Teacher VS Student (7-2-1) Ended

[Dark_Soul20189]

Old Man Hikaru

VS

Tensura's biggest Fraud, Benimaru

Rules
Both in their Kijin keys
Speed equalized
SBA
starting distance 100 meters
Fight terrain: a flat grassland.

Votes
hakurou: @Dark_Soul20189, @Shadowslash125, @Astral_Trinity439, @MetaChronos, @AstraphelNoctis4, @Berga14, @noninho,
Benimaru: @Loetkolben16, @Tempestdragon6,
Shion (incon btw): @Mido02

 

[Mido02]

I am voting for shion

 

[AlexSamDen]

So we're playing chess it seems?
Anyways, was the statement about Benimaru surpassing Hakurou for his Oni key?

 

[Mizuki67]

Isn't benimaru a complete spiritual lifeform

 

[Mido02]

Isn't benimaru a complete spiritual lifeform

This is kijin key

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So we're playing chess it seems?
Anyways, was the statement about Benimaru surpassing Hakurou for his Oni key?

Isn't benimaru a complete spiritual lifeform

As mentioned in the Rules, both are in their Kijin key.

 

[Mizuki67]

Why is he a fraud of you are limiting him
Just make bro fight shion idk why you put a useless character like Hakuro

 

[AlexSamDen]

As mentioned in the Rules, both are in their Kijin key.

My question was "when was the surpassing mentioned", since I don't remember
You also didn't answer the chess question

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

My question was "when was the surpassing mentioned", since I don't remember

Somewhere in the oni key, I believe.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

My current thoughts are that Hakurou takes this based on experience, but I would like to see if anyone disagrees.

 

[AlexSamDen]

My current thoughts are that Hakurou takes this based on experience, but I would like to see if anyone disagrees.

I'd say Benimaru's flame spam may be a thing to consider here

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I'd say Benimaru's flame spam may be a thing to consider here

Not really, Hakurou knows Benimaru's skillset, and the starting distance is too close. So Benimaru won't be able to flame spam, since he would be hitting himself, if Haukrou doesn't Ko him before even getting the chance with his battle arts.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Not really, Hakurou knows Benimaru's skillset, and the starting distance is too close. So Benimaru won't be able to flame spam, since he would be hitting himself, if Haukrou doesn't Ko him before even getting the chance with his battle arts.

The problem is that Benimaru also knows Hakurou's skillset and way of fighting, so he will act accordingly.
Plus Benimaru has Natural Attack Resistance, so his flames will hurt himself less than Hakurou (there is also the matter that the barrier for flames doesn't necessarily have to be exactly do me shaped)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The problem is that Benimaru also knows Hakurou's skillset and way of fighting, so he will act accordingly.

While this is true, it doesn't change what will happen.

Plus Benimaru has Natural Attack Resistance, so his flames will hurt himself less than Hakurou (there is also the matter that the barrier for flames doesn't necessarily have to be exactly do me shaped)

Black flames are too hot, so that resistance is useless against them. So the fact remains, Benimaru can't resist his own black flames.

The fact is that Hakurou will activate Heavenly Eye, mind accelerate, Haze, instantmove, and instantly decapitate Benimaru.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Following. Leaning towards Hakurou cuz of ze one shot technique lol.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Same reason as Dark, don't see why Hakuro can't just speeed blitz Beni with all the perception increase skills and arts

 

[AlexSamDen]

I do think it's not that one-sided. I think that if not Black Flames, his Ogre flame or the like can also do the job. Plus he also has Haze and can fly

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I do think it's not that one-sided.

That's on you.

I think that if not Black Flames, his Ogre flame or the like can also do the job

His orge fire can easily be dodged, cut, or parried by Hakurou who's far more skilled than Rimuru, someone that Hakurou managed to damage, but Benimaru was getting stomped by.

Plus he also has Haze and can fly

Funny enough, we have no proof he can use Haze in this key.

 

[MetaChronos]

Benimaru shouldn't be able to match Hakurou when his perception increases. Probably a speed blitz for Hakurou

 

[Loetkolben16]

I'd say Benimaru, based on the fact that Shuna said that he's the strongest of the Kijin.

 

[AlexSamDen]

His orge fire can easily be dodged, cut, or parried by Hakurou who's far more skilled than Rimuru, someone that Hakurou managed to damage, but Benimaru was getting stomped by.

Remind me of an instance where Ogre Flame was parried or cut. And that small range was in Ogre state, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to spam it just like Black Flame in Kijin state

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I'd say Benimaru, based on the fact that Shuna said that he's the strongest of the Kijin.

