Things to fix in Tensura Light Novel (Part 1)

[Mizuki67]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Mizuki67/sandbox100
New key for Ranga and Gobta + tier 2 rating for them

From here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Species_(Tensei_Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)

Dimensional Travel should be updated on every profile's that has spiritual lifeform physiology because they are able to cross to other worlds.
(Changes are already applied you can ignore this part)

This should be powernull/resistance ? I dont know cuz it is written in the Spiritual lifeform page that this is Invulnerability. Otherwise this should be conceptual invulnerability since magic is already conceptual
Yeah this is Power Null and Invulnerability (Would like to add to Spiritual Lifeform page)



From the magic and skill page:

Magic and Skills (Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken)

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken has two main sources of power, Magic and Skills. Both are divided into different levels, and different types. On one hand, magic has common abilities that are shared by all individuals that can use that type of magic, meanwhile Skills are, at least on the higher...

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Unique skill should have resistance to mind Manipulation, Corruption type 2 because of this https://gyazo.com/0e288ef46d11f52828850324148f6c17


Intelligence upgrade
Lets take a look at the definition of Supergenius

The highest level of non-omniscient intellect, possessed by individuals with unfathomably superhuman intelligence who are capable of creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for enormously diverse purposes.

In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well. Meaning that there should be an enormous amount of versatility combined with an infinite scale of power and preferably range.

However, take note that, in order to qualify, characters genuinely have to invent things on their own, not mostly rely on already extremely futuristic settings.

Other ways to qualify through non-technological means are to be able to process and understand literally infinite amounts of information, or to design entire realities of infinite complexity through skill and comprehension, rather than just wishing them into existence, and feats of a comparable scale may also reach a Supergenius rating.

We already know that Laws are suppose to be 5-D in Tensura, so they require infinite level of information to fully understand how it works in Tensura

Who qualifies for it ?
Answer: As previously revised, Ultimate skill users all have "All of creation"-Volume 5, Chapter 5 which allows them freely comprehend all unconcealed phenomenon, and they also have the "Greatest insights" - Volume 16, Chapter 2 (translation abit different "higher plane" is "higher beings" in the FTL) which allows them to understand and process information that would normally take a lifetime - Volume 4, Chapter 5. Now, what was left out was the fact that Yuuki was also able to decipher the laws of the world that governs the whole world and Ultimate Skill users just scales above this - Volume 4, Chapter 5

And according to Elizhaa from previous old Tensura thread
She mentioned that Ultimate Skills are devices to grant access to the ultimate principles of the world,[15] being able to control the very laws of nature[23] . So yeah Ultimate Skill users already have access to the available information

Example of people whose intelligence scale to the laws of world
-Rimuru being able to easily understand the "concept" Yuuki is talking about which take a lifetime for him to research and understand
-Diablo who has learnt everything about the Laws of the world and was said to be as smart as Rimuru even without skills like Raphael

Conclusion
Diablo, Rimuru and Yuuki 1st key and all Ultimate Skill users should have their Intelligence upgraded to Supergenius because they were able to understand and evaluate the laws of the world

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Mizuki67/sandbox100
New key for Ranga and Gobta + tier 2 rating for them

Is fine. Tho, I think this scan can also be used for something else, specifically, it seems Spiritual Lifeforms can "boost their energy" via some means to produce an Ultimate level effect, so this could serve as Limited Conceptual Manip and Law Manip on a US user level, rather then their standard baseline for said abilities.
This could serve as a sort of Self-Status Amplification, or maybe Empowerment if that's more applicable.

From here:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Species_(Tensei_Shitara_Slime_Datta_Ken)

Dimensional Travel should be updated on every profile's that has spiritual lifeform physiology because they are able to cross to other worlds.

If you mean range, and sure.

This should be powernull/resistance ? I dont know cuz it is written in the Spiritual lifeform page that this is Invulnerability. Otherwise this should be conceptual invulnerability since magic is already conceptual

I think its rather a combination of power null and Invulnerability. It's not simple resistance since we know Nullification type in tensura nullifies the attack completely, at least on the level of composition its supposed to work. The only way to bypass a physical pain null is to induce spiritual pain, as no level of physical pain would do the job.

Unique skill should have resistance to mind Manipulation, Corruption type 2 because of this https://gyazo.com/0e288ef46d11f52828850324148f6c17

Simple enough, agreed.

 

[Mizuki67]

Is fine. Tho, I think this scan can also be used for something else, specifically, it seems Spiritual Lifeforms can "boost their energy" via some means to produce an Ultimate level effect, so this could serve as Limited Conceptual Manip and Law Manip on a US user level, rather then their standard baseline for said abilities.
This could serve as a sort of Self-Status Amplification, or maybe Empowerment if that's more applicable.

