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Tier 1 Review Thread 2

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This thread is for the posting of links to Tier 1 (or 0) characters for review by staff. All tier 1 pages should be posted here for review and discussion on whether or not they meet the requirements regarding our policies, and for the tier.

If a Tier 1 (or 0) profile is not submitted here and continues to not be submitted here despite warnings, it will be deleted. If a user does not update their page based on the suggestions given here, it will be deleted.

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Stay on topic and do not clog the thread with unnecessary replies. Please be patient, as well, as it may take time for a staff member to review your page, especially if it is long.

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@Aogiri

The description for your characters looks like that of a tier 0, not a 1-A.
 
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@Aeyu

Actually no. That description I used is very similar to the Outer Gods justifaction for their tier within the Cthulhu Mythos. It's definitely not tier 0.
 

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AogiriKira said:
Kosuke Susumu
Needs more explanations on it (Powers, actually), and the Outerverse level rating should not be scaled to characters without linking them. If the pages for them don't exist, explain what they do in this profile. Also add the key.
 
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Mind if I do it tomorrow? Spent alot of time, writing, deleting, and rewriting that page lmao. I'm kind of burnt out.
 

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@Aogiri

Even the Outer Gods don't transcend logic and cardinality. They have definable features. Even beings like Yog and Azzy are governed under some form of logical consequences, even if they're outside our capability to comprehend.
 

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"Outerversal" should become "Outerverse level" in the AP

"None notable" and the stamina stats don't need to be bolded.
 
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@Aeyu

They actually do transcend cardinality and logic, as the don't operate under any form of change, persective, or archetypal infinites, and exist above ALL of totality, within The Court of Azathoth.
 
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Also saying Yog and Azathoth operate under logic, is complete downplay, especially because of their ratings within their respective verse.
 
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Also what do you mean the Outer Gods have definable features? They don't as they are completely abstract, and metaphysical beings. Outer Gods don't have any form of definable features, only their avatars do, as the Outer Gods are completely beyond form.
 

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Being beyond change in a singularity of perspective is not analogous to being outside any logical quantification, it merely means it's beyond human comprehension, which is actually what's stated in "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath". If it were the case that they transcended *all* logic, you couldn't rationally argue Yog to "encompass" the Outer Void, nor could you argue Azzy to be beyond Yog in any sense, nor could you argue the Outer Gods to be "beneath" the likes of Yog and Azzy. In fact, it'd be vague to even have them have a profile at all, as you could just argue them to be outside of scaling completely, as scaling itself relies on specific logical principles.

"Archetypical infinity" is vague; furthermore, even if they're beyond infinity's concept, that doesn't prevent there from being larger cardinalities. Cardinality is in reference to the size of a set. You could take the entirety of the Outer Void and put that into a set which is then encompassed by Yog.
 

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HaruhiOfTheSuzumiya said:
  1. You don't put anything next to a tier. You put it all next to AP.
  2. The only thing given in justification that makes it 1-A is the mentions of 1-As. Otherwise, it's 1-B at max.
  3. No links (even those included within the standard format) except for the tiering system one. All of them need to be added.
  4. Don't bold every stat. Stamina ratings and below are not bolded.
  5. Outerverse level, not Outerversal.
Also, @Aeyu and @AogiriKira, STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD
 
Drag-O-Drawgon said:
HaruhiOfTheSuzumiya said:
  1. You don't put anything next to a tier. You put it all next to AP.
  2. The only thing given in justification that makes it 1-A is the mentions of 1-As. Otherwise, it's 1-B at max.
  3. No links (even those included within the standard format) except for the tiering system one. All of them need to be added.
  4. Don't bold every stat. Stamina ratings and below are not bolded.
  5. Outerverse level, not Outerversal.
Also, @Aeyu and @AogiriKira, STOP DERAILING THIS THREAD
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but i like bolding and italicisizing the stats, they look much cooler that way

also i swear ive seen other people linking YT vids and songs onto pages, as well as utilizing "Outerversal" instead of "outerverse level"

but other than that ok
 

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DarkNeon1994 said:
Problems:

  1. You don't bold anything within powers and abilities
  2. You don't power up to tier 0
  3. Tier 0 within this profile actually breaks the tiering system by saying Omnipotence paradox doesn't apply
  4. Tier 0 justification is contradicted by multiple limitations right on the profile
  5. Many, many, many grammar errors
 
Alright so I'm tryna make a fantasy like Setting in my story, however the two main characters are 1-A how would I make it to we're the main side characters are somewhat equal to them so they can be relevant as well as the other factions the main character will face?
 
