Tony Stark Intelligence Upgrade (Comics)

[Tomfer]

I'll be brief on this one: Tony Stark should get upgraded to Supergenius, he has made a bunch of tier 1 armors like; Model 22, Model 38, Model 61, Model 63, and Model 72. With a few of them possessing infinite speed (Just look at Model 22 or 61), and one of them even being empowered by the same magic of the Mjolnir, with Thor saying that he took the "gift of the gods" for himself. Him and his team also made a virtual universe, stating that one could do anything, go anywhere and be anyone. He reverse-engineered a celestial to make Model 72. (All scans and refs are from the profiles themselves)

"Creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for enormously diverse purposes." and "In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases."

Tony aces those requirements for Supergenius.

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ObberGobb's help:​

"And in-verse, the gap between him and Reed or Doom has always been treated as fairly small. And here, "Lord Thor" also says that his technology was nearly a match for Asgardian wizardry. Him singling out Iron Man when talking about massive threats to his reign, even when other characters like Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange attacked him, feels significant."

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good to me, especially with that virtual universe stuff added in.

 

[Tomfer]

Looks good to me, especially with that virtual universe stuff added in.

It's more of a supporting evidence since he did had help in that particular case, saying that he wants to test his programmers and etc. I'll add that to OP.

 

[Tyranno223]

Idk if it's just me, but none of the links work.

 

[Tomfer]

Idk if it's just me, but none of the links work.

All of them work just fine to be. It's all of them, a few or just one link that isn't working? And which one is it?

 

[Tyranno223]

All of them work just fine to be. It's all of them, a few or just one link that isn't working? And which one is it?

Might just be imgur being a pain then. I'll try again later.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I never got why he wasn't a supergenius before. I agree

 

[Phoenks]

Blatant for creating Tier 1 armors including stuff using tier 1 beings/energy to do so.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Agree

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure if he has demonstrated sufficient reality-warping versatility to quite qualify. He seems like a bit of a one-trick pony. Maybe he could get an "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" intelligence rating, similarly to Hank Pym?

 

[Tomfer]

I am not sure if he has demonstrated sufficient reality-warping versatility to quite qualify.

Reality itself, I agree, but he made a suit that absorbs magic, something that we decided to be a L1A force, something I'd say it's far more impressive. I'd say that copying the magic of Mjolnir is a better feat. Other suits that can fight thor should be able to resist magic too.

He seems like a bit of a one-trick pony.

How so?

Maybe he could get an "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" intelligence rating, similarly to Hank Pym?

I'm neutral, if other admins agree on that, I'll accept it.

 

[Antvasima]

Reality itself, I agree, but he made a suit that absorbs magic, something that we decided to be a L1A force, something I'd say it's far more impressive. I'd say that copying the magic of Mjolnir is a better feat. Other suits that can fight thor should be able to resist magic too.

How so?

He is mostly specialised in crafting high-powered armors, not in freely warping reality.

I'm neutral, if other admins agree on that, I'll accept it.

Okay.

 

[Eseseso]

I am not sure if he has demonstrated sufficient reality-warping versatility to quite qualify. He seems like a bit of a one-trick pony. Maybe he could get an "At least Extraordinary Genius, likely Supergenius" intelligence rating, similarly to Hank Pym?

To be fair, I don't think Reed or Doom have created thay many reality warping machines either

 

[Antvasima]

No, but they have created very diverse types of technology to greatly warp the laws of physics as they wish, which is what is intended with that part of the Supergenius intelligence definition.

 

[Excellence616]

I agree with the upgrade.

Weaponising a Celestial is no easy feat.

 

[ObberGobb]

I agree

 

[Tomfer]

He is mostly specialised in crafting high-powered armors, not in freely warping reality.

It's unfair to think like that since he has made far more impressive feats than just warping reality. I think the only reason he has not Supergenius at this moment is because of a technicality.

 

[Phoenks]

"He isn't warping reality enough"

Excuse me? Last I checked this wasn't a requirement for Supergenius. Not everyone needs to warp reality through their methods to achieve the tier.

Also, making a beyond-dimensional Tier High 1-B being into a suit of Tier High 1-B armor is VASTLY more impressive to the point that such an argument is practically irrelevant.

Let's not be silly about this.

 

[Shadow-Ragna]

I agree that Tony should be Supergenius with the level of intelligence he was shown.

