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Three way battle of Human level manipulators

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LordAizenSama

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Shokuhou Misaki Vs. Light Yagami Vs Lelouch vi Britannia

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Rules:

They start at various locations at the school equally spreadout from eachother

Limited knowledge on the eachother. Only basic things like gender or hair colour.

Takes Place within the Ashford Academy school grounds in Code Geass' setting. It is a open school day so many people are around to view the festivities.

Lelouch is not immortal here. And no he does not get his mechs. Duh.

Misaki does not have Exterior but does have her other standard belongings

For the sake of argument and fairness, Light can gain access to the shinigami eyes if he has to, no CIS will stop him from using it.

Win Via Incapacition or Death

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How much info do they have on each other?

And what's the limits on Misaki's ability? Line of sight (not eyecontact, just line of sight) or can she do it through walls, etc.
 
Direct line of sight is required, basically whoever she can see but she struggles controlling larger amounts of ppl at once (like 100) and can only give basic commands to them

Limited intel on eachother. Only basic things such as hair colour, gender, etc etc
 
She cant "read" memories but they can be forced to spill out whatever info they have from their memories

In character here. Except for light not using shinigami eyes if he needs to.
 
Lelouch should have the most advantages here since, Ashford is basically his territory. He can just go to the suriveillance facility located in school secret underdround where he can freely making up a plan to takes them put.

He can observes the two when the other two make confrontation and basically gains the intel of their powers.
 
True. If he heads to the surveillance area, he can just watch over the school until he finds out who he needs to kill. Then he just Geass's someone (would Misaki's ability be able to override the geass? It seems to affect the nervous system or the brain cells directly from the animation that plays) into shooting them.
 
Probably the most important factors to consider Would be, is while lelouch does have the home field advantage..

Light Yagami can kill and manipulate people at any time from anywhere. He just needs the info/ see them or their photo once. This could be a problem for lelouch since theres bound to be pics of him around the school

Misaki has lesser range than light but a bit more easier use of her powers. Still better range and such than lelouch

Lelouchs biggest shortcoming would be he needs direct eyes contact and his command must be heard. But he has homefield advantage and his power is about as flexible as Misakis
 
Light is the one to die first here. His ability in here is not gonna help him against Lelouch army of mindcontroled students. He can also used them to ganged up on Misaki too while he is chilling out in his house with his sister.
 
Misaki doesn't really need line of sight to use her powers, we have seen her take control of an entire library of students while looking away from 90% of them. It wouldn't work through walls, but she could give orders to a crowd even if some of them are not in her line of sigh.

With limited intel Lelouch has a slight advantage in identifying the other two, as they aren't wearing the school uniform and Misaki being younger will easily identify her as the odd one there. However, neither Lelouch or Light are going to be outdoing her in terms of manipulation in a rushed scenario like this, her much more useful power should give her the win here.

Light won't immediately go for the shinigami eyes, and even if he does when pressed he cannot do much if a crowd of puppets attack him, his power is too slow. If one of the others identifies him he's dead, plain and simple, neither Lelouch or Misaki are dumb enough to not take some precautions and avoid anyone they aren't sure is under their controls (hell, Misaki is so extremely paranoid she prefers to not appear in public at all if she can help it).

Lelouch has a more useful power than Light in this scenario, but again it's more limited than Misaki's, can only use it once per individual, might not even get through Misaki's mental defenses and his puppets could be stopped or taken over by Misaki flat out superior mind manipulation. He will last longer than Light, but his power is worse than Misaki's.

Even if Light or Lelouch came face to face with Misaki, she will be surrounded by mental puppets, has a faster power than both of them (being able to paralyze or mentally control them with the press of a button compared to "writing name in book" and "full verbal command"), has better reflexes
 
No he ain't. He is athletic and could probably take them on a bit or even run from them when he is getting overwhelmed. Or even better he sees a bunch of students come up to him he'll know something is wrong and proceed to run.
 
Mind controlling an army of students doesn't seem in character for Lelouch.

Or is this Emperor Lelouch personality we are using?
 
Even an athletic person will be easily beaten down when faced with a small group of people, Light doesn't have feats on taking on several people simultaenously so he's screwed if Lelouch or Misaki want him dead and just send a crowd of students after him. The school will also have athletes than could keep up with him if he tries to run away.

Lelouch and Misaki don't need physical stamina.
 
Given how the Death Note works and Light having Shinigami eyes, he could cause some car crashes or even make buildings fall down by using the students there.
 
The Death Note can only cause things that are physically possible and within the abilities of the person. He can't cause buildings to simply fall, and there won't be a lot of cars to use inside the school.