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Drag-O-Drawgon said:
Powers and Abilities section doesn't even exist.
Because it's rather unimportant right now, and it's largely scripted on tier 0 pages as well, was that your only problem?
 

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Heck. No. The amount of problems on this page make it an abomination.

  1. Aforementioned nonexistent section
  2. High Outerverse level, not High Outerversal (Except in Striking Strength)
  3. Striking Strength isn't Irrelevant
  4. High Outerversal range isn't a thing
  5. Capitalization errors makes it ugly
  6. Intelligence isn't inapplicable
  7. Justification for tier does not give tier, not even close
  8. You don't bold ANY personal statistics
  9. Alignment given isn't a thing (Seriously, there's a page on it, look there)
  10. Themes is music, not that
 
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It's not a page it's a blog post...

The alignment was a joke I planned on removing in the final page.

and the inapplicable intelligenc was your idea? Err if I remember right I got that from you when I first made the page.


Ok how do you capitalize things then? Every word in a tital gets capitalized because a tital is a expansion of a name is it not?
 
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Also for the tier bit, they do, I just haven't added the link to the blog post yet that justify the TOC as a tier 0, so thank you for the list it looks like mostly easy fixes.

Edit: I hate auto correct
 

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I called it a page. Nobody cares if I call it a blog like it actually is.

You called the thing complete yet you had a joke you were gonna remove? That sounds a bit wrong.

You never brought up anything like that to me nor have I ever suggested that intelligence at any point on this site.

Just simply look at the page and you should see the errors.

No link was added that I can see.
 
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1 I didn't really think the joke would be a problem, honestly I just intent to remove the aliment bit from the personality section, it is an optional section after all. I prefer using the theme to say the theme of the character rather then the theme song, the charater creation page does say you can take some libertys.

2 I'm just saying what I remembered, the logic went something like this "is beyond the concept of knowledge" 'there for knowledge dosen't apply' it was odd, but the point of the rating on the blog was that the concept of intlegence hadn't been created yet, that's why I only had the other key there, because it was needed.

3 that's because I haven't added it yet. on a side note I had checked with prom before starting the blog and she said that the backstory for the character would warrant high 1-A (back before high 1-A and 0 merged) however that backstory is not in the page just alluded to in the appearance section and the summary. I intended to put it in another blog because it was long. But that's why it was tier 0.

Edit: and I checked https://fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_for_Original_Character_Profiles All of the statistics for personality are bolded on there.
 
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Either way 8 of your problem check list are resolved, you are right as it stands the blog doesn't have the information to justify it's tier rating. And as for captlzation.. you'd have to tell me what you think proper caps are because I asked someone who had made several pages and he told me even If it was a 1 word response in a stat to capitalize it.
 
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I have corrected the majority of the things drago pointed out to me (thank you again for that drago) I have not altered the captlzation because I have yet to find a consistent definition of acceptable for doing them on profiles...


And I do still feel the justification should be greater then it currently is. (I have essentially made the tier 0 page first of everything in the cosmology) I want to make pages for the base of the scaling chain the cores before I post the blog as a page. I also would like to apologize for a missunderstanding, I had not ment the page was completed when posted it here I ment I felt it was finshed enough to post it here for feed back.
 

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Capitalization is that you capitalize each tier rating (a couple are missed). Bolding problems in personal stats (and no, the rules for original characters does NOT say they're bolded) still exist. Tier 0s shouldn't come from scaling chains, if that's what you're going for.
 
