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The Skill vs The Succ

I mean, if he just senses danger and not the actual threat, then I don't think that'll be enough. He's not gonna know that all Cole has to do is stretch and suddenly he no longer has neurons. Unless I'm getting this wrong.
 
Hakurou dodges a million shards omni-directional attack from Kyoya Tachibana with Heavengaze so he can easily deal with Danmaku and his profile is missing with Hasten though that boosts his thinking process by 1,000 times

Hakurou can also use Coercion (Fear, Confusion, Sleep (Knockout)) whenever he feels like it but it won't be his opening move but he'll eventually use it
 
His Formhide allows him to lose sight from Magic Sense. He managed to slip past Rimuru's Magic Sense, Sense Soundwaves, Sense Heat Source, Sense Smell with that.

Magic Sense allows the user to have 360 vision that percieves light waves and sound waves and give that information to calculate the visual, auditory and other wave-based information of the surroundings. Magic Sense also enables users to be aware of their environment in battle even if blind or deaf and prevent a surprise attack.

 
Coercion gets noped by resistance unless it's better than city spanning.

Can he hide his Bio-electricity? If not, Radar Sense detects him just fine.
 
Bio-electricity? What's that? If he can fool Magic Sense and other of Rimuru's sense stuffs then I see why not

Monsters such as Hakurou are made up of Magic atoms and their birth was caused by High concentration of Magic atoms. I'm not sure if that will grant them Inorganic Physiology since I'm too iffy on that part but I'm halfway done with my blog explaining their physiology.
 
I mean, unless he has Inorganic Physiology, then I see no reason for him not to have Bio-Electricity. Literally all organic life has it by default. Meaning Radar Sense and Ionic Drain will work just fine. Probably warrants a CRT since it's a deciding factor here.

@Milly In that case, Cole no-sells. His resistance is in the millions.
 
I see then I'm not sure either if Ionic drain will work on Hakurou either due to their unique physiology.

Hakurou still has Heavengaze (a better version of Magic Sense) and has a skill to lose sight from his opponents. He still has 300+ years of swordsman experience (He's the sword saint of the verse) and many stat amps that boosts his strength. His casual attack even destroys several layer of barriers imbued with resistances such as "resist physical attack" from Rimuru which shocked him.
 
I mean, Monsters from Undertale are usually (with exceptions) considered to be organic last I checked. Not sure if that's the same.

Magic Sense will help him keep track of Cole at least, even while dealing with his minions, danmaku, homing attacks, and all the etcetera being thrown his way. I will grant you that. Skill is kind of less of an issue though. A large chunk of Cole's wins on this site have him up against people who vastly outskill him. As long as he can abuse range and find an opening for his hax, he can beat people who resist 90% of his attacks. This is only further complicated by his default speed advantage and his own amps.

AP, especially amped AP is going to be a problem. Cole scales above someone who is just below baseline by waking up. It's impressive, but it's still just above baseline.

I guess this comes down to two things.

1. Can Hakurou beat Danmaku? Dodging omni directional attacks is impressive, but here he's going to be dodging homing rockets, projectiles shot out by tiny quick moving minions, massive AOE thunderbolts that channel across every metal surface nearby, rockets that split in half like a trip wire, thunderstorms, and tornados. Worst is that Cole can do most of these things just by pointing his hand in your direction. Depending on how good Haku's Prediction is, he's not hoing to have any tell for what Cole's going to throw at him.

2. Can Haku survive Ionic Drain?

Voting Inconclusive until those can be answered.
 
1. Yes, Hakurou still has Hasten Thought which increases his thinking speed and perception speed by a thousand times and he always activates it when he's going to fight. Here's a reference to how deadly perception speed is (although this is from Mind Accelerate which boosts the user's thought and perception process by 1,000,000 times but it gives you a bigger picture):

I could use Mind Accelerate to speed up my brain a million times until it felt like time stopped. I could even cast spells in that state, making it look like I could just think of a magic spell to set it off.
Kneading together a big ball of magic was a terribly inefficient use of my time, so I didn't opt for that here. Unlike a full spell, which could be conceived and cast through one's will (or knowledge, in other words), controlling one's aura always led to a time lag. Of course, I could handle that because I had Cast Cancel and All of Creation. No matter how long and intricate a spell was, living life a million times slower than normal made it simple. One second, after all, now felt like two hundred and seventy-seven hours. Even the fanciest of spells could be pulled off in less than a day, so that meant I could trigger them in less than a tenth of a second. With regular magic, it was simple for me to set off multiples at the same time, even.
~ LN Volume 6​
"Do you see that you can't win now? So let me ask you. Tell me what you know and who you're cooperating with. Be honest with me, and I'll give you a painless death."
"Ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa! I am a walking dead! Kill me all you want; I'll just resurrect myself and come back later to kill— Ounngh?!"

I punched him. Then again, and again and again, without a word. I also applied Mind Accelerate, speeding it up a million times for him. Raphael could influence not just my perspective but those of people around me.