If faced with a big group of students no command he can write is going to save him.
 
Additionally, the Death Note cannot be used to cause the death of any human except the human whose name/face are written/pictured. Lelouch couldn't just start writing "[name] goes around shooting everyone except me"
 
Since this takes place during festival, Suzaku would be here too right? Can Lelouch just used his Geass on him to take Ganymade and kills his targets without caring about the civilian casualities? Lelouch may not have HIS mech, but LAS never said he cannot use other to ride mech right? ;V
 
Lelouch can just plant bomb in the mech beforehand and detonates it while the mech ia close to here. Remember, he has suriveillance system which means he would already have the intel about his opponents.
 
She doesn't need to be anywhere close to the mech to mind control the pilot. She could do it from the other side of the courtyard, from the window of one of the buildings, etc. Lelouch would also need to prepare and decide to plant a bomb in what he believes is his greatest asset for absolutely no reason. And I don't think the school has a lot of explosives to use.

Cameras wouldn't give Lelouch any clue about how her power works and what limits it might have, either. At most, it gives him her location.

It's also good to note that Lelouch doesn't start in the surveillance room, not does entering somehow makes it impossible for others to do anything to him.

Misaki is not an idiot. At the start of the fight, the first thing she's going to do is turn everyone around her into her puppets, set the command "Protect me with your lives" "Look out for people matching these two descriptions" and then enter the school building (if she's not already inside of it) and pull the same trick: go to the surveillance system room to monitor the situation while at the same time investigating the student records to see if anyone matches the info she has on her two opponents. All the while adding more people to her side and taking over any puppet Lelouch sends after her with ease.

If Lelouch is not there before Misaki, he won't be able to get inside and take over the location due to the proxy guards and Misaki's better power. If he is, then Misaki gathers her forces there, kicks the door down and eliminates him, leaving Light as the remaining opponent who will likely get chased, cornered and neutralized by a crowd of people sooner or later.
 
First of all, How would she gonna find out there is suriveillance room in a school? Second, Lelouch still has his ninja-maid, Sayoko. She can sticks in the shadow while waiting for opportunity to kill her...silently. The maid can infiltrates a heavily guarged goverment building to free Kallen while taking out guards without being seen.
 
Easily, by reading the minds of any student/teacher she controls.

Misaki, with only the help of Touma, fought off a group of 30+ attackers moving at over 200kph with jet engines, able to wall jump, armed with handheld pile bunkers and a support AI that could take over the control of the body if Misaki tried to mind control them. Sayoko is nothing compared to that.

She gets mind controlled like anyone else Lelouch sends after Misaki. Now Sayoko works for her, and knows who Lelouch is, and has Lelouch's trust, so Misaki only needs to order her to report to Lelouch and kill him once she gets close to him.
 
Apparently Misaki can't actually read minds though, she just forces people to tell her what they are thinking.
 
First of all, the amount of people knew about the surveillance room existence is not even reaching 5. How would she know which one to ask? Better question, how did she know THERE IS a suriveillance room in the first place anyway? She has no intel regarding the area.

Second, Sayoko can very much takes her out from shadow without being seen by her. And as far as I understand, she needs to see her victim in order to mindscrew them.

Third, what stopping Lelouch from 1) Ordering Nina to create Sakuradire Bomb and ask Sayoko to place the bomb within explosion radius without being seen and blow her up 2) Ordering some soldier that is present during the festival for secutiry to snipe her from afar (Frpm outside the school area for example). 3) simply overwhelmed her by hundreds of mindcontroled civilians, her mind control has limit of the amount of people she can mind control.
 
@LordAizenSama

She does it all the time. She reads people's thoughts aloud, she reads memories like when she read the one from the Gensei impostor, and is mentioned several times that she can do any mind-related esper power, including reading minds.

In Tokiwadai Middle School, besides Mikoto, there was another person who was also a Level 5. In terms of mental control, she was at the top of Academy City—in other words, she was the strongest ever in regards of her Mental Out. Reading other people's memories, changing other people's personalities, carrying out conversations with people far away, destroying memories and willpower, revealing feelings and transplanting them… No matter what kind of mental phenomenon it was, she could control them all. Like a Swiss knife, she was a multi-functional Level 5.

[...]

Their method of reading minds without relying on another's brain is likely also related to moisture.

[...]

"Category 005 / Locate the 'bomb' set in the indicated individual."

For about ten seconds, she read his mind as if tracing her hand along its surface.

"Category 401 / Return the indicated individual's mind to its state just before the 'bomb' activated."

She restored his broken mind like using a computer's recovery system.

