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Toneri moon moving thingy
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give me some time.
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wait what.
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BlackeJan said:
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No.
The Kages asked A to wait for one hour before firing the chakra cannon. Once the fight between Naruto and Toneri draws to a close, the Raikage says there are 10 minutes left before he is allowed to fire the chakra cannon
They did fight for 50 minutes.
The Kages asked A to wait for one hour before firing the chakra cannon. Once the fight between Naruto and Toneri draws to a close, the Raikage says there are 10 minutes left before he is allowed to fire the chakra cannon
They did fight for 50 minutes.
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A singular point against multiple others proving they did not fight for 50 minutes.....
It doesn't even make sense for them to fight that lony considering how Naruto basically no sold each of Toneri's attacks in the first minute of battle. Why would he hold back Kinrin Tensei Baku for like, 49 minutes when nothing else worked
It doesn't even make sense for them to fight that lony considering how Naruto basically no sold each of Toneri's attacks in the first minute of battle. Why would he hold back Kinrin Tensei Baku for like, 49 minutes when nothing else worked
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All of your points are based on the out-of-universe timeframe, which is unreliable.
An actual statement from the Raikage says they waited for 50 minutes.
An actual statement from the Raikage says they waited for 50 minutes.
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Was the 50 minutes of them traveling to the moon and fighting or just fighting though
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The kinetic energy of moving the moon significantly increases if they choose a much lesser timeframe.
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Well yes, as it would result in an upgrade, but no, as Kep denied it.
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Low 5-B becomes 5-B, iirc.
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Does speed change?....hmmm....well tbh we can't really say that this was less then 50 mins but we can't also avoid that sometimes anime's don't ACTUALLY go w/ the movie/episode timeframe then what is actually going on
For example: SSJ Goku vs Frieza in Namek and even though it took like what 2-3 episodes truthfully they r moving so fast that I'm sure the fight lasted 10-20 minutes....I propose a compromise
For example: SSJ Goku vs Frieza in Namek and even though it took like what 2-3 episodes truthfully they r moving so fast that I'm sure the fight lasted 10-20 minutes....I propose a compromise
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There is no anime versin of The Last or even manga version the movie is the canon version.
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There's no reason at all to go with 8 minutes. The Raikage himself said it was 50 minutes.
Toneri should stay at Low 5-B.
Toneri should stay at Low 5-B.
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The fight lasted 5 minutes because that was said. They were just moving that fast. The fight lasted 50 minutes because that's what was said. Toneri didn't use his strongest attack due to CIS (which is different than PIS, Btw)
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Even the Novelization uses 50 min timeframe+
and the book is literally made to give more details on the film
and the book is literally made to give more details on the film
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Even with CIS though, to not make of use a move after the last one didn't for 49 minutes sounds very bizzare.
That said, I don't really care much about this. Toneri being upgraded or not is not my call and I'm fine wherever he's at.
That said, I don't really care much about this. Toneri being upgraded or not is not my call and I'm fine wherever he's at.
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Cinematic Time is a wonderful thing.
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It doesn't become 5-B, we would obviously use the Low 5-B one, also link for novelization?
Anyway, support for 50 minutes
- Kakashi asked for an hour and when the moon was cut, there were ten minutes left(could even be for chakra canon recharging tho)
What supports 8 minutes
-Toneri using nearly all his attacks within 1 minute and not working, no reason to hold off KTB for 49 minutes
-Shikamaru and Sai taking 50 mins to find Salura when they were shot out at the exact same location, and Sakura ia pink haired woman walking on the barren moon lol
- No reason why an impatient man such as the Raikage couldn't have been referring to 10 minutes left for his chakra canon to charge especially when it's explicitly shown to be charging
-They cannot possibly rescue Toneri, carve the symbol then dissapear from the moon's surface in 10 minutes when Kurama took likely over a minute to carve one stroke of the letter
Anyway, support for 50 minutes
- Kakashi asked for an hour and when the moon was cut, there were ten minutes left(could even be for chakra canon recharging tho)
What supports 8 minutes
-Toneri using nearly all his attacks within 1 minute and not working, no reason to hold off KTB for 49 minutes
-Shikamaru and Sai taking 50 mins to find Salura when they were shot out at the exact same location, and Sakura ia pink haired woman walking on the barren moon lol
- No reason why an impatient man such as the Raikage couldn't have been referring to 10 minutes left for his chakra canon to charge especially when it's explicitly shown to be charging
-They cannot possibly rescue Toneri, carve the symbol then dissapear from the moon's surface in 10 minutes when Kurama took likely over a minute to carve one stroke of the letter
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> - No reason why an impatient man such as the Raikage couldn't have been referring to 10 minutes left for his chakra canon to charge especially when it's explicitly shown to be charging
No. He said "Hokage...there's just 10 minutes left". It was a reference to the conversation he had beforehand with the Kages.