In the real world, it lasted several seconds. But in Clayman's mind, I was continually punching him, tormenting him with pain and terror, for several dozen days. So I could carve that pain and terror into his soul. And in those few seconds
~ LN Volume 6​
2. Well here I'm not sure either given the verses unique physiology. I'll give you the quotes regarding about it:


Here's how the soul works in Slime

As the Great Sage explained, there were three types of topological forms in the world: astral bodies, the weakest form that surrounds the soul; spiritual bodies, which can form a base upon which to build one's internal force; and material bodies, those directly connected with this world.
~ LN Volume 4​
More description

A soul is a consciousness, by definition, but that alone didn't provide the consciousness any way to express itself. It still needed an astral body to operate upon and begin the thought process—but that wasn't enough, either, since any thoughts produced would just dissipate into the wind. That's where the spiritual body came in, to record and keep those thoughts captive. Even that was still a virtual memory, though, not any kind of permanent storage—and so we come to the material body.
If one had enough mental fortitude, they could recover all their memories even if their brain was permanently damaged. The fact that you saw spiritual life-forms among the monsters was proof enough of that. But if the spirit is damaged, that likely wounds the astral body deeply, even if the brain is left intact. If that wound reaches the soul, resurrection is no longer possible.

That applied equally to every living thing in this world—from the weakest creatures all the way up to dragons and elemental monsters.
~ LN Volume 5​
Here's how the soul contains the memory of the user

Their memories from the past are burned into their souls, due to a powerful will. There are some, indeed, who retain every memory of their past lives. But a transmigrant from another world… That is quite uncommon. A regular soul, by itself, would have no hope of surviving a journey across realms. It would dissolve midway, taking its memories with it. Someone retaining their full mind and becoming reborn as a monster out of pure magic… I cannot recall any past example of that. Quite…peculiar, indeed.
~ LN Volume 1​
Explanation on Magicule

ÒÇîMagicule—one of the unique substances of this world that, like oxygen, existed in every corner of this world. It was the source of all amazing powers in this world, and to some extent it could control free will…ÒÇì
~ LN Volume 9​
Explanation regarding the relationship of monster and magicule

"You know, Sir Rimuru, you're about the only creature in the world who doesn't have to worry about exhausting their magicules. A monster's magicule count is similar to a human's life force, you could say. Sometimes, giving a name to one of your disciples would sap your magicules to the point that you never recovered. You wouldn't even see a demon lord―class creature tossing out names to everyone, you see? And if we do something like sire children, my lord, that would affect our strength gravely."
~ LN Volume 3​
Higher concentration of magicules will result in spawning monsters

A unique monster is an individual who has suddenly attained unusual abilities, akin to mutation. They are occasionally born in areas with high magical concentrations… Perhaps you were born from the mass of magicules that leaked out from me, then?
~ LN Volume 1​
Here Veldora explaining

Moreover, if you filled it with an abundance of magicule, monsters would be born naturally. By adjusting the magicule concentration, you could also conveniently predetermine the strength of the monsters. Monsters on different floors could be banned from interacting, so setting up difficulty levels seemed to not be a problem either.
And the most important point was—we'd come up with a way of filling the labyrinth with magicule. We would be doing that after we had prepared the contents for the labyrinth.
~ LN Volume 8​
Here explaining the type of world and they are living

"Well," Yuuki said, "it kinda looks like a one-way street. That's because this world is…I guess you could call it semi-physical."
He went into detail on what he knew so far. Essentially, our old planet was a purely physical world—a world free of magicules. The opposite of that is a purely spiritual world—one teeming with spirits, demons, angels, and other mystic life-forms; one full of mysterious and astonishing energy. The two were polar opposites but still retained some deep, important connections.

Which led to this world—a world of chaos. An extremely unique entity—one that shared properties from both the physical and spiritual worlds. Its atmosphere was packed with magicules, allowing fairies, ghouls, and other spiritual life-forms to manifest themselves—something Yuuki figured out via his own experimentation.

Traveling from a physical world to this one meant that our own bodies had to be broken down once, then rebuilt in semi-physical form. That, he explained, was likely why we couldn't go back to a purely physical world again.

"However," he added, "I don't think it's a zero-chance possibility. Japan's full of stories about demons and monsters and things, and you see the same kinds of tales and myths all over the world. So if we're able to get the conditions just right, I'm thinking that maybe we can, you know?"
~ LN Volume 4​
 
Why does Hakurou only have Relativistic speed if he can increase his reactions by thousands of times?
 
Reaction speed and combat speed are literally interchangeable.
 
Yes because that's perception speed, not reaction speed, like it's even labeled on his file.
 
No because perception speed Amps you're sight, not your actual movement speed for your body

However, from you're saying, it is in fact speed related, which makes me heavily question why he doesn't blitz people using MFTL combat speed.
 
No he's not actually moving that fast or else Rimuru with Mind Accelerate 1,000,000x perception and thinking amp vs Hinata with 1,000x perception and thinking amp will be a stomp from Rimuru but they still fought equally in canon and Rimuru even struggling.

