Tiering with dynamax/gigantamax

[fandom_7494pinguisback20]

So now that Sword and Shield are out, what tier should Pikachu should be put in when using dynamax/gigantamax? I'm probably thinking either tiers 6 or 5 judging from his sheer size and power. Should he be tectonic/planetary, or no change in tiers at all?

 

[HAKKAIDER]

D MAXXING BASICALY IS A SOLID HOLOGRAM, GIGANTAMAX GIGANTIZE A POKEMON, EXEPT WAILOORD WHO RETUR YOUR HOW NORMAL GIGANTC form.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I looked around for any good pokedex entries that could potentially be used for AP scaling and found this entry for Gigantamax Corviknight:

Imbued with Gigantamax energy, its wings can whip up winds more forceful than any a hurricane could muster. The gusts blow everything away.

According to this page Hurricanes are considered 8-A, High 7-C with cloud formation.

This places any Gigantamax at High 7-C, at least.

However, Lugia is considered to be Low 6-B due to its 40-day storm feat (calculation here). If Corviknight's winds are more 'forceful' than 'any' Hurricane, this should also include Lugia's Hurricanes that are Low 6-B.

Thus, I believe if we were to take this dex entry seriously, every Gigantamax should scale to being at least Low 6-B.

 

[fandom_7494pinguisback20]

I looked around for any good pokedex entries that could potentially be used for AP scaling and found this entry for Gigantamax Corviknight:
Imbued with Gigantamax energy, its wings can whip up winds more forceful than any a hurricane could muster. The gusts blow everything away.

According to this page Hurricanes are considered 8-A, High 7-C with cloud formation.

This places any Gigantamax at High 7-C, at least.

However, Lugia is considered to be Low 6-B due to its 40-day storm feat (calculation here). If Corviknight's winds are more 'forceful' than 'any' Hurricane, this should also include Lugia's Hurricanes that are Low 6-B.

Thus, I believe if we were to take this dex entry seriously, every Gigantamax should scale to being at least Low 6-B.

As the creator of this thread, I believe you've got the best answer. Congrats!

 

[CryoTheMayo]

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[Foxthefox1000]

Yeah, Small Country is the best you could scale them to atm but that's via some extrapolation.

Probably no weaker than the other gimmicks unless we get more proof they're tier 6.

 

[fandom_7494pinguisback20]

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[Zeifyl]

Time for a minor correction.

Lugia is 6-B, though on the low end. Not Low 6-B. (4.7948e22 Joules)

Which means Zacian is at 1.79805e23 Joules, going with a x3.75 over Lugia. And it's above that, by an unknown margin.

E-Eternatus should be even higher up (if not Base Eternatus). But even E-Eternatus should not be twice that.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Ah, I could have sworn Lugia was recorded as Low 6-B, my bad.

If we go based on other dex entries that I mention in the spoilers thread, Zacian can one-shot Gigantamax pokemon so Zacian and Zamazenta should have the AP to one-shot low-end 6-Bs and Eternatus scales above them.

 

[Zeifyl]

Ah, I could have sworn Lugia was recorded as Low 6-B, my bad.
If we go based on other dex entries that I mention in the spoilers thread, Zacian can one-shot Gigantamax pokemon so Zacian and Zamazenta should have the AP to one-shot low-end 6-Bs and Eternatus scales above them.

As I said, a lower bound is 1.79805e23 Joules. Almost definitely higher, but not by a known amount.

Eternatus scales higher than Zacian/Zamazenta, but below Zacian+Zamazenta.

If we assume that Zacian isn't one-shotting specifically with the x2 damage against Maxes, the lower bound increases to 3.5961e23 Joules, almost guarranteeing a High 6-B Eternatus.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Actually, I don't think they would. Zacian and Zamazenta both have moves that are more effective on Dynamax, and they use said moves against Eternamax Eternatus so I'm not sure if they would actually scale to surpassing Eternatus' raw stats when they are using moves specifically effective against it.

 

[Zeifyl]

That's a valid point, but as of now, we have no way of knowing. Then again, they DID spam those moves in the fight. So let's say Eternatus can't scale above 4x them, individually.

With the current numbers available, E-Eternatus is, at best, at 1.534336e24 (High 6-B).

Went with a x8 above Lugia for Zacian for this one, specifically.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I'd say they aren't far from Eternamax Eternatus, considering they must be able to survive multiple hits from it and can seemingly damage it with other moves, but they are most likely overall weaker due to their Anti-Dynamax signatures.

 

[Zeifyl]

That was also a highball. But since the dogs are, individually, almost halfway through 6-B, with the lowball calc, I'd say E-Eternatus is almost definitely High 6-B (but still below e24).

 

[Teengohanrocks]

The Pokedex entry states E-Eternatus warps space and time (You can slightly see this when you're fighting it) and absorbed infinite amounts of energy. It's probably closer to Dialga, Palkia, Giratina and Arceus honestly.