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The Z fighters fight the wrong aliens. Kinshiki and Momosiki vs the Z fighters

Ricsi-viragosi

Ricsi-viragosi

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Kinshiki and Momoshiki arrive on earth like nappa and vegeta did, albeit a week eralier.

The z fighters are forced to fight them, but krillin accidentaly mentioned the dragon balls and momo now knows he can get immortality as long as piccolo lives.

everyone 100% in character, SBA be damned.


Z-Fighters: Son Goha, Piccolo, Krilli, Yamcha, Tie and Chiaotzu

The alien ninja magic gods: Kinshiki Ōtsutsuki and Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki, both at their strongest. lava golem already out.
 
Mind you, they are com0letly in character.

Momo is still an arrogant prick.

Krillin is still getting rekt by reality.

Gogan is still a crybaby.

Yamcha is still yamcha
 
Momoshiki and Kinshiki get my vote because of hax and because of the people they are fighting lol. Yamacha like for real??? He is fodder to saibaman who naruto stumps. Now switch Saibaman with Momoshiki in a fight with Yamacha -_-. Yamacha gets stumped to heaven.

Gohan is the next easiest besides yamach to beat. He literally fights with his emotions and would spam Ki blast that will get absorbed and returned back at him 3x as strong.

Krillin is Krillin lol. He thinks he is so smart and crafty but he would try to sneak in a distructo disk while they arent paying attention and gets it absorbed because momoshiki's senses are next level and he has like a 360 degree field of view counting the rinnegans on his hands if they are open.

Chiaotzu is literally fodder lol paralysis in Naruto verse gets resisted by simply being stronger than the caster.

Piccolo is the only one worth making a debate for but he gets stumped by the combine efforts of Fusion Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Small Planet level to planet level weapons flying at him from every direction and Momoshiki with giant flaming birds and wood snakes and earth monsters towering over Piccolo is obviously a missmatch. He even needs prep to use his strongest attack which gets absorbed and fired back many times stronger than Piccolo's already increased Ap
 
Z fighters take it no diff, momoshiki is fodder in taijutsu so god damn bad than even a kage is slightly better and that is saying alot, kinshiki aint even that strong to begin with overhype fans cause his over the top hype 2 kages were more than enough to easily seal him something even 5 kages could not do to a Mere Madara who was playing around, after watching boruto this is even more apparent.
 
Momoshiki isnt fodder in taijutsu anymore lmao next episode and manga implies that when he asborbed Kinshiki his taijutsu got way better since he will smash base naruto
 
I don't want to sound... IDK, biased? but kinshiki and by extension momo sdhould at least have the innate taijutsu like hyuugas do.

And saying his fodder at taijutsu while ignoring his abilities feeels really stupid. Its like saying sans loses because his not a martial artist.

The z fighters can win as long as they look out to not be absorbed, don't use ki attacks (suicide included) and don't try to just attack him head on but use some tactic, but their h2h should not be enough to close the ability gap alone
 
BMWFanboy said:
*2 Kages who sealed him thanks to Sasuke using Chidori which has numbing effects
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not an excuse as even prior to sasuke chidori he got punched by a mere kage and had slight dif with them, this is what happens when fans use databooks instead of canon, Kinshiki at most is slightly stronger than average kage but not strong enough to face 5 of them at the same time like Madara or Hashirama Could, thus his whole profile stats are completely fan bias, Planet level Striking Strength and durability is way beyond just overhype is plain wanking if his powe were trully that level even all kagesin existent attacking him wont even scratch him much less move him from his place and no kage would resist even 1 attack from him but as seen they do

just because he is an otsusuki doesnt mean you need to put his strength through the roof for no apparent reason when its clear his power is Kage tier at best i wont even put him in the same leve as Nagato
 
