[To Aru] Ain Sof Aur 000 potential revision

[MrOMG]

Hi
Let's talk today about a nonexistent character (probably literally nonexistent character) in ToAru. The one who is on top of everything and the one who created the whole world.
And the goal of this thread is to at least add a God like character

Spoiler

The Sephiroth Tree is a hierarchical structure that categorizes humans, angels and demons into 10 levels. And in fact shows how God controls everything and everyone, but at the same time the position of God in the Tree of Sephiroth is not present.

"The so-called Tree of Life is basically a hierarchy of identities, separating God, angels, humans and souls into ten levels on a pyramid; this is the basic concept."

"It's based on the picture drawn out to show that God reigns supreme over everything. Well, simply put, this picture shows that humans can only reach a certain level, and beyond is God's territory, so it can't be invaded."

"The number of humans and angels were already decided, thus in ordinary circumstances, humans are definitely unable to be promoted to become angels. In contrast, angels are never to be demoted to be humans."

"Because every single realm is already filled up."

アイン【0】 [その他]セフイロトの樹 に描かれていない「神の領域」の事。

アインソフ 【00】 [その他一セフィロトの樹に描かれていない神の領域]の事。

アインソ フオウル【000】 その他一セフィロトの樹に描かれていない「神の領域」 の事.

“System?”
“That is the term for one who is not a god yet reaches the will of the heavens. Our goal iss omething beyond Level 5. We humans do not understand the truth of this world.
However, that makes things simple. If someone who has a status above that of a humana ppeared, that person would be able to understand God’s response.”
[...]
Ain Soph Aur, Ain Soph, Ain.
000, 00, 0.
As God’s territory could not be understood by humans and the concept could not bee xpressed by humans, it was not shown on the Sephiroth.
However, a religious system had appeared to take advantage of that.
Their doctrine stated that, if humans could not understand, they merely had to gainb odies that surpassed those of humans.
They claimed that humans were gods in the process of being purified, so they could gaint he bodies of gods and freely use the techniques of God by training themselves. Theyw ere the first mavericks of the Christian Church and they were even considereda dangerous by the Apostle John. It was known as Gnosticism.

`The secret spell of Rota can be flipped around to make Taro, thus it can be converted into the cards that indicate the 10 spheres and the 22 pathways. Awaken, 78 cards. You are the one and only proper entrance to the light pouring down from beyond the tree – that is, the Ain Soph Aur, Ain Soph, Ain!!”

A violent white light exploded from the emptiness at the center of the card circle.

A beam of light sharper than a razor scorched the air as it rushed toward Kamijou’s right arm. The all-destroying dragon maw was split in two. While he was dragged around by the chaotically thrashing dragon, even more blood gushed from the boy’s shoulder.

"Whatever. Anyways, the 'Kabbalah' represents the 'soul level' of God: Angels, humans, et cetera. Simply put, humans can climb the ranks with training. But, at some point, they'll hit a wall they can't climb."



"...You're treating me like an idiot, aren't you? What are you trying to say?"



"Is your pride hurt? What I'm trying to say is… there are some disciplines that humans can't reach no matter how much they try. But, humans do want to continue their ascent no matter what. Magicians became magicians because they want to surpass human limits. If so, what must humans do to surpass this limit?" His expression seemed like he would rip his sneer apart. "It's simple. They just need to borrow the power from something that isn't human." Kamijou could not speak.

And as you may already know, the Sephiroth Tree is organized into Four Worlds

"Anyway, Angel Fall is a spell that forcefully pulls an angel down from above, and this will affect the four worlds—in other words, the original world, the world of creation, the formed world and the physical world."

"…Eh, Tsuchimikado-sensei, may I know what language this Missy is speaking?"

"I'll explain this. Like what you see, Kami-yan, everyone's inside and outside have switched. This is like a musical chairs game, once the game starts, the chairs and the people sitting on the chairs will change completely. But in this game, not everyone will get a chair eventually. The only one left without a seat will be squeezed into the sky—to sit on the chair that the angel originally vacated."

And maybe the Four Worlds have infinite recursion

"Know that Horus is not a mere descendent of dead gods, but the foundation of the forces which shall cleanse the world of the accumulated stains of the cross. Correspondence, correspondence, correspondence. Shake the star which holds the opposing peaks of Da'at and Yesod."