Here is the thing: the strongest means he has the highest EP and is the strongest physically.

In speed, Hakurou is faster and far more skilled (not to mention his battle arts)

We also saw how both were when faced against Rimuru.

 

[AlexSamDen]

We also saw how both were when faced against Rimuru.

Why do you keep bringing that up?
That's ogre fight

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Voting for Hakurou,

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why do you keep bringing that up?
That's ogre fight

Simple, is the one fight we saw them fighting with each other, so we get a clear comparison, and their Kijin keys have no proof of changing their dynamic in strength.

 

[Loetkolben16]

Here is the thing: the strongest means he has the highest EP and is the strongest physically.

In speed, Hakurou is faster and far more skilled (not to mention his battle arts)

We also saw how both were when faced against Rimuru.

You can't compare them, from back in their ogre state, to now.

Hakurou is still better than Benimaru, but that gap is not that large, simply based on the fact that it isn't much longer until he's better.

And I don't think Hakurou is faster than Beni. He has a perception amp, which he doesn't start with, but that's it.

Beni has large AOE one shots and his black flame would melt Hakurou's sword on impact.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

You can't compare them, from back in their ogre state, to now.

Hakurou is still better than Benimaru, but that gap is not that large, simply based on the fact that it isn't much longer until he's better.

And I don't think Hakurou is faster than Beni. He has a perception amp, which he doesn't start with, but that's it.

Beni has large AOE one shots and his black flame would melt Hakurou's sword on impact.

Actually, I have been working on a speed rework for low tiers, and I will say this, they are pretty damming for Benimaru...

Either way, speed is equalized, so it won't affect this matchup.

 

[Napoleonic01]

Aahahahahahah

I am voting for shion

 

[Loetkolben16]

Actually, I have been working on a speed rework for low tiers, and I will say this, they are pretty damming for Benimaru...

Either way, speed is equalized, so it won't affect this matchup.

Then why did you say that Hakurou is faster?

Anyways Hakurou doesn't start with his third eye. If Benimaru's black flame blade connects with Hakurou's sword, it's gone.

Benimaru can spam one shot aoe attacks that one shot and I don't see what Hakurou would/could do about his flame aura.

So that seems pretty clear to me.

 

[Napoleonic01]

Why is he a fraud of you are limiting him
Just make bro fight shion idk why you put a useless character like Hakuro

Already did that

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Then why did you say that Hakurou is faster?

Simple, to clear up the misunderstanding that physical capability includes speed.

Benimaru can spam one shot aoe attacks that one shot and I don't see what Hakurou would/could do about his flame aura.

Already said this before, but Benimaru can't use any of his AoE attacks due to being far too large and will kill himself in the process.

Anyways Hakurou doesn't start with his third eye. If Benimaru's black flame blade connects with Hakurou's sword, it's gone.

I don't see what your point is?
Hakurou will activate his Heavenly Eye during the fight.
Hakurou will go for an attack that will just instantly decapitate Benimaru without their swords ever clashing.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

beni

 

[Berga14]

Master win.
Benimaru strongest 11c character.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Simple, to clear up the misunderstanding that physical capability includes speed.

Doesn't that contradict your argument that Beni is only the strongest is strength and EP?

Already said this before, but Benimaru can't use any of his AoE attacks due to being far too large and will kill himself in the process.

And you are yet to answer what stops him from using regular flames on a large scale

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Doesn't that contradict your argument that Beni is only the strongest is strength and EP?

How so?

And you are yet to answer what stops him from using regular flames on a large scale

The fact that it goes against what we have seen him do, since he learned "black flames", he has never used his orge magic, we don't even know if he can possibly use it anymore, so it goes against SBA.

 

[Nonynho]

Add me in for Hakurou, FRA

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Then that's grace.

 

[AlexSamDen]

How so?

If you say that Beni is physically strongest and then say that strength also includes speed. That would mean Beni is also the fastest, but that's not the case according to you

The fact that it goes against what we have seen him do, since he learned "black flames", he has never used his orge magic, we don't even know if he can possibly use it anymore, so it goes against SBA.

Why would he lose his affinity for Fire elemental magic? And Black Flame moves he uses is just him using it with some additions, don't see why he wouldn't try to surround himself with flames, knowing how Hakurou fights
Also, I think he does resist Black Flame. After all, Rimuru at the time of Orc Disaster also only had Flame Attack Resistance, but was rather confident in withstanding regular Black flame, so Beni should also be able to

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Grace has now ended, and I will add the match to the profiles.