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Drag-O-Drawgon said:
Capitalization is that you capitalize each tier rating (a couple are missed). Bolding problems in personal stats (and no, the rules for original characters does NOT say they're bolded) still exist. Tier 0s shouldn't come from scaling chains, if that's what you're going for.
1 ok

2 but there bolded in the example given... and in every page I could find with them they are also bolded. And it is again just an optional thing anyway so I don't see the problem.

3 the current minimum requirement for tier zero is to surpasse a baseline 1-A as a baseline 1-A surpasse anything below it, for example the one above all at the vs wiki wasn't tier 0 until a 1-A ranking was given to one of the cosmic entitys. That is what I was to refering. (The one above all is 0 for viewing a 1-A being as fictional and nothing contradicting him being 0)
 
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Also for the personality sections to ensure were not at a confusion, I believe your telling me the

Hair color:

Parts shouldn't be bolded, are you referring to the answer? I had assumed you ment the statistic because you capitalized any, and all the statistics were bolded which would warrant the emphasis you put in that part.
 

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The One Above All is tier 0 for being practically Omnipotent (I know it's not true Omnipotence), NOT because "lolItranscend1-As". Seriously, I don't know why they just didn't drop that whole statement altogether and make it clear that those with almost no limitations are the ones who are tier 0, not the stupid hierarchy people.
 

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Bold
Here's an example. The stat names themselves (Date of Birth, etc.) are bolded. The values for the stats are not.
 
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....dude he's Tier 0 because of transcending that 1-A... the only evidence for him being omnipotent in any way is representing the author which is only Quantified in the vs wiki as him viewing all of marvel as fiction.. hence him trasedning that 1-A, if omnipotents mattered the one above all would not be tier 0. Either way this is off topic for this thread.
 

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Darkmon cns said:
....dude he's Tier 0 because of transcending that 1-A... the only evidence for him being omnipotent in any way is representing the author which is only Quantified in the vs wiki as him viewing all of marvel as fiction.. hence him trasedning that 1-A, if omnipotents mattered the one above all would not be tier 0. Either way this is off topic for this thread.
Do not commit Argumentum Ad Infinitum. Do not bring up points if you know they're off topic. End of Story.
 
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I tryed to leave a message on your wall to ask you about it, but it wasn't working, can you leave a message on my wall so this thread isn't flooded anymore on the topic of my blog?
 
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Problems:

  1. You don't bold anything within powers and abilities
  2. You don't power up to tier 0
  3. Tier 0 within this profile actually breaks the tiering system by saying Omnipotence paradox doesn't apply
  4. Tier 0 justification is contradicted by multiple limitations right on the profile
  5. Many, many, many grammar errors
Adding on to this, I believe recent changes to the tie ring system make it so this is even less applicable.
 

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I would like to submit this as a general overview of the mechanics of higher-dimensional characters within my own verse. Does anyone see anything wrong with what I have here? Would drawing from/linking to this for characters' descriptions of why they're Tier 1-(insert value here) be adequate support for the Tier beyond the explanation itself?
 

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|Illusio

This page claims the character is supposedly an aspect of a Tier 0 being... that obviously doesn't allow it to have a Tier 0 version of that character. Y'know, the whole "a individual character cannot be Tier 0 and potentially anything but Tier 0 simultaneously" thing. So, that key should be deleted.
 

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If it was, I must have missed it...

That said, if Her can destroy Illusion at all, to begin with, then he's also not Tier 0 due to that.
 

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Tier 0 for being infinitely above a 1-A... hahahaha. Yeah I looked, and the tiering system didn't specifically state that being infinitely above a 1-A wasn't tier High 1-A (even though logic would figure it out) when the profile was made, it was before some later non automatic revisions took place, meaning it should've been caught.
 

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I'd would say to do that if the creator was -- Oh wait the maker of it has had their account disabled. Yeah I guess you can go ahead and change it to 1-A. The 1-A it's scaling from is also just meh, since it literally just spits the basic definition of the tier at you.
 

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ZeroTC01 said:
Well, I'm a bit late in terms of the page's creation, but: Son Goku (ARCWMD)
Gonna say it right now, Galaxy level should be Multi Solar System level since there isn't enough reason for a tier jump.

But other than that it's fine.
 