They can make a think of a plan while they are using that ability and Hakurou has enough time for that to pull that out. He even defeated and decapitated Kyoya in less than a second while Kyoya is in the middle of his attack
 
MrDrProfessorPatricio said:
No he's not actually moving that fast or else Rimuru with Mind Accelerate 1,000,000x perception and thinking amp vs Hinata with 1,000x perception and thinking amp will be a stomp from Rimuru but they still fought equally in canon and Rimuru even struggling.

They can make a think of a plan while they are using that ability and Hakurou has enough time for that to pull that out. He even defeated and decapitated Kyoya in less than a second while Kyoya is in the middle of his attack
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Dude, make up your mind, I'm getting conflicted messages within the same posts.

Once again, Cole has speed Amps that blitz people faster then Hakurou, so I once again call into question how Hakurou is "blocking everything" through Precog and perception
 
Dude I already said it. It's planning during Hasten Thought and using Heavengaze

Hakurou still has Heavengaze that allows him to have a better version of Magic Sense which I explained above (Enhanced Senses and Extrasensory Perception).
 
His analytical prediction is him predicting Rimuru's attack through sheer experience during their training (Hakurou is not using any stuff like Hasten Thought and Heavengaze when he trains with Rimuru) and that Rimuru can sense movement, smell, sounds, temperature and any magicule related to a high degree.
 
Planning doesn't make you act faster. Now again, how does that let him react to Cole's Amps
 
As I already said Heavengaze and Hasten Thought. A 1,000x perception and thinking process amp is way bigger amp and Hakurou has many opportunities to do so while his perception speeds up.

Here is an unawared Rimuru (an amateur at this point facing pre-named Hakurou who still skilled) who has Hasten Thought showcasing it:

"Wait, you've got the wrong—"
I attempted to state my case, only to be stopped by a premonition behind me. I turned around—the elder wasn't there. Was the other one lecturing me just to divert my attention?! In a panic, I turned, blocking a strike from behind with my right hand. It was a shock, someone evading Magic Sense to get so close undetected. Thankfully, the unique Great Sage skill sped up my thought processes to a thousand times faster than normal. The elder unsheathed his blade in a flash, and I was just barely in time. But something about my arm felt unusual. My skill set kept me from experiencing pain, but—oops—he had lopped the thing right off. This old guy's skills were incredible. Even with Multilayer Barrier and Body Armor in place, it was like he could cut through paper. "Mmh… I must be growing senile. I was sure I had decapitated you there…" Senile, my ass. His physical skills were no match for his companions, but his speed was ridiculous. He was lethal."
~ LN Volume 2​
Hakurou will basically end the fight asap so he doesnt have to face Cole who has combat speed advantage.

Here's the question, can Cole see Hakurou while he's doing the Formhide? Hakurou's in-character move is activating hasten thought then proceed to Formhide then decap Cole. Hakurou can boosts his strength many folds with Arts such as Modelwill, Battlewill and Strengthened body and yeah he can combine those
 
...Yeah, in that case, Haku really can't beat Cole's Danmaku. Planning only does so much.

Voting Cole.
 
The fact that Cole is faster and blitzes people faster then Hakurou with Amps.

I've said this at least 6 times by now
 
6x speed amps is still abit slow in front of 1,000x perception amps and Hakurou can just end the fight in less than a second like he did with Kyoya. He can just Formhide to which I doubt Cole can detect and see him and cut Cole instantly
 
Schnee One said:
The fact that Cole is faster and blitzes people faster then Hakurou with Amps.
I've said this at least 6 times by now
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The fact that he can see 360 degrees and slow his perception speed and boost himself is enough.
 
They aren't 6x speed Amps, don't know where that's coming from.

Cutting Cole is useless, he has Low Mid fast enough to regen a destroyed heart.
 
The fact that he can see 360 degrees and slow his perception speed and boost himself is enough.

Does it make him move faster? If it's perception speed it's useless, but you people keep saying he moves faster because of this.
 
Fast enough to blitz since Hakurou is only Relativistic to Cole's Relativistic+
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
I never said they were, though.

Hakurou goes for the head, not the heart.
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Then why are you saying he reacts to attacks far faster then him....? Perception speed helps your sight, not your movement speed.
 
Thinking faster just doesn't cut it when he can't actually move fast enough to dodge. Especially not against the giant armada of red projectiles Cole will be tossing at him.
 
Wait I didn't know that speed is unequal whoops.

Well this took a weird turn of events. Well first off, Hakurou's speed comes from being superior to Shizu I mean way faster than her since she's only A-rank and not much of a speedster compare to Hakurou in which Rimuru confirms it. Her speed is dodging and reacting FTL attack which ranks him somewhere in Relativistic and it's just Hakurou massively upscaling her
 
Schnee One said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
I never said they were, though.

Hakurou goes for the head, not the heart.
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Then why are you saying he reacts to attacks far faster then him....? Perception speed helps your sight, not your movement speed.
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I said he can boost himself. He can boost his perception speed, and overall stats with Battlewill.
 
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