There's literally no evidence for 8 minutes other than "it's ridiculous that they'd take long to do this', and there is conclusive evidence that 50 minutes passed. Therefore, what the characters say take precedence. Sorry.
No. He said "Hokage...there's just 10 minutes left". It was a reference to the conversation he had beforehand with the Kages.
There's literally no evidence for 8 minutes other than "it's ridiculous that they'd take long to do this', and there is conclusive evidence that 50 minutes passed. Therefore, what the characters say take precedence. Sorry.
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> -Toneri using nearly all his attacks within 1 minute and not working, no reason to hold off KTB for 49 minutes
1 minute of movie time does not equal 1 minute in-universe
> -Shikamaru and Sai taking 50 mins to find Salura when they were shot out at the exact same location, and Sakura ia pink haired woman walking on the barren moon lol
Taking 50 minutes to find someone on a 3474km wide moon is a good tracking feat, not a low-end showing.
> -They cannot possibly rescue Toneri, carve the symbol then dissapear from the moon's surface in 10 minutes when Kurama took likely over a minute to carve one stroke of the letter.
Correction: Kurama carving a ~50km wide letter on the Moon's surface in ten minutes.
1 minute of movie time does not equal 1 minute in-universe
> -Shikamaru and Sai taking 50 mins to find Salura when they were shot out at the exact same location, and Sakura ia pink haired woman walking on the barren moon lol
Taking 50 minutes to find someone on a 3474km wide moon is a good tracking feat, not a low-end showing.
> -They cannot possibly rescue Toneri, carve the symbol then dissapear from the moon's surface in 10 minutes when Kurama took likely over a minute to carve one stroke of the letter.
Correction: Kurama carving a ~50km wide letter on the Moon's surface in ten minutes.
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"No. He said "Hokage...there's just 10 minutes left". It was a reference to the conversation he had beforehand with the Kages."
Quite an open ended sentence, we see his chakra canon charging up, given his nature, it is highly likely he actually meant 10 mins for the canon
"1 minute of movie time does not equal 1 minute in-universe"
So what timeframe do you suggest?
"Taking 50 minutes to find someone on a 3474km wide moon is a good tracking feat, not a low-end showing"
Really? Even tho they were shot out at the exact same place? Even tho they are ninjas with MHS+ speed who with even the lowest speed in the category could search for a pink haired woman in seconds?
"Correction: Kurama carving a ~50km wide letter on the Moon's surface in ten minutes."
What makes it 50 km wide?
Quite an open ended sentence, we see his chakra canon charging up, given his nature, it is highly likely he actually meant 10 mins for the canon
"1 minute of movie time does not equal 1 minute in-universe"
So what timeframe do you suggest?
"Taking 50 minutes to find someone on a 3474km wide moon is a good tracking feat, not a low-end showing"
Really? Even tho they were shot out at the exact same place? Even tho they are ninjas with MHS+ speed who with even the lowest speed in the category could search for a pink haired woman in seconds?
"Correction: Kurama carving a ~50km wide letter on the Moon's surface in ten minutes."
What makes it 50 km wide?
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> Quite an open ended sentence, we see his chakra canon charging up, given his nature, it is highly likely he actually meant 10 mins for the cano
It's not at all an ambiguous sentence. We see him saying the chakra cannon is already above 90% and that's he is going to fire it. After being told by Kakashi and the others to wait 1 hour, we later see him saying "Hokage...there's just ten minutes left".
The context is very obviously on the timeframe of one hour. There's literally no proof of anything else.
> So what timeframe do you suggest?
It's unquantifiable.
> Really? Even tho they were shot out at the exact same place? Even tho they are ninjas with MHS+ speed who with even the lowest speed in the category could search for a pink haired woman in seconds?
Which just means they weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene. If they were, they'd take five seconds to cross the Moon, which obviously isn't what happened.
> What makes it 50 km wide?
The craters on the Moon are often more than 100km in width. Since the shinobi sign was readily visible from the Earth, it'd need to be several dozen kilometers in size, at least.