Dbknowitall said:
BMWFanboy said:
*2 Kages who sealed him thanks to Sasuke using Chidori which has numbing effects
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not an excuse as even prior to sasuke chidori he got punched by a mere kage and had slight dif with them, this is what happens when fans use databooks instead of canon, Kinshiki at most is slightly stronger than average kage but not strong enough to face 5 of them at the same time like Madara or Hashirama Could, thus his whole profile stats are completely fan bias, Planet level Striking Strength and durability is way beyond just overhype is plain wanking if his powe were trully that level even all kagesin existent attacking him wont even scratch him much less move him from his place and no kage would resist even 1 attack from him but as seen they do
just because he is an otsusuki doesnt mean you need to put his strength through the roof for no apparent reason when its clear his power is Kage tier at best i wont even put him in the same leve as Nagato
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One Kage punched him and did what? Did it hurt him? No. Did it make him bleed? No. Just because the Kage punched him doesn't mean shit, it's called PIS/Outlier. You're being excessively verbose to excuse your lack of a decent argument. He still consistently kept up with Sasuke and even overpowered him. One Kage punching him (which also did literally nothing) is no excuse to put him below where he is.

Nagato? Nagato wouldn't even be able to see Kinshiki coming, tf are you smoking?
 
Dbknowitall said:
BMWFanboy said:
*2 Kages who sealed him thanks to Sasuke using Chidori which has numbing effects
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not an excuse as even prior to sasuke chidori he got punched by a mere kage and had slight dif with them, this is what happens when fans use databooks instead of canon, Kinshiki at most is slightly stronger than average kage but not strong enough to face 5 of them at the same time like Madara or Hashirama Could, thus his whole profile stats are completely fan bias, Planet level Striking Strength and durability is way beyond just overhype is plain wanking if his powe were trully that level even all kagesin existent attacking him wont even scratch him much less move him from his place and no kage would resist even 1 attack from him but as seen they do
just because he is an otsusuki doesnt mean you need to put his strength through the roof for no apparent reason when its clear his power is Kage tier at best i wont even put him in the same leve as Nagato
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just make a CRT if you have a problem with their scaling
 
Goku alone would curbstomp the selected Z Fighters and Nappa combined. Fused Momoshiki would curbstomp Goku. Not exactly hard to come to the conclusion that Momoshiki and Kinshiki >> Z Fighters. Hell, I feel Kinshiki alone may be enough to handle the Z Fighters seeing as he is essentially the 'Nappa' of Naruto. To give an idea of how I view it, Naruto and Sasuke = Base Goku (Saiyan saga). Fused Momoshiki = 2x Naruto or Sasuke.

So I scale it as:

Fused Momoshiki = Vegeta

Naruto = Base Goku = Sasuke

Nappa = Momoshiki

Kinshiki
 
I mean, AP wise its definitly debatable:

Supressed piccolo= 70 zettatons

Raditz can one-shot him.

Krillin and others can one-shot saibamen.

Kinshi is 100~200 zettatons

Momo is, as of now, >400 zettatons.


Ap wise, most Z warriors can defeat Kinshiki, but of course, there is versatility too
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
plus, piccolo won't get killed, no matter what.
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Kinshiki and Momoshiki are both around Kaguya's level with a transformed Momoshiki being much stronger. Kaguya was, IIRC, 200 Zettatons. It's a bit difficult to quantify or state how powerful Piccolo actually was when he performed the Moon feat so lemme just do a rough estimate of say...a power level of 700? This may be a lowball considering his power level was 3,500 when he fought Nappa, he was most likely above this but whatever.

Now, if we go off the basis that Power Level == Stats (Which is somewhat canon considering Kaio-Ken purely multiplies your abilities which is an outright power level multiplication) then that would mean 70 Zettatons == PL 700. 210 Zettatons == 2100 PL. This would place Kinshiki at 2100, Piccolo at 3500 and Momoshiki somewhere above Kinshiki. The primary advantage Kinshiki has would be his Byakugan and Chakra constructs, neither of which can outright vaporise Piccolo. So, yes, you would be right that Piccolo would not die to Kinshiki, unless of course we bump our assumption of the 70 Zettaton feat to have been from a stronger Piccolo but we can't really prove this either way.