Plus he was shown to be highly smart and impressed beings like Odin (Fear Itself), and Rune King Thor (As OP shown with the links). Plus he was noted to be up there with the geniuses like Reed and Doctor Doom. And as Phoenks said making a beyond-dimensional tier High 1-B being into a suit of armour that is High 1-B is VERY damn impressive.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I agree + peak upgrade

Also warping reality is not necessary, it’s just one of the possible ways to show. Stanford Pines has Supergenius Intelligence for creating Tier 1 stuff, and Iron Man is way, waaaaay ahead of this.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I agree + peak upgrade

Also warping reality is not necessary, it’s just one of the possible ways to show. Stanford Pines has Supergenius Intelligence for creating Tier 1 stuff, and Iron Man is way, waaaaay ahead of this.

That sounds like we might have to downgrade stanford instead

Jest jest. I honestly do support the upgrade. While I understand where Ant is coming from (which people, what he is saying is that Tony is good in one specific area, while people like Doom and Reed can rival his expertise (if not surpass it) and also master all other manner of tech and sciences; that's what separates them here), the sheer fact is: Tony is just insane. Like, while he may be taken as a "one trick pony" compared to the aforementioned, he takes it to a whole new level with his engineering prowess.

 

[ShionAH]

That sounds like we might have to downgrade stanford instead

Don't touch the 6 fingered boi!!

 

[Tomfer]

Gravity Falls wank has gone on long enough.

 

[Antvasima]

The issue here is that Tony can produce weapons with very high attack potency, but he has also not demonstrated anywhere near sufficient versatility that I know of, and both of these qualities in combination are requirements to qualify for the Supergenius statistic.

My apologies, but we need to follow our standards even for characters that we really like.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The issue here is that Tony can produce weapons with very high attack potency, but he has also not demonstrated anywhere near sufficient versatility that I know of, and both of these qualities in combination are requirements to qualify for the Supergenius statistic.

My apologies, but we need to follow our standards even for characters that we really like.

"or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases" ~ Intelligence

I think Tony apsolutely qualifies, cause that man has replicated and made a bunch of tier 1 shit and held his own against the tier 1s.

If reverse-engineering a Beyond Dimensional 1 being isn't Supergenius, what is man?

 

[Antvasima]

He can almost only use his inventions for blunt force purposes though. Also, wasn't the "Celestial" armor that he used to help Thor fight the Hulk only capable of using force blasts against his opponent, not remotely warp reality as it wishes as real Celestials can. That hardly qualifies as true reverse-engineering.

I am fine with "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius", but Tony genuinely hasn't quite demonstrated our full standards for a straight Supergenius rating yet, so unless somebody can show me better examples, he just matter of fact doesn't qualify, and that's it. My apologies.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He can almost only use his inventions for blunt force purposes though. Also, wasn't the "Celestial" armor that he used to help Thor fight the Hulk only capable of using force blastas against his opponent, not remotely warp reality as it wishes as real Celestials can. That hardly qualifies as true reverse-engineering.

I am fine with "At least Extraordinary Genius, possibly Supergenius", but Tony genuinely hasn't quite demonstrated our full standards for a straight Supergenius rating yet, so unless somebody can show me better examples, he just matter of fact doesn't qualify, and that's it. My apologies.

Ant, mate. Your own intelligence page disagrees with you. Just whipping out tier 1 tech from your arse is considered sufficient for SG.

 

[Antvasima]

No it isn't. That is a misunderstanding. The combination of extremely versatile reality-warping technology and literally infinite power output is sufficient to qualify.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases.

Note how it says “or”, not “and”. Heck, it is considered “higher case” and is emphasized as something better than just reality-warping by saying “even”. There is no misunderstanding here, Tony definitely qualifies.

 

[Antvasima]

Or is here referring to a comparison with a High 3-A energy output. It would be far too easy to gain a Supergenius intelligence rating if the only thing that is required is to live in a verse with extremely inconsistent power levels, where characters routinely go up and down from tier 5-B to High 1-A, and somebody, for example, built a bomb to take out another character when it was portrayed at one of its lowest levels.

The intention of the one who wrote our Intelligence page (me) is that a combination of reality-warping versatility and literally infinite power output is required for Supergenius. If that is currently unclear, I am very open for suggestions how to slightly adjust the wording to avoid misunderstandings.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If Tony’s inventions harmed Tier 1 due to inconsistency, then the inventions should be downgraded from Tier 1 via a separate CRT, if this is a problem. Otherwise, those inventions are indeed Tier 1 no matter how the verse is inconsistent overall.

If you disagree specifically for the lack of reality-warping abilities, then there should be a separate staff thread for the rewording and potentially a note that Tier 1 inventions are not enough and reality-warping & infinite power are the actual requirements, because here is not a place to do that. I know that you made the Intelligence page and I highly respect that, but the phrase “or even” suggests that either one is way to qualify, and the feats after “even” (Tier 1 technology) are better and more impressive than the ones before it (Reality-warping & infinite power technology).