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Thanks for the feedback.

But the reasoning for 3-C here is that he performed the 4-A feat, which is 1.5118952e+65 Joules, while charging up, and after fully charging up, he becomes a dozen times stronger than when he pulled the 4-A feat off. Unless I'm mistaken, he's pretty baseline 3-C by virtue of being 1.5118952e+66 joules at his base's full power. He also scales to casually destroying and recreating a galaxy, which I should probably add in to his own explanation rather than link to another one.
 

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ThePixelKirby said:
I see nothing but a wall of 1-A smurf hax and a powers and abilities section that only drives "1-A smurf" in more with no personality or appearance section whatsoever, as well as an extremely short AP justification for 1-A. And, the standard equipment is still how it is written on the standard format page.

I know it's based off of the Standard Format for Character Profiles page rather than the Rules for Original Character Profiles, but this seriously needs personal stats and personality to balance the "muh 1-A smurf" out. (and also fix the standard equipment)
 

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I honestly just missed the Standard Equipment somehow. I've already fixed that.

The AP justification, quite honestly, is extremely clean and cut. There's little point of rambling on about esoteric words vaguely relating to cosmology; those will go to when I write out short stories for the wiki. The AP justification is what it is, plain and simple.

Personality shouldn't take long considering I've had this guy for quite a while. I chose to merge showings of personality and desire in with Summary due to my distaste of plainly listing personality traits, although I was wrong in that.

As for appearance, that'll come when I can get someone to draw him, since appearances are a weak point and a hill I'll die on for some of my characters.

Edit: Done, and it's larger than I expected.
 
Hmm... The Goddess of Avalon (Ark//wind Saga) . It's AP is rated as 1-C for:

"It is represents an entity that is present in an infinite number of worlds in an infinite number of timelines"

That at the highest possible interpretation is 2-A... Not anything Tier 1 related
 

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The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Hmm... The Goddess of Avalon (Ark//wind Saga) . It's AP is rated as 1-C for:

"It is represents an entity that is present in an infinite number of worlds in an infinite number of timelines"

That at the highest possible interpretation is 2-A... Not anything Tier 1 related
belongs in bad page report thread. But that page is definitely just not sufficient for tier 1, and the creator has been inactive for over half a year, so it's probably safe to just delete.
 

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This thread's gathered dust, so let's check something-

The Above Entity doesn't seem to have a justification for the "possibly 1-A" bit, neither on its page or on the Solarverse page (she's just above a "At least Low 2-C, possibly far higher", as far as I can tell.)
 
Alice So is that just 1-A or 0 based on what you just said above

also Artemis

"Artemis has achieved her goal of ascending beyond godhood. She broke through the limitations and barriers that are set for every god no matter how powerful. She exists beyond all dimensions. Duality itself means nothing to her. She sees everything around her as fiction now. Artemis stands at the level of Chaos and Alice. Beings that are completely transcended and that are impossible to be understood remotely by even the most powerful gods"
 

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Was it approved? I've been here for quite some time, and that Ruby wasn't Tier 1 until rather recently. If it was, I must've missed it-

At any rate, it couldn't hurt to go over it all again, for posterity. "How do dimensional cosmology and The Darkness function in the Cyverse?", "What is the context behind her fight against Blair as Ascended Warrior Blue Perfect?", etc.
 
I was planning on making the pages for Blair and co, but then I forgot you can make blog posts and cosmology and stuff. I'll be making that blog post that is long overdue now and then link it here. Only thing I can say right off the bat that most of the cosmology works very similary to what is seen in the Cthulhu Mythos, mostly due to the Cyverse being a combination of several things I like put into one. (Cthulhu Mythos, RWBY, Dragon Ball Metaseries, SCP Fandom being the four ones.)

Is there a time limit to making the blog posts for the Cosmology and etc?
 
And put the Cosmology on the Cyverse page. Which means that Arancia and Ruby both got updated a bit; the next few pages I'm making is the core concepts and the mechanics and bla bla bla. But yes, both Rubes and Arancia are now up for review now.
 

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>1-A

Ed, I never would of thought.
 
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