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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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Randomlamdom said:
Even if anos had full nep 2 it wouldn’t help, since madoka fights kriemhild gretchen who has it
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UKG need her NEP update to the new standards cuz anos NEP is nature 2 and most of the NEPs in wiki now are nature 1 (which is basically useless) so if UKG get nature 1 then madoka wouldn't be able to affect Anos which is nature 2
 
Dereck03 said:
UKG need her NEP update to the new standards cuz anos NEP is nature 2 and most of the NEPs in wiki now are nature 1 (which is basically useless) so if UKG get nature 1 then madoka wouldn't be able to affect Anos which is nature 2
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she's conceptually nonexistent, so still nep 2
 
the aspect is what's really important, not the first one. Existing as a nep entity after conceptual erasure - nature 2, type 2. No difference there. What actually matters is that she's nep on a conceptual level. Besides, what you said is contradictory.
 
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Also, why are Anos/Graham nature type 2 when they should be 1? What's non-dualistic about them? How about nature 1, types x?
 
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kuramamyfav68 said:
the aspect is what's really important, not the first one. So nature 2, type 2. No difference there. What actually matters is that she's nep on a conceptual level. Besides, what you said is contradictory.
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Wtf??? The Nature of the NEP is the really important thing here, aspects are mostly the things you're immune to, like aspect 1 immune to soul manipulation, aspect 2 immune to concept manipulation, aspect 3 immune to mind manipulation

Please again. Read carefully before making those comments, I could explain but if you read carefully you'll understand that nature 1 is worse than nature 2
 
Dereck03 said:
Wtf??? The Nature of the NEP is the really important thing here, aspects are mostly the things you're immune to, like aspect 1 immune to soul manipulation, aspect 2 immune to concept manipulation, aspect 3 immune to mind manipulation

Please again. Read carefully before making those comments, I could explain but if you read carefully you'll understand that nature 1 is worse than nature 2
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Like I said, contradictory. You can't have resistance to concept hax as a nature type 1. Explain what "nature" is.
 
Yeah no please stop UKG is only type 1 and no one in PMMM can touch Graham smh that's why I hate these kinds of conversations when ppl always compare PMMM and Anos without knowing anything

Hope similar stuffs will not happen in the future once I bump MG to tier 1 which will definitely be accepted
 
kuramamyfav68 said:
Ok (whatever), but no-one has answered this tho.
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Oh come on .... You can't even read the thread I linked above?? All you do is say "explain" or" no one answered me" but you can't even read the information or page carefully??? What a pain in the ass 🤦

"Now, what being the concept of nothingness and then surviving that concept getting erased to would equate to: Nature Type 2, Aspect Type 2 at minimum. Since you can't be in the nothingness state (i.e. 0 in binary), you are not Nature Type 1, but 2 (neither existent nor nothing i.e. not 1 nor 2). And since you lack the concept that made you, you have Aspect Type 2."

And the above is Graham's case and it's not that simply
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kuramamyfav68 said:
Graham's source is nep, and he becomes a superior/deeper nothingness after getting erased, correct?
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When Anos destroyed Graham Anos said that Graham ceased to exist but he felt that something still existed and when he realized that, then Graham's source of nothigness appeared, his body, mind, soul did not exist he became complete nonexistent, there was only his nothingness that some time later Anos destroyed Graham's concept of nothingness and reduced it to Graham's true nature which was an incomprehensible, without logic or reason, meaningless nothigness.

This is very different from being just a simple "conceptual nonexistent".
Graham has a "normal" source, like all other characters. Once that source is destroyed, his Source of Nothingness remains. Indeed, his Source of Nothingness is the lack of his normal source, which is why his Source of Nothingness doesn't function like other sources (he no longer has a body, soul/spirit, mind, or even existent magic power, despite having this "source"). This Source of Nothingness is definitely completely nonexistent tho.
This Source of Nothingness can be further reduced to nothing as well, after which a pure nothingness remains, described as "nothingness without reason/logic".
As far as I know, you can keep destroying this nothingness and further reduce it to nothingness, but as long as there is nothing, Graham will be able to reform his existence again. (This isn't the case in the presence of Venuzdonoa tho.)
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What about D from Vampire Hunter D for 5th 8c? I know the 5th guy has smurf 1a subjective reality... but how does he use it? And also, what about my low 1c suggestion?
kuramamyfav68 said:
Battler is no longer 1a, so please move him down in low 1c. Also, please switch the places for Anos and Homura Akemi/the Avatar of Calamity - Anos is far stronger than those 2 (as a 2a smurf).
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Setsuna_tenma said:
it works like a flood. She has High 1B immortality and BFR.
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"How does she activate this 1-A Diseases Manipulation? does it work against NEP beings/Abstract beings? Can it negate High-Godly Regeneration?"

"There's a bunch of things i need to know regarding this hax before i possibly give her a placement within the tier"

This explanation doesn't answer my question.
 
Phoenks said:
He's kinda easy to beat tho ngl
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How? even though he's only human his hax is pretty good, he has EE, soul hax, concept hax, info hax which up to 1-A level, can also negate many types of immortality. Magic Resistance makes it have multiple layers of resistance against deadly hax.
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
How? even though he's only human his hax is pretty good, he has EE, soul hax, concept hax, info hax which up to 1-A level, can also negate many types of immortality. Magic Resistance makes it have multiple layers of resistance against deadly hax.
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Shiki doesn't have MR in his profile and his hax is contact based compared to the others who can outrage him
 
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