant a ‘higher with preparation’ justification for their AP.
Age Manipulation, as they can restore youth with their magic.
Beast Youkai
Enhanced Senses from being able to see in the dark, as well as see and hear from afar.
Natural Weaponry via claws and teeth.
Hourai Immortals
Power Bestowal, since eating the guts of one can make you immortal as well.
Phantoms
Immortality (Type 5) since Mokou compares her state of lacking the concepts of life and death to that of a phantom.
However, this would give a number of characters Immortality Negation (Type 5) due to being able to destroy phantoms. For example, here’s Reimu killing a bunch, Youmu can destroy phantoms, and a major plot point of SWR is characters noticing that Tenshi is destroying phantoms and going ‘hey that’s kinda ****** up’. The list of characters this applies to is as follows:
Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Reisen, Sanae, Youmu, & Tenshi. Lemme know if I missed anyone. I almost guarantee I did.
But it doesn’t end there. See, since Reimu is one of the example characters listed, and has fought numerous type 5 immortals without them dying in spite of her immortality negation (such as Mokou, Youmu, Kaguya, and so on), these characters would get Resistance to Immortality Negation (Type 5) from, y’know, not dying.
And that brings us full circle back to regular immortality negation, since we’ve already accepted that Yukari would be able to kill Mokou via immortality negation, so she would get Negation of Resistance to Immortality Negation (Type 5). Touhou hax are basically just a never-ending revolving door of uno reverse cards when you think about it, and we haven’t even hit the worst of it yet.
Youkai
I was gonna add a bunch of immunities since there’s strong evidence for youkai lacking blood and organs, but then a new chapter of Lotus Eaters dropped and that became entirely irrelevant and I had to dedicate a bunch of time to rewriting this. So, thanks for that, ZUN.
Enhanced Senses, as they can see much better than humans in the darkness of night.
Shapeshifting and Intangibility, as SoPM states that when youkai came to Gensokyo, they gained the ability to change their own form. Supporting this is the fact that Reimu states that the form of youkai in Gensokyo is different from that of ‘regular’ youkai, as well as how Wriggle seemingly changed her own form to be closer to that of a human. Forbidden Scrollery also reiterates how youkai can take on human forms at will. As for intangibility, it is repeatedly shown in FS that youkai can transform into a sort of black mist, something supported by Kasen’s arm and how Remilia’s hand turns to this same mist when she burns her hand and subsequently regenerates. Then there’s the fact that, as of recent bullet hell entries in the series, youkai repeatedly make their stage entries by reforming from, you guessed it, black mist.
Incorporeality, for two reasons. First is from Lotus Eaters, where Suika says youkai lack flesh and blood… but only sometimes. This is dependent on human belief, as youkai only really have physical traits when doing so would strengthen belief in them, the most obvious example being Setsubun where beans are used to force out oni. Then we have Eirin stating that youkai are primarily made of spirit, which as has been discussed and accepted previously (by most people, anyway), is just souls, which are obviously incorporeal.
Aura Suppression, since youkai regularly enter the human village whilst disguised or otherwise blending in and aren’t, y’know, immediately soulhaxing everybody in their vicinity. Characters like Aya and Mamizou were also evidently able to pass themselves off as ordinary humans to Kosuzu, who is capable of easily detecting youkai auras. Another example is how Kosuzu was unable to detect Kokoro’s aura during her performance, but after the show she was affected by it. She also wasn’t able to identify Kokoro as a youkai until the very end of the chapter (and beginning of the subsequent chapter). Finally, she failed to identify a number of kappa passing through the human village. There are likely more examples, but these are clear demonstrations of youkai being able to hide their auras, even from people who can see and analyze said aura.
Also, going back to the shapeshifting arguments, youkai being liberated from human imagination and thus being unbound from it should be Resistance to Plot Manipulation, Subjective Reality, Transmutation, & Transformation, as youkai are no longer influenced by the stories and legends they originated from and may choose their own forms as they wish.
Resistance to Corruption & Power Bestowal since youkai are immune to the effects of the Hourai elixir, which also taints the drinker with impurity.
Resistance to Fear Manipulation & Sense Manipulation, as youkai are unaffected by the passive aura of other youkai.
Patchouli implies that youkai are unaffected by heat stroke, so they should also get Resistance to Extreme Heat.
Unconventional Resistance to Necromancy, as youkai do not leave corpses behind when beaten.
Lastly, get rid of the universal range with their mind. While I may have once agreed that their ‘mind’ exists beyond the physical layer of reality, in truth, there is not a single piece of canon evidence to suggest such a thing. Banish it to the deepest depths of hell so it may never surface again.
(Also if it really did exist beyond the physical layer, it’d be multiversal, not universal :v)
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