The Ultimate Life Form fights The DNA Pokemon (Grace)

[ShadowWarrior1999]

He targets Devil Doom's eyes in Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Again, where's the clue that stamina was involved? Him being unable to hold the Super Form since it's his first time has nothing to do with him being tired. Sonic even says Shadow will "disappear". Are we supposed to take that literally as well despite it never being mentioned after that point?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bro, you joking? You're making the argument that passing out and nearly dying has nothing to do with stamina despite the fact that it's not only case for fiction, but real life? Excuse me for answering your question with another question but if that's not reliant on stamina, what is it reliant on?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Where did Shadow nearly pass out? Also no, nearly dying has nothing to do with being tired.

 

[The_Smashor]

Shadow losing his super form at the end of SA2 is because of Plot-Induced Stupidity, plain and simple. They needed to kill him off to create emotions, so they made him die (And then made him not die) reguardless of how much sence it makes.

Reguardless of Shadow's experience hitting weak points, a purple glowy bit seems kind of obvious. Shadow's not stupid.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also someone counter the points I brought up. How's Shadow, who's limited to only damaging non-physical attacks here supposed to win against Deoxys who holds every advantage but raw AP?

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'll counter after we discuss. Stop pushing multiple fronts and demanding so many answers to questions when I'm focusing on one.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I could maybe see the Pis argument if it wasn't Shadow's first appearance. Everything after that was based on his SA2 debut.

 

[The_Smashor]

By hitting it's brain, which is clearly exposed and is a pretty obvious weak spot in a place you'd probably hit anyway.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Again, Deoxys brain is more durable than Deoxys body.

 

[Spinoirr]

Shadow fra

 

[Sans2345]

That's grace

 

[The_Smashor]

Deoxys brain is more durable then it's body? Well does it have the same resistances?

I retract my vote for Shadow to keep this discussion going, as Shadow winning is genuninely questionable currently.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Ah shit, sorry about missing your expectations Cal.

Gotta go!

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

To further my argument, there's also Counter and Mirror Coat to reflect anything that does hit. And Deoxys has insane defense boosts to add onto it.

So to summarize:

• All of Shadow's hax gets nullified by Taunt and Snatch. That includes teleportation
• Most damage is useless due to Deoxys's cellular structure absorbing attacks, plus its regen
• Shadow's chances of hitting are slim due to duplication spam and illusions and invisibility flight. Shadow would have to bypass the illusions and invisibility, reach the right Deoxys in the air, and hit him
• Deoxys still has forcefields to rely on, as well as crazy defense boosts
• On the off chance that Shadow lands any meaningful damage, it gets reflected right back at double power due to Counter/Mirror Coat

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ah shit, sorry about missing your expectations Cal.

Gotta go!

Don't worry about it broski. Take care.

 

[The_Smashor]

The Counter/Mirrior Coat arguement is flimsy, but otherwise this seems to be an absolute stomp in Deoxys' favor.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Deoxys gets overshadowed by Mewtwo but it's still really powerful. Dude's so badass that it's the first Pokémon to get its own unique theme music that it doesn't share with anything else.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

>Cal mentions Taunt while Shadow has resistance to Mind Manipulation and Status Effect Inducement

Nani?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

When is power null any of those things?

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I'm gonna be honest, a power called Taunt being classified as powernull is incredibly nonsensical to me, Especifically when it just let you use offensive techniques.

 

[Theuser789]

Mega Rayquaza destroying the meteor that was going to destroy the planet in the Delta episode of ORAS

Also grace for Shadow is still active even though Smashor retracted his vote

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm gonna be honest, a power called Taunt being classified as powernull is incredibly nonsensical to me, Especifically when it just let you use offensive techniques.

That matters how? If that's how the move works than tough luck.

 

[The_Smashor]

Taunt is just angering your opponent. It's definitely not powernull. It has a similar effect, but it's not actual powernull. It's just empathetic manipulation that causes enemies to only use attacks.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

"Afflicts the targeted enemy with a Taunted status condition, which restricts a Pokémon to using only moves that inflict damage."

Then take it to a CRT because every Pokémon has it as power null.

 

[The_Smashor]

Yeah, well it's a status effect. Which Shadow is immune to.

 

[Kepekley23]

Does any Pokémon medium outside of the gameplay treat it as Power Null?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Time stop and death is a status effect in Final Fantasy. Guess Shadow's immune to both of those. You're only immune to the status effects in the game it comes from. It's not a catch all. Even if it was, it's item based and Deoxys has Knock Off.

 

[The_Smashor]

You didn't play dark chronicles. You can't prove taunt isn't a status effect in that game

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Does any Pokémon medium outside of the gameplay treat it as Power Null?

Mystery Dungeon

 

[The_Smashor]

Outside of gameplay meaning things like the Anime and Manga.

 

[Kepekley23]

'Kay.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

With that out of the way, my points seem to be thoroughly ignored thus far.

 

[TriforcePower1]

DNA FRA

 

[Theuser789]

The votes are

Shadow-8

Deoxys-7

 

[The_Smashor]

I'll vote for Deoxys to stop grace. As of now we're still arguing.

 

[Theuser789]

Grace actualy doesn't stop with your vote actualy, since that count was without your vote

 

[The_Smashor]

What

 

[Theuser789]

Shadow fra

This dude voted, so it was eight votes for Shadow including yours

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It's still a three vote margin so grace is still going.