Your intentions may have been different than what you actually wrote, but what is written on the page as of right now takes precedence. Either the page should change via Staff Discussion thread, or Tony should become SG. Because given the current wording of the Intelligence page, Tony should qualify. (Also, I did not want to sound rude, sorry if I was.)

 

[HelloThere1089]

I am seeing some confusion on the qualifiers here so Imma just leave this here and y'all can decide:

Supergenius: The highest level of non-omniscient intellect, possessed by individuals with unfathomably superhuman intelligence who are capable of creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for enormously diverse purposes.

In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well. Meaning that there should be an enormous amount of versatility combined with an infinite scale of power and preferably range.

However, take note that, in order to qualify, characters genuinely have to invent things on their own, not mostly rely on already extremely futuristic settings.

Other ways to qualify through non-technological means are to be able to process and understand literally infinite amounts of information, or to design entire realities of infinite complexity through skill and comprehension, rather than just wishing them into existence, and feats of a comparable scale may also reach a Supergenius rating.

I put the key points being argued here in bold. From the looks of it, you do need to show versatility on top of sheer AP. Neutral for now.

Also I would like to know if Tony made those armors from scratch since that seems to be a requirement too.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I am seeing some confusion on the qualifiers here so Imma just leave this here and y'all can decide:

I put the key points being argued here in bold. From the looks of it, you do need to show versatility on top of sheer AP. Neutral for now.

Also I would like to know if Tony made those armors from scratch since that seems to be a requirement too.

Oh wow, didn't realize the versatility thing was part of the official requirements.

Either way, I think the CRT provides enough examples to indicate such versatility, so I agree with the upgrade.

 

[karo_senpaii]

If Tony’s inventions harmed Tier 1 due to inconsistency, then the inventions should be downgraded from Tier 1 via a separate CRT, if this is a problem. Otherwise, those inventions are indeed Tier 1 no matter how the verse is inconsistent overall.

If you disagree specifically for the lack of reality-warping abilities, then there should be a separate staff thread for the rewording and potentially a note that Tier 1 inventions are not enough and reality-warping & infinite power are the actual requirements, because here is not a place to do that. I know that you made the Intelligence page and I highly respect that, but the phrase “or even” suggests that either one is way to qualify, and the feats after “even” (Tier 1 technology) are better and more impressive than the ones before it (Reality-warping & infinite power technology).

Your intentions may have been different than what you actually wrote, but what is written on the page as of right now takes precedence. Either the page should change via Staff Discussion thread, or Tony should become SG. Because given the current wording of the Intelligence page, Tony should qualify. (Also, I did not want to sound rude, sorry if I was.)

I thikn ant is right. There was emphasis on versatility from what i read. People are just picking the tier 1 stuff alone

 

[HammerStrikes219]

https://www.cbr.com/iron-mans-best-inventions/

He does have inventions outside of his armor sets, but other than that, it seems reasonable to put him up there

 

[Phoenks]

Intelligence page needs a rework regardless, it's pretty garbage right now actually. Lot of weird wordings and arbitrary nonsense. Also, sometimes Ant refers to them as "suggestions," and then other times he says they are "requirements," depending on if it suits his personal belief. If anything, it seems he's the one with a bias here.

Also, his intelligence section mentions that he also made an entire universe.

There so many esoteric aspects of his creations on top of them being ridiculously high tier that I don't see how you can try to spin this into being extraordinary genius.

It's completely disingenuous.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Also, his intelligence section mentions that he also made an entire universe.

...how is this not Supergenius yet?

 

[Shadow-Ragna]

Not only that but Tony even create a digital armour made of an entire world which is the eScape a Solid hologram.

The eScape was a digital platform created by Stark Unlimited. It consisted of a virtual universe intended to amplify the human experience which also allowed its users to go anywhere, become anyone and do anything. The eScape was populated by a myriad of A.I.s acting as Non-player characters. Under a hedonistic pretense, Tony Stark secretly developed the eScape to test if A.I.s and humans could interact on every level as equals, since he was fearing for his own humanity after having reconstructed the entirety of his body from scratch to escape death.

And among many more insane armour creations.

 

[ObberGobb]

I haven't read the story. Was the eScape just a digital world, as in a computer simulation, or was it actually its own universe? The Marvel wiki describes the "Thirteenth Floor," which is what the eScape was apparently reformatted to, as a "virtual reality," a "dimensionally-shunted plane of existence built entirely of solid light," and says that
"Humans can't access it or even comprehend its existence." Is that correct?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Instead of y'all just throwing all the feats here, the OP should add scans for versatility.