Hmm yeah seems like I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out

 

[CodeCCLL]

I have mentioned this before. Spiritual Lifeforms crossing worlds should only be just interdimensional.

Dimensional Travel (Spiritual Lifeforms can travel through worlds[19])

Interdimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach beyond the conventional space-time of a single universe, into external pocket realities or parts of other universes, but that can't travel a universal distance, can't affect multiple of these other realities at the same time, and can't reach into other multiverses or higher constructs.

Such cases have been discussed many times.

And if also Tier 1 Worlds are accepted, they should be updated to Extradimensional.

Extradimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach outside the conventional space-time of a single universe in a way that isn't covered by any other range ratings. Typically by being able to reach into parts of, but not the entirety of, different realms that lie outside of a standard multiverse, or by being able to reach into multiple timelines simultaneously without covering a universal distance.

I'll look into the rest later.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

looks good

 

[Mizuki67]

Is fine. Tho, I think this scan can also be used for something else, specifically, it seems Spiritual Lifeforms can "boost their energy" via some means to produce an Ultimate level effect, so this could serve as Limited Conceptual Manip and Law Manip on a US user level, rather then their standard baseline for said abilities.

Anyways this sounds like Ultimate AP since we also mention that Ultimate can add their effects to their punches, kicks, and magic before. We can only get it via power boost

This could serve as a sort of Self-Status Amplification, or maybe Empowerment if that's more applicable.

agree with this it could be either

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Anyways this sounds like Ultimate AP since we also mention that Ultimate can add their effects to their punches, kicks, and magic before. We can only get it via power boost

Pretty much. I guess a new rating for SLFs would be needed.
But I think we'll have to do a bit of research on that, because giving temporary Ultimate level AP to all SLFs, even those with weak egos, sounds too good to be true.

 

[Mizuki67]

Pretty much. I guess a new rating for SLFs would be needed.
But I think we'll have to do a bit of research on that, because giving temporary Ultimate level AP to all SLFs, even those with weak egos, sounds too good to be true.

yeah lets just focus on the main thing of the thread first then think it over.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright to me.

@Elizhaa

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

I agree
Shouldn't aca type 4 also be redone?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Shouldn't aca type 4 also be redone?

In what sense?

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

In what sense?

Like removing the "higher degree"

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Like removing the "higher degree"

of whom? I don't remember US users having such, so are you referring to Rimuru and Veldanava?

 

[Elizhaa]

The current proposals look fine.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

The current proposals look fine.

Could you also close it, then.

 

[Elizhaa]

Could you also close it, then.

In general, unless the application of changes is stated to be reserved for another thread in the opening proposals (OP), the changes should be done first before the thread can be closed.

 

[Mizuki67]

Alright, since I also added some new content in this thread without telling you all, I will call one more staff just incase then apply the changes after 48 hours. That is all from me

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

In general, unless the application of changes is stated to be reserved for another thread in the opening proposals (OP), the changes should be done first before the thread can be closed.

Didn't know that, I thought we had to get it closed before applying the changes.
But thanks for informing.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Alright, since I also added some new content in this thread without telling you all, I will call one more staff just incase then apply the changes after 48 hours. That is all from me

What did you add?

 

[Mizuki67]

What did you add?

Intelligence upgrade
Lets take a look at the definition of Supergenius

The highest level of non-omniscient intellect, possessed by individuals with unfathomably superhuman intelligence who are capable of creating impossibly advanced physics-defying and reality-warping fantasy technology for enormously diverse purposes.

In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well. Meaning that there should be an enormous amount of versatility combined with an infinite scale of power and preferably range.

However, take note that, in order to qualify, characters genuinely have to invent things on their own, not mostly rely on already extremely futuristic settings.

Other ways to qualify through non-technological means are to be able to process and understand literally infinite amounts of information, or to design entire realities of infinite complexity through skill and comprehension, rather than just wishing them into existence, and feats of a comparable scale may also reach a Supergenius rating.
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We already know that Laws are suppose to be 5-D in Tensura, so they require infinite level of information to fully understand how it works in Tensura

Who qualifies for it ?
Answer: As previously revised, Ultimate skill users all have "All of creation"-Volume 5, Chapter 5 which allows them freely comprehend all unconcealed phenomenon, and they also have the "Greatest insights" - Volume 16, Chapter 2 (translation abit different "higher plane" is "higher beings" in the FTL) which allows them to understand and process information that would normally take a lifetime - Volume 4, Chapter 5. Now, what was left out was the fact that Yuuki was also able to decipher the laws of the world that governs the whole world and Ultimate Skill users just scales above this - Volume 4, Chapter 5

