Time to play with ghosts!

[LordDestroit10K]

Well my first thread, so here we go…

In Chozenshuu 4 (page 155) Gotenks' attack is described as releasing ectoplasmic energy ( エクトプラズム状の気) through his mouth.



In the Super Exciting Guide, the attack it’s defined as a spirits ghosts, it’s also said this in Daizenshuu 4:



And Daizenshuu 2:



So we can determine that the ghosts attack is spiritual and ectoplasmic, so my proposal with this thread is to give Gotenks and Buutenks ectoplasm manipulation, and reinforce that Ki has non-physical interaction properties, since Buu and Vegetto could interact with these spirit beings made of ectoplasm.



Adding to the fact that Gohan can do the same in the anime:



Agreement: @LephyrTheRevanchist

Neutral:

Disagreement:

 

[Killerdrone123]

Looks simple enough I agree

Also can someone please move it to content revision

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I completely agree with this

 

[TiltedFN]

Can a staff move this to content revision, it was posted in the wrong catagory

 

[RoninSlayer200]

so NPI Ki and Ectoplasm Manip gotenks and buutenks right?

i agree with this

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Can a staff move this to content revision, it was posted in the wrong catagory

Done

Also I agree with the thread

 

[AizenBankai09]

Looks solid

 

[LordDestroit10K]

Done

Also I agree with the thread

Thank you

 

[Nullflowerblush]

状 (jō) = "form; shape; appearance"

Gotenks's Ki imitates the shape or appearance of ectoplasm (i.e., the wispy form of a ghost), but is not described as being ectoplasmic.

Translating 気 (ki) as "spirit" instead of "Ki" in order to claim the term "spirit ghosts" is either completely disingenuous or completely ignorant. Even in Super, the word 気 is never used to describe the spirit (e.g., Spirit Control); スピリット (suppiritto) is.

ような (you na) = "like; similar to" or "feels like; feels similar to; feels as if"

オバケのようなエネルギー体
"ghost-like body of energy"

 

[TheTenno07]

状 (jō) = "form; shape; appearance"

Gotenks's Ki imitates the shape or appearance of ectoplasm (i.e., the wispy form of a ghost), but is not described as being ectoplasmic.

Translating 気 (ki) as "spirit" instead of "Ki" in order to claim the term "spirit ghosts" is either completely disingenuous or completely ignorant. Even in Super, the word 気 is never used to describe the spirit (e.g., Spirit Control); スピリット (suppiritto) is.

ような (you na) = "like; similar to" or "feels like; feels similar to; feels as if"

オバケのようなエネルギー体
"ghost-like body of energy"

Translate the kanji together; the slightest separation of them changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

 

[LordDestroit10K]

状 (jō) = "form; shape; appearance"

Gotenks's Ki imitates the shape or appearance of ectoplasm (i.e., the wispy form of a ghost), but is not described as being ectoplasmic.

Translating 気 (ki) as "spirit" instead of "Ki" in order to claim the term "spirit ghosts" is either completely disingenuous or completely ignorant. Even in Super, the word 気 is never used to describe the spirit (e.g., Spirit Control); スピリット (suppiritto) is.

ような (you na) = "like; similar to" or "feels like; feels similar to; feels as if"

オバケのようなエネルギー体
"ghost-like body of energy"

Please stop trying to be a Japanese translator, dude….

Translate the kanji together; the slightest separation of them changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

Exactly.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Null picking apart kanji and removing the context of the sentence.

We should get a translator to confirm the translations I suppose. @Executor_N0

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

状 (jō) = "form; shape; appearance"

Gotenks's Ki imitates the shape or appearance of ectoplasm (i.e., the wispy form of a ghost), but is not described as being ectoplasmic.

Translating 気 (ki) as "spirit" instead of "Ki" in order to claim the term "spirit ghosts" is either completely disingenuous or completely ignorant. Even in Super, the word 気 is never used to describe the spirit (e.g., Spirit Control); スピリット (suppiritto) is.

ような (you na) = "like; similar to" or "feels like; feels similar to; feels as if"

オバケのようなエネルギー体
"ghost-like body of energy"

Null, i ask you to stop trying to translate something, you said yourself that you don't know Japanese and separating the "kanji" is not correct.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Translate the kanji together; the slightest separation of them changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

Translating the kanji together only adds together their individual meanings?

• エクトプラズム状の気 = "energy [in the form/in the shape] of ectoplasm"
• 気のお化け and 気のオバケ = "ghost made out of Ki" or "Ki ghost"
• オバケのようなエネルギー体 = "ghost-like body of energy"

Do you guys know what they even mean?

separating the "kajin" is not correct.

Kanji.

 

[TiltedFN]

Kanji.

Weren't you gonna quit soon? What happened to that?

 

[TheTenno07]

Translating the kanji together only adds together their individual meanings?

• エクトプラズム状の気 = "energy [in the form/in the shape] of ectoplasm"
• 気のお化け and 気のオバケ = "ghost made out of Ki" or "Ki ghost"
• オバケのようなエネルギー体 = "ghost-like body of energy"

Do you guys know what they even mean?

Kanji

I translated the kanji in the first sentence separately and it gave me this answer
"workman
nine
to
P
La
Z
Mu
condition
of
air"
Clear example of why translating them separately is wrong, seeing that none of us are expert translators, I suggest waiting for information from people who are.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Ah, you're correct; using "kanji" to describe entire words and sentences is erroneous, like trying to tell a non-English speaker that they should translate the individual letters of the alphabet in order to decipher its correct meaning of a word.

Translating the [words the kanji make up] together only adds together their individual meanings.*

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'm lying; they can all be letters, words, or sentences.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't see why they would be non-physical in the first place.

 

[TheTenno07]

I don't see why they would be non-physical in the first place.

As we know, ghosts are intangible and interact with something intangible is an ability of npi.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Yes, ghosts are intangible.
See Dr. Mashirito.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Wait, Trunks couldn't touch him. Ignore that clip. I didn't mean to post that