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To cross dimensions you need a qualitive difference(Infinite^infinite) here or a statement of transcendence. 4-D is easy, just effect time significantly, 5-D and up though...
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued
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Peak
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4D isn't just about affecting time anymore, that changed a while ago, to acquire hax 4D it also needs to be qualitatively infinitely superior to 3D, same goes for 4D to 5D, hax/AP 4D is "easier" to get mainly because we have the space-time continuum which is four-dimensional
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Was It? Don't recall the thread, regardless Dûl Incaru can manifest 4-D waveforms and shit so he counts for making their powers 4-D lol
Peak
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Well, at least that's what they told me when I asked about the time stop being automatically 4D and they said it actually has a 3D time stop using this reasoning I said
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Ah, it's probably Time Manipulation stuff then
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@DaReaperMan can you tell me what the sword logic actually does? I don't see why veldora shouldn't be able to copy it just because someone else couldn't
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Veldora doesn't have power mimicry.
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Huh, then why suggest he could copy it? Don't mean you btw
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there's literally a page on Sword Logic for one(Though it is pretty outdated lol), secondly, Veldora lacks the layers to pierce the fact Daughters and Crota resist power mimicry because those resistances, praise Sword Logic, are infinite layered and just matching the layers, to my knowledge, is not enough to pierce the resistance.
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Was the vex failing to copy it before or after the farming? How does one even get resistance to power mimicry?
Peak
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Not to be confused, it's easier to say that sword logic has a 4D layer, and Couldn't Veldora just nullify the sword's powers passively with the aura that also has a is 4D layer? Also, I don't see time stop resistance on his profile, so couldn't Veldora just stop time and work things out?
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Sword Logic is a hive power. Lesser Hive Gods can manifest 4-D stuff. Sword Logic is 4-D. your argument is illogical.
Vex have kinda always failed to copy folks like Hive Gods and Guardian Light, they fail to copy those who did not participate in the farming, and seeing as everything gets layers when you kill something due to Sword Logic, technically it's both.
and you just, are not effected by power mimicry. how does one resist resistance negation at that point lol
Rakih_Elyan
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Isn't sword logic is a smurf?
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The only dude it's smurf for is Oryx
Peak
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sorry, but I don't understand how this makes sword logic resist powernull, sword logic would have to have powernull resistance to not be affected, being 4D wouldn't make a difference, the right thing is sword logic has resistance to powernull 4D(you being 4D doesn't make all your hax or resistence 4D), meanwhile, I don't even see powernull resistance in either of the two profiles
Also, I don't see HDE in the sword logic profile, so why would the sword be 4D? Shouldn't that be in the profile?
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they have 2B range
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Can you Google translate better like you were before? Lol
But, from what i understood, your acting like Sword Logic is a different being; it isn't. It's a power used by the hive, Hive Powers used by someone not named Oryx is 4-D, so Daughters' resistance to power null and mimicry and what have you would still work as Sword Logic is simply a power of theirs.
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I don't see why they resist power mimicry, shouldn't it be sword logic itself?
How does a 2-A Oryx with 1-A hax farm and get layers from something that's 4-D
Not trying to debunk anything, just curious
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Because he kinda, you know, farmed sword logic, sword logic layers all powers and resistances, and Oryx is in fact the strongest user so
TheGreatJedi13
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Mfw this thread suddenly starts treating infinite layers == qualitative superiority.
You don't reach higher dimension from infinite layers alone. Qualitative superiority is above that that it becomes unreachable even by infinite in that dimension.
You can have infinite layers in 3D but it will never be 4D unless it becomes unreachable even by infinite in 3D or it encompasses spacetime continuum affecting all snapshots of an entire timeline.
The fact that he farmed with his kin to strengthen his resistance for an infinite time would technically qualify it to actually having layers because even if it takes him 100 years to increase it by 1 layer. Infinite time will still result to him doing that infinite times
You don't reach higher dimension from infinite layers alone. Qualitative superiority is above that that it becomes unreachable even by infinite in that dimension.
You can have infinite layers in 3D but it will never be 4D unless it becomes unreachable even by infinite in 3D or it encompasses spacetime continuum affecting all snapshots of an entire timeline.
You can get higher hax without having resistance to it. That is how.
The fact that he farmed with his kin to strengthen his resistance for an infinite time would technically qualify it to actually having layers because even if it takes him 100 years to increase it by 1 layer. Infinite time will still result to him doing that infinite times
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Not talking about the layers, how is he farming layers for 1-A hax from 4D ability?
TheGreatJedi13
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Idk im talking about 4D scaling.
1-A is just nonsense to me because i don't understand anything beyond High 1-B
EldemadeDityjon
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Just trust me bro
Sniper670
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And that my friend, is why Sword Logic has always been pretty sus
TheGreatJedi13
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Everything is always sus from a verse you do not support or have full knowledge from.
It all comes down to knowing who argues and scales in good faith and believe/trust their assessment
It all comes down to knowing who argues and scales in good faith and believe/trust their assessment
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Peak
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right, although I didn't do anything different, the translation theoretically should be the same
Well, then the sword profile needs to be severely updated, because it doesn't have that kind of thing
Peak
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I see, I had seen somewhere that for example infinite 3D layers would be the same as one 4D layer
In that case, can you have infinite 4D layers and still be a non-smurf?
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Yes
Noneless21
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the standard talk in this thread
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Bro low-key wants to be toxic to someone who want to understand the sword before creating CRT. Bruh moment.
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Sounds NLF tbh
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Make a CRT and get thy arse destroyed by WHYNAUT, go ahead.
Peak
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Well, shouldn't it be the other way around? There was no mention of infinite layers on any page, blog or CRT, wasn't it right for you to make a CRT about it? It makes no sense to make a CRT of something that hasn't even been accepted within the wiki, and there are several things that you say the sword resists without having linked it in the profile
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If there is nothing you mentioned, it is a nonexistent addition.
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Considering it was WHYNAUT who first used it and he's the one doing a bunch of destiny revisions, I'm pretty sure it's accepted.
And you keep on trying to say Sword Logic needs to resist stuff, it doesn't, the characters using sword logic need to resist things, and they do in this case.
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Where is it accepted? Mind linking the thread. I wanna see how the sword resist stuff that is not mentioned in profile, not considered as NLF.
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You just said "I wanna see how this power resists stuff!"
I don't know what upside down world you live in, but in this world I'm in, Characters resist things, not powers.
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