And according to Elizhaa from previous old Tensura thread
She mentioned that Ultimate Skills are devices to grant access to the ultimate principles of the world,[15] being able to control the very laws of nature[23] . So yeah Ultimate Skill users already have access to the available information

Example of people whose intelligence scale to the laws of world
-Rimuru being able to easily understand the "concept" Yuuki is talking about which take a lifetime for him to research and understand
-Diablo who has learnt everything about the Laws of the world and was said to be as smart as Rimuru even without skills like Raphael

Conclusion
Diablo, Rimuru and Yuuki 1st key and all Ultimate Skill users should have their Intelligence upgraded to Supergenius because they were able to understand and evaluate the laws of the world

Just to let you know @DarkDragonMedeus and @Elizhaa has already accepted my proposal when my edits was already done. It is just that I am asking one more staff for clarification because I do not want open many threads at the same time

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Just to let you know @DarkDragonMedeus and @Elizhaa has already accepted my proposal when my edits was already done. It is just that I am asking one more staff for clarification because I do not want open many threads at the same time

Unless supergenius is a rating that requires 3 staff in general, why would you need one more if both Elizhaa and DDM have already evaluated it?

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

of whom? I don't remember US users having such, so are you referring to Rimuru and Veldanava?

i thought veldora also had but only veldanava should have it,rimuru should lose it

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

i thought veldora also had but only veldanava should have it,rimuru should lose it

Rimuru's existence is comparable to Veldanava [the avatar], so it should be fine.
Plus Velgrynd's Ultimate Skill transcends most other Ultimate Skills, so that stands as well.
Plus someone like Dagruel, who is comparable to true dragons, transcends the laws of not just physics but also magic

物理も魔法も超越した、破壊神のような存在。それがダグリュールなのだから、近接戦闘など自殺行為そのものだった。
He was like a god of destruction, transcending both Physics and Magic. Since this was Dagruel, melee combat was suicide itself.

 

[Mizuki67]

Unless supergenius is a rating that requires 3 staff in general, why would you need one more if both Elizhaa and DDM have already evaluated it?

alright then. I guess you could do the edits for me ? I am pretty busy right now
Just do the edits and close this

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

alright then. I guess you could do the edits for me ? I am pretty busy right now
Just do the edits and close this

I've done so to all Ultimate Skill users. Although, Chloe is left out because her profile is locked.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

 

[Antvasima]

Unless it has been explicitly stated that these characters can process literally infinite amounts of information they do not remotely qualify for Supergenius statistics, and even real world artificial intelligence supercomputers can easily very quickly process information that would take humans a lifetime to understand. This clearly only seems to qualify for Extraordinary Genius, not remotely Supergenius, and you are required to change ALL of the Supergenius statistics that you applied because of this revision to Extraordinary Genius instead. Period.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Unless it has been explicitly stated that these characters can process literally infinite amounts of information they do not remotely qualify for Supergenius statistics, and even real world artificial intelligence supercomputers can easily very quickly process information that would take humans a lifetime to understand. This clearly only seems to qualify for Extraordinary Genius, not remotely Supergenius,

Wouldn't something like abstract laws that encompass a Low 1-C structure qualify for "Infinite Information"? That's the main point here.

and you are required to change ALL of the Supergenius statistics that you applied because of this revision to Extraordinary Genius instead. Period.

No problem with me

 

[Antvasima]

Wouldn't something like abstract laws that encompass a Low 1-C structure qualify for "Infinite Information"? That's the main point here.

An infinite scale of influence does not automatically translate into literally infinite processing ability, unless it has been explicitly clarified, especially given that it was specified to be on "merely" real world supercomputer level right afterwards.

No problem with me

Thank you for being reasonable. It is very appreciated.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

An infinite scale of influence does not automatically translate into literally infinite processing ability, unless it has been explicitly clarified, especially given that it was specified to be on "merely" real world supercomputer level right afterwards.

I see.
Though, on the "Supercomputer" note, Raphael is not comparable or equal to those computers, it's superior to them. So that wouldn't be an Anti-feat, I think.

Thank you for being reasonable. It is very appreciated.

No problem, I ought to at least clear the mess I created.
Edit: Apologies if you got multiple pings, it was an internet issue from my part, and I've deleted the duplicated messages with that reason.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Thank you for being reasonable. It is very appreciated.

I've fixed all of them as promised.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you very much for helping out.

So all of the Supergenius ratings that you added because of this thread have been changed to Extraordinary Genius then?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Thank you very much for helping out.

So all of the Supergenius ratings that you added because of this thread have been changed to Extraordinary Genius then?

Yep, and no problem.

 

[Antvasima]

Thanks again. I will unsubscribe from this thread then.