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She'll do it until she finds someone who knows, or can tell her who's in charge of the school and might know about it. It's a matter of time, and Lelouch can't do anything to stop this.

Sayoko won't do anything. Misaki's going to be surrounded by human shields ordered to protect her and sacrifice her lives for her from minute 1, Sayoko will have to make herself known in order to attack her, there's no other way to get to her. And, no, if she's aware of them she doesn't need line of sight on her target to use her powers, so the instant Sayoko attacks and Misaki notices her she gets paralyzed and mind controlled by Misaki. Unless she's better than 30+ Queen Diver users, she doesn't get to a Misaki supported by her puppet army.

Nina won't be able to make a Sakuradite bomb in time, and Lelouch is not a suicidal idiot.

He doesn't know where or who she is initially, only that he's looking for a blond female slightly younger than him. She can also take over any soldier near her and add them to her army.

Lelouch has never controlled as many people, and the limit on her powers is how many people she can affect in one go. There's nothing stopping her from spamming her mind control over and over as the people controls turn against the others, especially since hers is much faster than Lelouch's. Not to mention there's not a lot of places in the school where hundreds of people can attack her at the same time without her being able to easily hear or see them approach and just using her powers before they even reach her.
 
You didn't answer me regarding how did she know if THERE IS a suriveillance room in a school of all place?

Oh, she will surrounded herself with her mindcontrolled army? Then lelouch can chills out in surveillance room while Light doing the deeds killing her. Sayoko isn't even needed her then. Surrounding her with human shiled is basically giving out her location. Neither Lelouch nor Light is stupid enough to not noticed it.

Nina only need to create a bomb for fifty meters radius only. She is frigging Genius, she can pulls that off.

Suriveillance room that can spy ENTIRE school area. Pretty sure he will find her, cosidering she will surrounded herself with pretty amount of people. And again, this refers to my second point.

Oh yeah, he has. Lelouch did mindscrewed the entire Bitannia royal family during Emperor Lelouch Episode. And oh, Ashford Academy is a pretty big school. There are lots of places where she can be attacked by large amount of people.
 
In a school so big and so elite like this, it's not a question of if there's a room with access to cameras all over the school, it's a matter of where. Misaki has experience with this kind of security measures since she lives in the School Garden of Academy City, she will look for a room like that as her first big move.

Light will never get close enough to kill her, nor will Lelouch. And Leouch needs to leave the area to control people, so he cannot send a group of hundred of people after her while he chills in a room far away.

Nina doesn't have the time or resources to make a bomb like that in less than a day, and this will be over in a couple of hours at best, leaving both Light and Lelouch dead or mind controlled slaves.

You don't pay attention. Misaki is going to get inside the main school building, where a crowd of hundreds cannot attack her. And even if she's attacked by them before reaching (something basically impossible, given at this point Lelouch does not know who she is, where she is, what her powers are and he hasn't had the time to give orders to a crowd to attack her at that point), she just uses her powers to mind control the crowd and turn them back on Lelouch.
 
Fair enough, but it definitely would takes a lot of times to get the answer. Assuming she didn't get killed by Light, the dude just need to see her from afar.

Refers to my first point regarding Light. Oh, Lelouch will definetely mindscrew a lot of people from get to go before reaching the surveillance area.

Nina can created a bomb that will leveled up city block radius during Black Rebellion and done before Lelouch reaching the school, creating a merely fifty meters bomb is a piece a cake for her. And she has the resouce back then, god know from where, but they were withing school area.

Yeah, she will get inside the school area, but to do that, she should entered the school entrace first. Lelouch has plenny of time to build up his plan. And Lelouch doesn't need to immediately attack her. And he definitely wouldn't come out with only one plan.
 
Light doesn't start with the shinigami eyes, and the only information he and the other two have on their opponents is basic information like gender or hair color, they don't know what the other two look like exactly. Therefore, even if he decided to immediately get the eyes, which he wouldn't as he is not in character and he has no reason to believe he needs them, he would not immediately know Misaki is one of her targets. And that assuming he gets to see her before she hides inside a building and loses any chance at getting her.

You keep ignoring this point, but any people controlled by Lelouch are easily turned into Misaki's puppets, with Lelouch unable to do anything to prevent this. So he achieves nothing by sending a crowd of people searching for two unknown targets he doesn't even know the exact location of, which is why he won't do it unless he's stupid enough to order random people to start killing anyone that matches the basic infor he has on them, which would only cause a panic and make it easier for Misaki and Light to operate.

Lelouch doesn't start next to Nina, he shouldn't have the inclination to order her to create a bomb to kill two unknown opponents in the school he doesn't have the locations of, and she doesn't have the resources or the time to do so before this fight is over.

