The Space Beyond Downgrade(Ben 10)

[Sharkass]

My last thread got accidentally posted so if the mods find it please lock it. Thanks

Ben 10 Cosmology

It is a big Universe, Ben, full of wonder and variety and... yes, incredible grossness.Rook to Ben This page will cover Ben 10 Terminology and Cosmology. This page will use statements from the Ben 10 series, Novels, and Other verified information from secondary sources that are supported by the...

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Cosmology page for Ben 10.

The current accepted dimensions for this verse are as follows
Each Dimension inside a timeline: Universe level+ (4-D)

Individual Timeline: Multiverse level+ (Infinite 4-D)

Timestream/Crosstime: Low Complex Multiverse level (5-D)

Hypertimeline: Complex Multiverse level (6-D)

White Void/Nothingness: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely Hyperverse level (25-D)

The Universe: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely Hyperverse level (25-D)

The Space Beyond/Omniverse: Hyperverse level (26-D)

Now the thing is even though space beyond is said to be 26D it's not possible since it contradicts other events like:-
MAP OF INFINITY:- According to Asmuth the map of infinity is a map of all of space time that stretches upto 17-Dimensions. And with this map aggregor travelled to the forge of creation which exists in the Space Beyond. Now if the map really spans to only 17D how does one use it to travel to the 26th dimension with it? It's like going to Washington DC with a map of Asia and Africa. So if Forge of creation is really in the 26th dimension then it's impossible to travel there with the map.
So only explanation is Asmuth was wrong and the map does goes to 26D. But it's highly unlikely since paradox repeatedly mentioned Asmuth as the smartest mind in the universe. Also Albedo with Asmuth's brain could perceive the omniversal force thus his chances of being wrong is negligible.
Thus according to Paradox celestialsapiens being the supreme power are at most 17Dimensional Being. Also Paradox himself never said anything about the higher dimensions so it's possible that there are planes were even he can't go or isn't aware of with the chrono navigator which is the gps for Paradox's version of "All of existence" and the only possible explanation is there are dimensions beyond the "space beyond" that was never revealed.

Furthermore technology are classified into 20 levels.

Technology Levels

Technology Levels are the levels of complication, danger or sophistication given to various technologies and advanced objects in the Ben 10 series. Known tech levels thus far are 1-20, although some technologies are confirmed to be higher than Level 20. Hammers Sharpened sticks Levers Pulleys...

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Chrono navigator is a 20+ level tech that can end all of existence. But the naljain tech being also a 20+ level tech is nothing but a children's toy. So it means naljain civilization has technology beyond paradox's comprehension and thus upto paradox's knowledge celestialsapens are the supreme race which is unlikely since he isn't aware of superior dimensions due to the above facts.

Conclusion:-
Cosmology should be
Each Dimension inside a timeline: Universe level+ (4-D)


Individual Timeline: Multiverse level+ (Infinite 4-D)


Timestream/Crosstime: Low Complex Multiverse level (5-D)


Hypertimeline: Complex Multiverse level (6-D)


White Void/Nothingness: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely higher


The Universe: At least Complex Multiverse level (6-D), likely higher


The Space Beyond:- Atleast (17D), likely higher


Omniverse:- (26D).


FOR ALIEN X:- Atleast 17D, possibly higher.


Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I feel like I've seen this exact thread 5 times before and it has always been rejected. The OP doesn't seem any different from before so I'll wait for supporters to give their thoughts.

 

[Reiner04]

@Vzearr defend Ben 10 you mf

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

@Hellformer if I am not wrong, it was decided that omniversal force caps at hypertimestream of chronalrandomisation barrier right?
Won't that contradict and disprove this entire CRT?

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

MAP OF INFINITY:- According to Asmuth the map of infinity is a map of all of space time that stretches upto 17-Dimensions.

Prove those dimensions were spatial

 

[Sharkass]

Prove those dimensions were spatial

It is treated as spatial since you can go to the space beyond with it. If it's not spatial then nothing makes sense. Then space beyond isn't higher dimensional infact it will be inside "the universe". And the universe has infinite dimensions in a single timeline so the map would be useless. It's undoubtedly spatial.

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

It is treated as spatial since you can go to the space beyond with it. If it's not spatial then nothing makes sense. Then space beyond isn't higher dimensional infact it will be inside "the universe". And the universe has infinite dimensions in a single timeline so the map would be useless. It's undoubtedly spatial.

What are you even trying to say?
Elaborate it properly

 

[Reiner04]

Yeah. Those 17 dimensions aren't accepted as higher dimensional here due to lack of evidence.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

@Vzearr defend Ben 10 you mf

Isn't it your's?

 

[Reiner04]

Isn't it your's?

Idk I just wanted to call him mf so couldn’t miss the opportunity..

 

[Deleted member 40129]

What even is this? My record is broken now.

 

[Lort15]

I feel like I've seen this exact thread 5 times before and it has always been rejected. The OP doesn't seem any different from before so I'll wait for supporters to give their thoughts.

+

 

[Sharkass]

Yeah. Those 17 dimensions aren't accepted as higher dimensional here due to lack of evidence.

