Tooru Kokonoe (Absolute Duo) and partner vs Ikki Kurogane (Rakudai)

[GreatestSin]

both verses soul manifesting weapons, one with science the other with magic

R1: fight starts from 500 meters away, no knowledge, open field: no place to hide or get a higher ground

R2: Ikki gets help from Stella

R3: verse vs verse

thoughts?

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Tooru doesn't even have a profile here. Anyway, i don't remember Tooru's feats very clearly, so i'm going to search for them.

It's a stomp in the favor of Ikki and Stella on round 2. Tooru's best durability feat is just barely tanking a Large Building level laser with his barrier. Stella is at least City Block level with Karthatherio Salamandra.

Rakudai roflstomps round 3. It's not even funny.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Kokonoe Toru feats off the top of my head...

Apparently blocked a grenade launcher shot with his buckler

Mjolnir (a punching attack) punching through a building

Aegis desire makes a wide-area bubble shield that is atleast as durable as his buckler

Speed, none notable iirc. Probably subsonic from blocking stuff like bullets and grenade launcher shots.

Anyway, Ikki is very much faster and more impressive. Ittou Shura totally screws Tooru over as it amps his speed and strength, unlike Mjolnir that only amps his punching power for one or two shots a day. Ittou Razetsu one-shots Tooru, shield or no. Not that he can block it anyway, since Razetsu makes Ikki MHS for a second or so.

Julie is a problem only because she is flexible but Ikki is still faster and Insight makes short work of her fighting style that is very flashy.

R1 Ikki low-mid diff.

R2 Ikki low-mid diff. Stella cheers from behind.

R3 Rakudai verse mid-diff for now due to higher speeds. Razetsu and Raikiri are not yet the top tier of the verse and those are MHS burst attacks.

On another but related note, maybe we can make Absolute Duo profiles here or something. That'd be cool. I like the shield thing.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Yeah, i just read the battle in Vol. 4 again and he was only slightly faster than bullets from assault rifles before ranking up. Btw, he used Aegis Desire to block the granade launcher, not the shield. Also, there's a few people on Rakudai that can solo Absolute Duo from what we've seen of the latter.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Did he not use the shield? Hmm. Maybe due to the tiny diameter not being able to block the explosion. Stupid tiny shield.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned Raikiri and Razetsu takes pretty much anybody and its not even top tier yet.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@Gemmysaur I have to disagree with Raikiri and Rasetsu taking everyone, simply because i don't think that Ikki can beat everyone before that second runs out, and i don't know if Touka would be able to dodge all of the attacks with her supersonic movement speed. Then again, Trackless Step is always an option. Also, we might have to upgrade Stella's durability.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@Gemmysaur I have to disagree with Raikiri and Rasetsu taking everyone, simply because i don't think that Ikki can beat everyone before that second runs out, and i don't know if Touka would be able to dodge all of the attacks with her supersonic movement speed. Then again, Trackless Step is always an option. Also, we might have to upgrade Stella's durability.

Raikiri and Razetsu is MHS though. Base Ikki and Touka, as well as Shizuka, Stella, etc. are all above Tooru who is currently Lv4, in speed.

MHS attacks could most likely take anyone in Duoverse save for those with ridiculously high durability.

Why the Stella upgrade? What's up?

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@Gemmysaur Raikiri would down anyone in Duoverse so far, and so would any attack from a Rasetsu-amped Ikki. But i just don't see Ikki being fast enough to down every single person in the verse in one second. I think Touka might have trouble dodging attacks from the whole verse at the same time, but Trackless Step might solve that problem. Don't get me wrong, i'm only talking about Touka and Ikki taking on the verse by themselves. I can totally see them soloing if they are a team.