Read the OP. They start in the school area, the only thing Misaki has to is walk to the main school building. Lelouch has less than 10 minutes before Misaki is safely inside a building with her own group and making her own plan.

I've already explained how Misaki can counter most of Lelouch's attempts to eliminate her you've suggested, even those that wouldn't even be in character. I've also explained why Light cannot do anything against the other two unless they become total suicidal idiots and try to challenge him alone and loudly expose their identities for some inane reason. Since you're obviously not changing your mind about this, I'l just leave you be.

My vote is still for Misaki, as I've explained in detail why she would beat the other two in this scenario with her overall better powers.
 
Again, you keep ignoring that making herself surrounded by many people will gives out her status as enemy to both Lelouch and Light. Especially Light, he is a very cunning detective. He has the intel about her gender and hair color, pretty sure he can put two and two together and figures out that she is his target. All he need to do is a glimpse of her and he can kills her somewhere else.

And how can she identify which is the people that get mindcontrolled by Lelouch? And again, Lelouch doesn't need to attack her immediatelly. Simply observes the situations.

Lelouch planned a trap for Schneizel, his superior in intellect, in less than 10 minutes (due the deadline until FLEIJA detonation). 10 minutes is sufficient amount of time for him.

And I already explained at how Sayoko is gonna takes her out from shadow without being noticed. You are implying that she will get mind controlled evem though Misaki cannot see her.

Also, no need to vote in this thread, this won't be added anyway.
 
See this is the fun types of debates. Anything happens and lots of planning to think of. Personally it might come down to luck.

In terms of effectivity Light and Misaki are definitely better but that doesn't mean much when Lelouch can make such a great use of his abilities. But at the same time, it's not as if Light and Misaki aren't capable of "Just as planned" scenarios. If Light doesn't get taken care of fast though.... What would stop him from going into the data records and kill off everyone?

Misaki on the other hand could just slowly form an army too.
 
Lets see here

Light: He would probably have the most trouble identifying the other two as he would have to manually do investigative work for the most part. His Death note requires names so that would be the information he would need to find given he has limited information on the other two. The shinigami eyes will only be useful when he has identified his intended target and linked the name to a face. Since this place is Lelouchs school Ashford Academy he will be way easier to find. Light investigative skill is high he could just find school records or a roster and narrow down the names from his limited knowlege and death note all the names till he gets Lelouch. Light vs Misaki would be alot more difficult however he is physically superior he would have to find a way to locate her and protect himself from her controlled bodygaurds or avoid getting contolled himself.

Misaki: Her advantage is her ability is very versitile, effective, and fast acting. She doesnt need to verbally give comands as its just a touch of a button and she can control way more people than the other 2 at any given time. To find the other 2 she would most likely uses the information of others she controlled to do the investigative work for her. This method would allow her to stay out of sight and the risk of getting found looking for intel wall also surronding herself with the most people as more people around her means more for her ability to use. Lelouch seems to be the biggest trouble for her as he kows his way around the school and can potentally observe whats going on from a seculded spot. Howerver the fact is Leouch needs to engage a person if he wants to control them so it would be harder for him to send people out to hunt for the other two from this spot.

Lelouch: Has the home advantage and will probably have the easiet time finding the other two has he can obsever to see if anything thing is out of the ordinary. He has limited knowlege so he can use that to narrow down who he would need to surveil. Most likely when hes found the target he would have to leave this area and go after them due to this he would have to enagage them. He would most likely take light by surpise if he hasnt prepared for him as he light cant control people and on the spot and light would need to right a name down with the eyes. Lelouch can easily give a command at that time. Lelouch vs Misaki would be diffucult for him as he can only give a command verbaly while misaki with a push of a button would have him paralyzed along with the whole area of people agaisnt him so he would have to defintiley plan before engaging.

Theres also the mattr of whose control ability takes precidence if misaki controls someone under geass or vice versa who would would be contorlling and would a person know if there control has been neutralized.
 
I don't think Lelouch can control Misaki while his power based on hypnosis and Misaki can control the brain fluid, it is sure that Misaki can escape from his control(by controlling her own brain) and easily control him back(Misaki's ability's method is directly controlling the brain while Lelouch has to use tips also she is faster and can still control him without her remote. She uses her remote to fasten her ability).

Actually, Misaki has the fastest and most versatile ability. And I pretty sure that her power is stronger that Lelouch if he doesn't have the advantage of home, he would probably the first one to lose since both Shokuhou and Light are smart enough to fight him and also have the better power.
 
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