If it isn't spatial then it's either parallel or normal dimensions like dimension 12. So how does aggregor go to the space beyond if it doesn't even stretch beyond "the universe"?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Now the thing is even though space beyond is said to be 26D it's not possible since it contradicts other events like:-

MAP OF INFINITY:- According to Asmuth the map of infinity is a map of all of space time that stretches upto 17-Dimensions. And with this map aggregor travelled to the forge of creation which exists in the Space Beyond. Now if the map really spans to only 17D how does one use it to travel to the 26th dimension with it? It's like going to Washington DC with a map of Asia and Africa. So if Forge of creation is really in the 26th dimension then it's impossible to travel there with the map.
So only explanation is Asmuth was wrong and the map does goes to 26D. But it's highly unlikely since paradox repeatedly mentioned Asmuth as the smartest mind in the universe. Also Albedo with Asmuth's brain could perceive the omniversal force thus his chances of being wrong is negligible.
Thus according to Paradox celestialsapiens being the supreme power are at most 17Dimensional Being. Also Paradox himself never said anything about the higher dimensions so it's possible that there are planes were even he can't go or isn't aware of with the chrono navigator which is the gps for Paradox's version of "All of existence" and the only possible explanation is there are dimensions beyond the "space beyond" that was never revealed.

Ngl, 17 dimensions is 17 annihilarrgh universes, 26-D is it has nothing to do with universe.

Furthermore technology are classified into 20 levels.

Technology Levels

Technology Levels are the levels of complication, danger or sophistication given to various technologies and advanced objects in the Ben 10 series. Known tech levels thus far are 1-20, although some technologies are confirmed to be higher than Level 20. Hammers Sharpened sticks Levers Pulleys...

ben10.fandom.com

Chrono navigator is a 20+ level tech that can end all of existence. But the naljain tech being also a 20+ level tech is nothing but a children's toy. So it means naljain civilization has technology beyond paradox's comprehension and thus upto paradox's knowledge celestialsapens are the supreme race which is unlikely since he isn't aware of superior dimensions due to the above facts.

How??? You using Derrick's statement And this is not acceptable in this wiki unless it is proven in a show

If it isn't spatial then it's either parallel or normal dimensions like dimension 12. So how does aggregor go to the space beyond if it doesn't even stretch beyond "the universe"?

It has been mentioned that it extends beyond the universe in the same episode.

 

[Reiner04]

If it isn't spatial then it's either parallel or normal dimensions like dimension 12. So how does aggregor go to the space beyond if it doesn't even stretch beyond "the universe"?

We don't know what those dimensions are about. They could be collection of anything all we know is that it includes forge of creation too.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

We don't know what those dimensions are about. They could be collection of anything all we know is that it includes forge of creation too.

Also I must beware that he uses a statement from Derrick, which is should be don't use

 

[Sharkass]

Ngl, 17 dimensions is 17 annihilarrgh universes, 26-D is it has nothing to do with universe.

How??? You using Derrick's statement And this is not acceptable in this wiki unless it is proven in a show

It has been mentioned that it extends beyond the universe in the same episode.

Where does it say 17 dimensions refer to 17 anilarg universes?

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

If it isn't spatial then it's either parallel or normal dimensions like dimension 12. So how does aggregor go to the space beyond if it doesn't even stretch beyond "the universe"?

It's more like :
Omniversal force/ spacetime extends through 26+ higher (spatiotemporal) dimensions and 17 dimensions (unknown nature, likely realms)

 

[Hellformer]

Those 17 dimensions accross which the map of infinity extends, have never been said to be spatial. Those could be anything as in important realms, Annihilarrgh Universes, etc.
Hard disagree with the downgrade

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Where does it say 17 dimensions refer to 17 anilarg universes?

Well

Burden of proof fallacy
This is when someone attempts to make someone else prove a claim when the burden of proof is really on them to prove it. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim.

Example:

"Goku is faster than light speed because you can't prove he's not!"

 

[Reiner04]

@Firestorm808 what should be done here? This thread doesn't seems to have any substance Basing off things that doesn't indicate or ever elaborated as axiomatic dimensions.

 

[Shadowslaya!]

This shit is so ass bub.

 

[AsterReal]

I feel like I've seen this exact thread 5 times before and it has always been rejected. The OP doesn't seem any different from before so I'll wait for supporters to give their thoughts.

If that is the case, should there not be a rule of discussion for the subject? Something like:"do not try to lower the cosmology of Ben 10 because the map of the Multiverse marks 17 Dimensions but the Forge of Creation exists in 27 dimensions.". (That is, I do not know the verse so much, it may be in a mistake.).

 

[Firestorm808]

@Firestorm808 what should be done here? This thread doesn't seems to have any substance Basing off things that doesn't indicate or ever elaborated as axiomatic dimensions.

I disagree with the OP.

If 3 staff total staff disagree, then we can mark this thread as concluded.

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

@Firestorm808 what should be done here? This thread doesn't seems to have any substance Basing off things that doesn't indicate or ever elaborated as axiomatic dimensions.

I disagree with the OP.

If 3 staff total staff disagree, then we can mark this thread as concluded.

Do you guys think that if we get 3 staff disagreements, then instead of closing it we should make a discussion rule regarding space beyond downgrades ?

 

[Reiner04]

Do you guys think that if we get 3 staff disagreements, then instead of closing it we should make a discussion rule regarding space beyond downgrades ?

No.

 

[Reiner04]

Considering the lack of scans in the OP, with no scans of any kind to support the claims of those 17 dimensions being higher-dimensional, and how we have even scrutinized statements as straightforward as the 26 dimensions (with proper context) of being higher-dimensional, a low-effort CRT with two staff disagreements knowledgeable on verse. I consider it waste of time to allow it staying open any longer. Closing.