In the most recent translated chapter in the novels, Stella took a direct hit from a chainsaw, followed by a tackle from a magically amped lion. This caused her to go bouncing off the stage like a rubber ball and crash into the walls of the arena, breaking them, and causing a pile of rubble to fall on top of her. Said walls were stated to be able to tank shots from, well, tanks. Stella then proceeded to get up and jump back into the ring, whithout even a scratch. She didn't even use Empress Dress.

 

[Gemmysaur]

~Snip

I didn't mean for them to solo. I meant they're strong enough to down anyone in the Duoverse. Anyone, not everyone. They're meant as examples to the power of the Rakudaiverse as they are not yet the top tiers but they oneshot most everybody in Duo.

For the Stella feat. That's impressive actually. Cool.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@Gemmysaur Oh, i'm sorry then. Yeah, they're definately able to down anyone in a one on one match.

Ikr? That training with Nene really paid off.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@Gemmysaur Oh, i'm sorry then. Yeah, they're definately able to down anyone in a one on one match.
Ikr? That training with Nene really paid off.

Well. We pretty much finished the thread.

Oh and that training with Nene thing, I haven't read it yet. Back to reading I guess.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@Gemmysaur Yeah, i was actually going to make this thread when i realised that Ikki had a profile, but then i remembered that Tooru is only subsonic, and doesn't have a profile.

Are you reading the novels? She goes to train in the end of Vol. 4, btw.

 

[Gemmysaur]

@Gemmysaur Yeah, i was actually going to make this thread when i realised that Ikki had a profile, but then i remembered that Tooru is only subsonic, and doesn't have a profile.
Are you reading the novels? She goes to train in the end of Vol. 4, btw.

Yeah. I was reading the novels, only until Razetsu vs Raikiri. I haven't continued yet til I finish the anime, but the anime finished exactly there. So yeah.

 

[GreatestSin]

wow, i really overstaminated absolute duo, i only recently started readind the translated LNs but i watched the anime, toorus punch looked powerful later in the last 5 or so episodes, and his partner was able to cut a lot of trees in a wide area,

than it stays 2-0 for rakudai/ikki, should i wait for adding or is it useless since it is a stomp?

btw, cant toorus lvl4 shield block ikkis shura-mode attacks? they have immense speed but not a lot of destructive strength (at the part where i am (LN volume 2 and the anime))...

 

[NotEvenHuman]

Aegis Desire might be able to block some attacks from Ittou Shura, but any attack with Ittou Rasetsu murders him horribly, Aegis Desire or not.

 

[GreatestSin]

Aegis Desire might be able to block some attacks from Ittou Shura, but any attack with Ittou Rasetsu murders him horribly, Aegis Desire or not.

is there a calc for that? because i cant imagine (from what i have seen of the anime) that ikkis sword strike gets more destructive strength than a grenade launcher (while in Ittou R)

 

[NotEvenHuman]

@GreatestSin It's pretty simple, really. Ikki in base is Room level. Ittou Rasetsu multiplies his strenght and speed by 100. So the lowest end possible for a Rasetsu-amped Ikki is Building level, while the mid end and the high end are both City Block level. Tooru's best feat is using a triple Aegis Desire to barely block K's Large Building level lasers in Vol. 5. Ikki with Ittou Rasetsu is mach 177, faster with Raikou. He should be able to break Aegis Desire before IR runs out with that. Or he can just use Saigeki and break the barriers in one go.

 

[Gemmysaur]

He doesn't even need to contend with Aegis. An MHS Razetsu or HS+ Shura is far too fast for him to think of blocking, much less do it.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

He doesn't even need to contend with Aegis. An MHS Razetsu or HS+ Shura is far too fast for him to think of blocking, much less do it.

He said he couldn't imagine Ikki with Rasetsu would be able to break Aegis Desire, i explained why it would.

 

[Gemmysaur]

He said he couldn't imagine Ikki with Rasetsu would be able to break Aegis Desire, i explained why it would.

Oh. Ok then. Sorry.

 

[GreatestSin]

thanks, ok than we only need 3 more people voting and it can be added to ikkis victorys