It was like the air had solidified with human killer intent. The extreme mental state much like "getting into character" ruled the dark container yard.

It was all remade into a tranquil sacred ground.

"Distort."

One of the two voices sometimes passed the other, sometimes was passed by the other, and sometimes coincided perfectly with the other.

It was like two different equilateral triangles lining up and moving apart to create a different shape and provide different meaning from moment to moment. The combination of the limited resources called in endless possibility.

"The separate image of the Four Worlds from which power is drawn becomes a different Four Worlds like the moon's reflection in a lake."

And humans are incapable of describing God's territory in letters or numbers.

Even then, Aleister Crowley still existed in the center of Academy City.

But at the same time, Aleister Crowley existed before Fiamma.

Multiple versions of him such as a clone did not exist.

It was just that the single one of him existed in multiple locations.

It was a phenomenon that destroyed the basic concept of counting, but that was just what the domain at the top was like. The Sephirot used various words and numbers to create an explanation of the spiritual world, but organizations above a certain level could not be explained using words, so they were intentionally omitted.

Did someone who entered that domain reach one of those upper organizations or did reaching one of those upper organizations cause one's domain to transform into that domain?

At any rate, Crowley was in a different dimension.

He was in a higher place than Fiamma who had declared he held the power needed to save all of humanity while he was still an existence that could be counted with that world's numbers.

「セフィロトの樹」はカバラの神秘と奥儀を表したもので、「生命の樹」とも呼ばれている。10個の球体「セフィラ」、3本の柱と22本の径「チャネル」で構成されたこの図形の上には、描かれていないもの=神の叡智そのものがあるとされている。セフィロトの樹は、あくまでも人間の世界を描いたものなのだ。ゆえに、セフィロトの外=異界にいる神や天使といった存在は、人間とは全く格の違う存在であり、たとえ聖人といえどもたどり着けない存在である。この考えは学園都市の目指す「SYSTEM（神ならぬ身にて天上の意志に辿り着くもの）」とも類似するものである。

And territory of god was described as the series of zeroes

We shall arrive beyond Keter! We need not fear the unknown territory that is no more than a series of zeroes!!”

 

[MrOMG]

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[Jeeeeepil123]

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[ShadeyD]

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[MrOMG]

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[Churronzon]

3-A Ain Soph with 0 abilities looks good

 

[Iiliminal]

well i suppose it could get At least High 1-C

 

[MrOMG]

well i suppose it could get At least High 1-C

Shouldn't he be at least 1-B for total superiority over the whole world?

 

[Iiliminal]

im not sure tbh

 

[Axscell]

Not really much of a point to making a profile for the character, when we know next to nothing about them as far as tiering and abilities are concerned.

 

[MrOMG]

Not really much of a point to making a profile for the character, when we know next to nothing about them as far as tiering and abilities are concerned.

We already have some characteristics of God, like that he is superior to everything and that he cannot be described by human concepts. And God is supposed to create a new world after the Mo Atair ceremony, with a new generation of Adam and Eve (according to Coronzon the next generation can be of any form).

 

[Axscell]

We already have some characteristics of God, like that he is superior to everything and that he cannot be described by human concepts. And God is supposed to create a new world after the Mo Atair ceremony, with a new generation of Adam and Eve (according to Coronzon the next generation can be of any form).

I find that Toaru's various descriptions of God and things that have to do with such a being tend to run into problems of inconsistency and contradiction, when it's not been made explicitly clear what such a being is (if they even actually exist as an entity) and how exactly do they exist in relation to everything else within the verse.

Again, we know next to nothing in terms of abilities that they could potentially possess or what tier they could be (ranging anywhere from 3-A to 1-A).

It doesn't help that almost every recent description and reference to said God has been in regards to a, as of right now, poorly fleshed out hierarchy of souls. A system that Kamachi has done little to nothing to explain what said ranking of souls translates to in any meaningful way (especially in terms of power/AP/tier) other than flowery language and incomprehensible word salad from characters chanting spells and whatnot.

This "God" supposedly recreating the world after the Coronzon's ceremony doesn't exactly offer much for tiering other than just slapping a token High 1-C rating on him, and calling it a day IMO.