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Tohru vs Sans

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My dude we stopped using KR like that long ago and won't start doing it again. It's nothing more than fan theories.

Also you can't just slap a list of abilities like that and hope that this will make him win. With how Sans actually uses these powers, he just teleports spam and slowly chips at one's soul with his attacks. Nothing more.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
My dude we stopped using KR like that long ago and won't start doing it again. It's nothing more than fan theories.

Also you can't just slap a list of abilities like that and hope that this will make him win. With how Sans actually uses these powers, he just teleports spam and slowly chips at one's soul with his attacks. Nothing more.
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If we stopped treating KR like that why is it still known as KARMA in his profile
 
It being named karma does not mean that it deals damage based on one's sins. It's just a name. It's meaningless by itself.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It being named karma does not mean that it deals damage based on one's sins. It's just a name. It's meaningless by itself.
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Might want to change it I guess.

But regardless KR will still harm Tohru since it killed chara even in roughly 9 hits at most.

So really Tohru will still lose via Kr not to mention gravity manipulation and telekinesis will greatly counter her ability is flying, soul manipulation counter's invisibility, spatial manipulation and reality warping will confuse her even more and Sans' cunning and Intelligent mind will outsmart Tohru.

I still say sans wins and yes if your claim to debunk Kr is that just because some people say Kr depends on kills that does not mean it is based on kills and sins well.... just because some people say Kr is NOT based on kills and sins does not mean KR is not based on killing or sins.
 
Apatheticskell said:
But regardless KR will still harm Tohru since it killed chara even in roughly 9 hits at most.

So really Tohru will still lose via Kr
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You can't just say "I think this is how it should be so it is." Idk a thing about Undertale but those who do have decided on this way of going about things so that's how it'll stay.

soul manipulation counter's invisibility

ok but why tho

spatial manipulation and reality warping will confuse her even more

Depends on how they work.

and Sans' cunning and Intelligent mind will outsmart Tohru.

Tohru's not an idiot either, she's been around for several thousands if not millions of years and a good portion of that has been in combat.
 
It's the actual name of the thing in the files of the game, so no.

KR is just soul poison. Also yeah no, Sans never killed Chara in 9 hits.

Also Saptial Manip and Reality Warping are meaningless for Sans. It's really just him teleporting.

Just because you say it's based on sins does not mean it's based on sins. You're the one who needs proofs for this. Either way it's not the thread to discuss the validity of powers.
 
You can't just say "I think this is how it should be so it is." Idk a thing about Undertale but those who do have decided on this way of going about things so that's how it'll stay.

soul manipulation counter's invisibility

ok but why tho

spatial manipulation and reality warping will confuse her even more

Depends on how they work.

and Sans' cunning and Intelligent mind will outsmart Tohru.

Tohru's not an idiot either, she's been around for several thousands if not millions of years and a good portion of that has been in combat.

Soul manipulation counters invisibility because your soul is not part of your body meaning Tohru can make her body invisible but not her soul perfect for sans.

Also Sans is has awareness of multiple timeline nes in his universe via 4th wall awareness so he can likely break the 4th wall to learn all about Tohru.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
It's the actual name of the thing in the files of the game, so no.

KR is just soul poison. Also yeah no, Sans never killed Chara in 9 hits.

Also Saptial Manip and Reality Warping are meaningless for Sans. It's really just him teleporting.

Just because you say it's based on sins does not mean it's based on sins. You're the one who needs proofs for this. Either way it's not the thread to discuss the validity of powers.
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He did Kr deals 10 hp damage to chara when chara had 92 HP so yes he did kill character on 9 hits
 
Prove it why 4th wall breaking does not work that way.

There have been multiple characters who have broken the 4th wall in order to learn about the other characters hence why sans knows we can reset with the alternate timeline theory.
 
Enough with the 4th wall breaking as an argument. Sans has done research and doesn't even know that with certainty. If I didn't vote yet, tohru fra.
 
You're not aware of the concept of "burden of proof", are you? You're the one making unsupported claims like "Sans can learn about her via 4th wall awareness", you're the one needing to prove it. Especially since Sans has never even came close to being able to do this.
 
Wokistan said:
Enough with the 4th wall breaking as an argument. Sans has done research and doesn't even know that with certainty. If I didn't vote yet, tohru fra.
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Well he directly breaks the 4th wall when the player achieves and impossible neutral route.

He breaks it again and this time he broke it twice during the snowdin portion of the game.
 
You need to prove he can do that application with it that is not how it works by default

Also, inferences are a thing, and he does not know any of this with certainty.
 
Apatheticskell said:
Also you can't research about a character that literally does not fully exist in the game
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So is irl theology just not a thing or...
 
Did you even play the game...? Sans' dialogue explicitly says that he knows about the Anomaly via studying the timelines that keep popping in and out of existence. That's pretty much his entire knowledge about the thing.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Did you even play the game...? Sans' dialogue explicitly says that he knows about the Anomaly via studying the timelines that keep popping in and out of existence. That's pretty much his entire knowledge about the thing.
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He knows timelines of fighting the player stopping and starting until everything sans knows ends
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
And people wonder why no one takes the undertale fanbase seriously.

Tohru stomps.
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If she did stomp Idk why wast this listed as a fair battle by litterarly by admins them selves.
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
And people wonder why no one takes the undertale fanbase seriously.

Tohru stomps.
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You should really stop assuming that people who vote for an Undertale character are part of the Undertale fanbase
 
Asuka the Demonic Empress said:
And people wonder why no one takes the undertale fanbase seriously.
Tohru stomps.
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Im being serious he literally says it during the fight he keeps on fighting the player if they do genocide in a constant loop ending and reseting the game he never forgets about every time they do genocide and every time they kill papyrus, would sans karmic retribution be included though?
 
Im being serious he literally says it during the fight he keeps on fighting the player if they do genocide in a constant loop ending and reseting the game he never forgets about every time they do genocide and every time they kill papyrus, would sans karmic retribution be included though?

Yess Kr will one shot Tohru so Sans stomps regardless of Speeed being equalized or not
 
Would you look at that? Three replies because i cant take the "Sans can learn of tohru because he is 4th wall aware" argument seriously.


Grow up, all three of you.
 
Apatheticskell said:
Im being serious he literally says it during the fight he keeps on fighting the player if they do genocide in a constant loop ending and reseting the game he never forgets about every time they do genocide and every time they kill papyrus, would sans karmic retribution be included though?
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Yess Kr will one shot Tohru so Sans stomps regardless of Speeed being equalized or not

Karmic retribution is like poison it will slowly kill her
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Did you even play the game...? Sans' dialogue explicitly says that he knows about the Anomaly via studying the timelines that keep popping in and out of existence. That's pretty much his entire knowledge about the thing.
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Ahem he also broke the 4th wall during an impossible neutral route and by studying and research it just might have been studying or researching via 4th wall
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
Just letting you two know now I'm not counting any votes that involve KR or 4th wall stuff.
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Then that makes this thread a total stomp
 
Apatheticskell said:
Arrogant Schmuck said:
Just letting you two know now I'm not counting any votes that involve KR or 4th wall stuff.
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Don't it still doesn't change the fact Sans would win.
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Sans still wins my vote goes to him still
 
Well actually KR is still soul manipulation, it just doesn't rely on kill count, so I suppose I could still count votes based on it.
 
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