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Yeah, that is kinda odd there as I will think they have some scans for those parts, but it is a lot of Legend content to sort though (We talking about decades worth of content as well)
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Yeah, that is kinda odd there as I will think they have some scans for those parts, but it is a lot of Legend content to sort though (We talking about decades worth of content as well)
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Stonekiller won't reply, I think he's busy
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Is it on his vsprofile?
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maybe
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I only made the AP section, LordVader is working on the P&A section tmk.
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Make em' here, I think.
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Not sure if I should, we'll see the response though.
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Maybe the mods will need to be pinged again, plus ovens is retired.
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What examples do you have?
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I would definitely like to see the samples you have.
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Ok, so a few things have to be changed on the profile:
1. bde 2 is only low outer now, bde 3 is outer or above
2. You can't have both ac type 4 and type 5. You can't function on an irregular causality system when you transcend causality entirely. This is also on the acausality page.
1. bde 2 is only low outer now, bde 3 is outer or above
2. You can't have both ac type 4 and type 5. You can't function on an irregular causality system when you transcend causality entirely. This is also on the acausality page.
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It doesn't even reach Low 2C bro
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Some things are still left over from The Living Force, so I'll change them as soon as possible.
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There's plenty of examples but I'll bring out the most detrimental ones:
- Jacen's oneness, which is supposed to prove the unifying force doctrine, still has light and darkness present within him, which contradicts the supposed non dualistic nature of the force.
- There's nothing countering that the force is created by life and plenty of quotes that affirm it. In fact, the sw sourcebook revised edition, the darkside source book, and jacens oneness, all of which are used in the justification, and the latter rather explicitly says "spectrum of life energy", this is even further supported by the next point.
- Barriss upon taking bota enters a state of oneness. Ignoring the fact that a plant connected deeply to life is capable of inducing a state supposedly beyond it, barriss directly calls it the cosmic force, which as we know from Tcw s5 the living energies feeds and grows it/is contingent upon the living force to exist. This proves against immutabiluty if the other issues weren't enough already.
- The final nail in the coffin, Vergere who is the proponent of the unifying force and the truth/true force, is a literal manipulator and sith, none of her quotes would be true then if she's a actual adherents of the dualistic philosophy.
Stover, the author of traitor, loves using metaphors and exaggerations in his novels, this is no exception, vergere does the same and admits she's not truthful with her responses.
Oh yeah, and George Lucas says numerous times the force is dualistic, and his word takes precedence over others.
So sorry Sw wankers, the verse isn't tier 0, high 1a, or even outerversal lol. As a matter of fact, the verse is probably in the galactic ranges in cosmology and town level for the full power of the force.
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Yeah, notice how we've already proven that all of these things don't matter as none of them grasp what The Truth is, which is explicitly Tier 0, everything you're mentioning applies only to the Living Force, most specifically the Force being created by Life.
This attitude is literally not even remotely relevant and makes you look like a spiteful douchebag, and I'm highly confident you aren't even a SW fan when you're blatantly implying you're spiting the fans by calling them "wankers". Also even if everything you said were true, it only disproves Tier 0 Force, not the 1-A aspect of Beyond Shadows, which you haven't even begun to mention. Plus you yourself have admitted countless times that you're trolling including when it comes to this very topic including in this thread, so I am extremely inclined to believe you're not legitimate here. You didn't even begin to address Low 1-C/1-C Hyperspace either, yet claim the "full power" of the supreme being of the cosmology...is below the cosmology.
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The "true Force" itself doesn't need Living Force quotes, but the delineation between Living and Unifying Force do. The profile god_cat posted mostly address "the Truth".
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Basically, The Living Force and Truth are two separate things.
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Missing the point by a million miles. I know that, obviously because I directly said they are. I’m saying the distinction between the two should be on the profile so it isn’t confusing to someone who doesn’t know Star Wars.
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Very funny how your post, which is full of non-contentions, is liked by the community. Either we have some lack of understanding of the verse, or didn't read the Tier 0 standards properly. Anyways I'll dissect your arguments even more:
That's very funny that you're making the quantum leap to Tier 0 when we have a rather explicit confirmation that the human mind is limited to the perception of 4 dimensions, and we know this due to Barriss's descriptions of Oneness. You can dismiss it as the living force, but her statements are directly used in the justification for tier 0, and we also have her confirming her state is the greater force, which is the unifying force/cosmic force.
The perception being limited to four dimensions satisfies this requirement for ineffability not being tier 0:
Also most of the theosophical backing for Tier 0 is ingrained in the Unifying Force, not the truth. Without the Unifying Force, the Force has little to no evidence of it being divinely simple and plenty of evidence against it. You may cite Tales of the Jedi Companion as being a source that supports your narrative, but you must understand that Ood Bnar's word is less credible than a firsthand depiction of Oneness, even so, the True Nature of the Force being mentioned hardly makes it distinct from the Unifying Force, as the Unifying Force is also said to be the Absolute Nature of the Force, and to contain Truth and Lies, which means technically the Truth is below the Unifying Force. The scans in there, even if hypothetically true, would only make the Force ineffable from the perspective of beings in the 4th dimension and nothing else.
