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Toriko upgrades

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Pair should be High 4-C for being able to fight toriko's blue oni one on one evenly (remember when toriko used two of his onis to fight tge blue nitro). That blue oni is the one who damaged acacia.
 
The problem is that Don also calls his "supernova" the "greatest attack in existence"... how exactly if he knew that there were at least 8 animals that could casually spam attacks brutally above that?
 
FrancoGYFV said:
The problem is that Don also calls his "supernova" the "greatest attack in existence"... how exactly if he knew that there were at least 8 animals that could casually spam attacks brutally above that?
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He doesn't call his own attack the greatest attack in existence:

He stated that the Supernova attack he performed against Neo is the strongest attack that Asarudy's body could handle.

And he stated that an ordinary Supernova could be called the greatest disaster in the Universe.
 
Well supernova is not the greatest thing in universe, as Quasars can easily be more bright than all the stars on thousand of galaxy combine.
 
@DocAnimeTheory

Not really, since
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ÒüúÒüƒ actually translates to "get caught" (in this context, probably caught on the explosion).

And both the translations are wrong? What?


@Damage3245

Yeah, it's not the first and won't be the last time that mistranslation can completely change the level of multiple characters.
 
Can we please return to the more important topic of how to properly scale the various Toriko characters from this? Which ones have been forgotten?
 
Probably Chiyo's durability thing with the barrier of her's. DK where to scale that to but i think perhaps...Star level at most, maybe? I'm not sure on her on that one.

Pair might be upgraded too possibly since he was fighting two of Toriko's Oni's. One of them being able to withstand a punch from first form Acacia whose currently High 4-C. Though since he and Acacia (normal and human w/o NEO) are supposed to be equals, this may have to apply to him as well.

Other than that, idk who else we're missing that scales to this.
 
Okay. Thank you for the help.
 
I'd scale chiyo to 4-C for being able to stop (albeit not completely) Joa's attack back in the Gourmet festival (which Joa praised), which means she isnt that weaker than joa himself.
 
Wait, i screwed up badly. It's Setsuno, not Chiyo, my bad. Kind of a bit of a long time since i last heard or read on Setsuno.

So anyways, it'll be 4-C Setsuno then i guess...
 
Adam of darkness said:
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Bad translation,this is the actual scan .........there should be no upgrades
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Nope that would be from the scanlation group TheSunWillRiseAgain which has a history of downplaying Toriko with there translation. You should really read the whole thread. That translation is wrong.

Regardless Neo is at the top of the universal food chai, and as such Neo should be stronger than the Demon King and Cosmos Mammoths which are both Star Level. Furthermore Neo used an attack which could completely wipe out the su.
 
NEO > star sized elephants, since its at the top of the food chain (which is totally consistent since he did wreck the blue universe and it wouldnt make sense for it to be weaker than a random elephant).
 
Well, Large Star level mammoths then, I suppose.
 
I know I'm a bit late to this and still haven't finished Toriko, but didn't NEO consume the majority of another universe over billions of years? I don't see any reason why he would be below random Large Star-sized mammoths.
 
Well, he gradually ate all of the lifeforms of different planets, but yes, he should probably scale from the mammoths, even without the star statement.
 
So, is any relevant character missing? Would the NEO guys get scaled from teppei?
 
There was Setsuno who somewhat stood up to Joa and deflected part of an attack that would have destroyed the Human World. And i guess Pair and Human Base Acacia.
 
Joa > Setsuno by an unknown degree (tho Joa's comment praising her may mean the gap isnt that large, it was also a serios attack iirc), also, she can create barriers capable of resisting half-sealed jirou's attacks and the blue nitro's... possibly 4-C should do the trick imo.

Pair: as I said before, pair can keep up with toriko's blue oni, who can tan tank attacks from the same acacia who decapitated jirou, and also harm him. I think High 4-C isnt really farfetched tbh.

Base Human Acacia (supposing this is after he defused from NEO, and not the one from the past): should superior to Pair after eating GOD, so... likely High 4-C (since we never got to see him fight)?
 
Very well.

Actually, Pair was fighting against Ogre/Red Oni rather than Blue Oni, which the other Nitro he was with at the time was fighting against. High 4-C can possibly work but wasn't Red Oni depicted as somewhat weaker than Blue Oni? Or has the gap got really narrow and close for them?

I was actually referring to Acacia from the past.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Very well.

Actually, Pair was fighting against Ogre/Red Oni rather than Blue Oni, which the other Nitro he was with at the time was fighting against. High 4-C can possibly work but wasn't Red Oni depicted as somewhat weaker than Blue Oni? Or has the gap got really narrow and close for them?

I was actually referring to Acacia from the past.
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Shouldn't even Acacia from the Past be at least comparable to Prime Ichiryuu? So wouldn't Base Acacia be High 4-C since he should scale to his Disciples?
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Very well.

Actually, Pair was fighting against Ogre/Red Oni rather than Blue Oni, which the other Nitro he was with at the time was fighting against. High 4-C can possibly work but wasn't Red Oni depicted as somewhat weaker than Blue Oni? Or has the gap got really narrow and close for them?

I was actually referring to Acacia from the past.
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Okay, thanks for the aclaration, its even easier to justify the High 4-C for Pair this way:

Pair was superior to Red Oni (who, tanked a hit from acacia but was obviously pushed back and required Blue to jump and slow them down) while Blue had the upper hand vs the other. However, Pair killed him (his fellow nitro) rather easily, even if he was off guard at first, he tore him appart as if it was nothing.

thoughts

Edit: past Acacia is a difficult one, the best guesswork I can give is that hunting GOD in the past would mean having to fight GOD and/or the eight kings from that time, who are probably scalable to the current ones (iirc, derous was King back then). Also, being equal to a blue nitro helps.
 
@DBZMLP: IDK. He might be in a sense seeing as Jirou had his follower active till he met him later. He might have beaten Jirou via knocking more than anything but idk. Same with Ichiryuu. DK if he would be as powerful as his disciples from the past. Might not be too too bad but a possibly High 4-C could work.

@PaChi2: Well that makes a lot more sense. Likely High 4-C or just High 4-C can work for Pair, but then Acacia supposedly encountered him in the past too, so that could be another potential justification for him having High 4-C even back then.

Hmm....
 
I don't know if they would be as fast as the Cosmos Mammoths though, I think it would only mean AP, seeing as how Neo being at the top of the Universal food chain means he can overpower them, but I could be wrong, having Toriko top tiers at not only High 4-C, but possibly MFTL+ would be awesome
 
As much as I like the idea of MFTL Toriko, I don't think we could scale them to that speed. When it comes to strength obviously they could scale based on what is presented, but speed is a whole different ball game.

Now obviously their travel speed can't scale to that of the cosmic mammoth, however when it comes to combat speed, while makes sense that toriko and the others would be faster than the Cosmic mammoths in fighting, however we have no actual proof to verify this(since now the manga is over).

And I'd rather not rely on speculation for their scaling. For now all that should scale is the AP and Durability, with speed being scaled to no one(minus maybe the shell that they travel with considering it was built to traverse he universe in a short period of time.
 
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