It's not at all an ambiguous sentence. We see him saying the chakra cannon is already above 90% and that's he is going to fire it. After being told by Kakashi and the others to wait 1 hour, we later see him saying "Hokage...there's just ten minutes left".
The context is very obviously on the timeframe of one hour. There's literally no proof of anything else.
> So what timeframe do you suggest?
It's unquantifiable.
> Really? Even tho they were shot out at the exact same place? Even tho they are ninjas with MHS+ speed who with even the lowest speed in the category could search for a pink haired woman in seconds?
Which just means they weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene. If they were, they'd take five seconds to cross the Moon, which obviously isn't what happened.
> What makes it 50 km wide?
The craters on the Moon are often more than 100km in width. Since the shinobi sign was readily visible from the Earth, it'd need to be several dozen kilometers in size, at least.
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It's not at all an ambiguous sentence. We see him saying the chakra cannon is already above 90% and that's he is going to fire it. After being told by Kakashi and the others to wait 1 hour, we later see him saying "Hokage...there's just ten minutes left".
The context is very obviously on the timeframe of one hour. There's literally no proof of anything else.
It is though, we haven't seen the cannon being fully charged, which can easily mean "Hokage, there's only 10 minutes left (for the canon to charge)"
It's unquantifiable.
So that makes the feat itself void doesn't it?
Which just means they weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene. If they were, they'd take five seconds to cross the Moon, which obviously isn't what happened.
So they were MHS+ throughout the war and they lost their speed at this very convenient moment?
The craters on the Moon are often more than 100km in width. Since the shinobi sign was readily visible from the Earth, it'd need to be several dozen kilometers in size, at least.
Except it was being viewed through magnifying. That letter being 50 km wide would make Kurama 50 km tall/wide which is larger than than the Ten Tails
The context is very obviously on the timeframe of one hour. There's literally no proof of anything else.
It is though, we haven't seen the cannon being fully charged, which can easily mean "Hokage, there's only 10 minutes left (for the canon to charge)"
It's unquantifiable.
So that makes the feat itself void doesn't it?
Which just means they weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene. If they were, they'd take five seconds to cross the Moon, which obviously isn't what happened.
So they were MHS+ throughout the war and they lost their speed at this very convenient moment?
The craters on the Moon are often more than 100km in width. Since the shinobi sign was readily visible from the Earth, it'd need to be several dozen kilometers in size, at least.
Except it was being viewed through magnifying. That letter being 50 km wide would make Kurama 50 km tall/wide which is larger than than the Ten Tails
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> It is though, we haven't seen the cannon being fully charged, which can easily mean "Hokage, there's only 10 minutes left (for the canon to charge)"
It's not ambiguous. Literally right before that, we saw Kakashi and the others asking him to wait one hour longer, and him grunting but accepting it. The fact that he mentioned the Hokage at all already proves he was referring to the one hour conversation, which is the only thing that can be proven here. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
> So that makes the feat itself void doesn't it?
The timeframe for Toneri to use his attack is unquantifiable. The fight itself lasted 50 minutes as stated in the movie.
> So they were MHS+ throughout the war and they lost their speed at this very convenient moment?
No, it's called an anti-feat/low-end showing. They weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene, as I proved.
> Except it was being viewed through magnifying. That letter being 50 km wide would make Kurama 50 km tall/wide which is larger than than the Ten Tails
Considering Kurama's head alone has been calc'ed at 50m, that crater is easily still a few kilometers in size. Nothing implausible.
It's not ambiguous. Literally right before that, we saw Kakashi and the others asking him to wait one hour longer, and him grunting but accepting it. The fact that he mentioned the Hokage at all already proves he was referring to the one hour conversation, which is the only thing that can be proven here. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.
> So that makes the feat itself void doesn't it?
The timeframe for Toneri to use his attack is unquantifiable. The fight itself lasted 50 minutes as stated in the movie.
> So they were MHS+ throughout the war and they lost their speed at this very convenient moment?
No, it's called an anti-feat/low-end showing. They weren't portrayed as MHS+ on that scene, as I proved.
> Except it was being viewed through magnifying. That letter being 50 km wide would make Kurama 50 km tall/wide which is larger than than the Ten Tails
Considering Kurama's head alone has been calc'ed at 50m, that crater is easily still a few kilometers in size. Nothing implausible.
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