You can disregard her statements, but that would mean your arguments are pretty weak without both Vergere and Barriss' statements, or you can continue to rep them but it would just make the argument contradictory.
BTW Stover pretty explicitly calls the Force life energy in Shatterpoint and he wrote Traitor, sooooooooo
Me thinking your arguments are unsubstantiated wank has no correlation to whether or not I'm a fan or not. You can evidently see through all my interactions on this forum that I'm pretty knowledgeable on the verse, and it's pretty hard to prove that a non-fan would pay attention to detail and be able to discuss the verse at a level like this. This statement is pretty much only trying to cover your lack of ability to prove your arguments.
The fact that you can't even make a basic inference speaks leagues about your intelligence, but that aside, if the Force is not reality independent (it's created and sustained by life) and not transcendent to it in it's entirety, then it simply isn't 1-A. You can't have the 1-A tier based on a dependent concept.
1-C hyperspace is completely unfounded, the space is warped by mere 3-Dimensional Gravity (The mass shadows from planetary bodies)
The Force can be the strongest thing in the universe but not transcend it. Town level characters like Palpatine and Plagueis can rip holes in it and shift it's balance to the point where it needs a savior (Anakin, if the Force could purge Plaugeis and Palpatine it would have, especially considering it's a conscious entity) (Both the imbalance and the will are direct disqualifiers for Tier 0) The full power of the Force when contained by a vessel is only able to knock a frigate out of orbit and destroy a large building.
That's very funny that you're making the quantum leap to Tier 0 when we have a rather explicit confirmation that the human mind is limited to the perception of 4 dimensions, and we know this due to Barriss's descriptions of Oneness. You can dismiss it as the living force, but her statements are directly used in the justification for tier 0, and we also have her confirming her state is the greater force, which is the unifying force/cosmic force.
The perception being limited to four dimensions satisfies this requirement for ineffability not being tier 0:
Also most of the theosophical backing for Tier 0 is ingrained in the Unifying Force, not the truth. Without the Unifying Force, the Force has little to no evidence of it being divinely simple and plenty of evidence against it. You may cite Tales of the Jedi Companion as being a source that supports your narrative, but you must understand that Ood Bnar's word is less credible than a firsthand depiction of Oneness, even so, the True Nature of the Force being mentioned hardly makes it distinct from the Unifying Force, as the Unifying Force is also said to be the Absolute Nature of the Force, and to contain Truth and Lies, which means technically the Truth is below the Unifying Force. The scans in there, even if hypothetically true, would only make the Force ineffable from the perspective of beings in the 4th dimension and nothing else.
You can disregard her statements, but that would mean your arguments are pretty weak without both Vergere and Barriss' statements, or you can continue to rep them but it would just make the argument contradictory.
BTW Stover pretty explicitly calls the Force life energy in Shatterpoint and he wrote Traitor, sooooooooo
Me thinking your arguments are unsubstantiated wank has no correlation to whether or not I'm a fan or not. You can evidently see through all my interactions on this forum that I'm pretty knowledgeable on the verse, and it's pretty hard to prove that a non-fan would pay attention to detail and be able to discuss the verse at a level like this. This statement is pretty much only trying to cover your lack of ability to prove your arguments.
The fact that you can't even make a basic inference speaks leagues about your intelligence, but that aside, if the Force is not reality independent (it's created and sustained by life) and not transcendent to it in it's entirety, then it simply isn't 1-A. You can't have the 1-A tier based on a dependent concept.
1-C hyperspace is completely unfounded, the space is warped by mere 3-Dimensional Gravity (The mass shadows from planetary bodies)
The Force can be the strongest thing in the universe but not transcend it. Town level characters like Palpatine and Plagueis can rip holes in it and shift it's balance to the point where it needs a savior (Anakin, if the Force could purge Plaugeis and Palpatine it would have, especially considering it's a conscious entity) (Both the imbalance and the will are direct disqualifiers for Tier 0) The full power of the Force when contained by a vessel is only able to knock a frigate out of orbit and destroy a large building.
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Wouldn't what you're saying be more confusing for newcomers?
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How would that be more confusing? You stated the force has two components (or views or however you say it) where there is a force produced by living beings and one that is beyond that. And say why there are some quotes saying the force has duality and stuff because there is a version with that and there is a version without it as shown by the profile with their being a half true version which people use versus the true one which nobody interacts with or really truly understands
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I must admit that there are quite a few gaps and errors in the current profile, but these are things that can be changed later. As I said, it still seems to have most of the haxes associated with The Living Force, so I will fix these as soon as possible. I am currently working on a cosmology as well.
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But I purely mean that can all be clarified by having two keys. So the living force can be explained
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Is a draft ready for review?
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