So, how powerful is Momoshiki then? Well if we go based on the above thoughts, Momoshiki is at least 2100 PL/210 Zettatons in terms of base power. He is almost certainly above this level but I lack the care or interest to calculate how much higher. Point being, The only Z Fighter above these two is Piccolo but Momoshiki can outright absorb Piccolo's attacks and reflect them at greater power. The main danger here however is Momoshiki post-Kinshiki absorption.

At a bare minimum, Momoshiki would have fully absorbed Kinshiki's power which would place him over 4200 PL or 420 Zettatons. Nappa with a PL of 4000 (or 400 zettatons) was capable of effortlessly curbstomping the Z Fighters. This is not including that Momoshiki is overall a more skilled and diverse fighter than the Z Fighters as a whole.

So, overall. I would say Kinshiki can solo everyone but Piccolo. Momoshiki may or may not be capable of defeating Piccolo. Momoshiki Post-Absorb would curbstomp Piccolo.
 
I think it was later said he only had a pl in the 330 ranges by time he destroyed the moon. I could be misremembering though.

Edit: 329 [1] after an unknown amount of training after the moon feat, and it's unknown if he had weights here. This could be a mistranslation though, idk.
 
Well, that seems to be accurate as far as I can tell. With that in mind, Kaguya and Kinshiki are both likely at or above 1,000 whilst Momoshiki is above that level. It's worth noting that Naruto and Sasuke would have been around 500~ range when they fought Kaguya whereas they are over a decade and a half older in Boruto with Sasuke clearly displaying massive increases in power, yet Momoshiki and Kinshiki are depicted as being stronger than Kaguya. (Sasuke and Naruto were slightly superior to Kinshiki), as such the argument could be made that they are all around 1,000+ and Momoshiki Post-Absorb would be 2,000+. This would overall imply that Piccolo may soundly defeated them.

However, I would still have to give this to the Ayy Lmaos seeing as this is Post-Absorb Momoshiki, 100% Kinshiki and the Lava Golem all at once against the Z Fighters. Albeit this would be a much closer fight if we take into account that 329 PL figure.

Post-Absorb Momoshiki >> Z-Fighters (Other than Piccolo). Post-Absorb Momoshiki + Kinshiki + Lava Golem > Piccolo. Of course, this doesn't take into account that Momoshiki can simply devour more chakra pills to grow stronger and stronger and nothing says that Momoshiki can't just absorb Kinshiki again.
 
so it's Z fighters vs Momoshiki fused, Kinshiki, and the Golem? but none of thatmakessensethepersonneedstobeinthegolemandmomoatekinshikisohowcanthere beadeadkinshikiandanaliveonethisisbiasedaffreee
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
so it's Z fighters vs Momoshiki fused, Kinshiki, and the Golem?
but none of thatmakessensethepersonneedstobeinthegolemandmomoatekinshikisohowcanthere beadeadkinshikiandanaliveonethisisbiasedaffreee
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_Insert shrug_
 
There is only one kinshiki, its just his strongest version and he's already using the golem.

And no, kinshiki himself isn't above kaguya (he's only 200 zettatons scaling to sasuke), and kaguya is 400 zettatons
 
If we use power level scaling to evaluate AP, Piccolo's moon bust of 69.69 zettatons was at a power level of 408 (322 technically since he had his weighted clothes on, which was the power level then). Nappa said he had a power level of 1220, so using the quotient of those power levels as the multiplier, that makes Piccolo 208 zettatons.

Then there's the fact that the saibamen were stated to have power levels over 1200, and Piccolo ca vaporize them. However Daizenshuu 7 says his power level is 3500, making him 598 zettatons. Piccolo was also able to harm Nappa, however slightly, who had a power level of 4000.

There's also Gohan who has the highest variable power level of 2800 with ki blasts, equating to 478.2 zettatons.

Krillin was able to vaporize multiple saibamen, and Tien scales above him. Chiaotzu and Yamcha are useless here.
 
You can't multply powers like that, no.

However, they can one-shot people who are at least 100 zettatons
 
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