The Scourge of Hell faces The Blue Blur | Doomguy Vs. Sonic | (0-0-0)

[McFriesGuy075]

Fuuu-

I wont be able to fix that for now but I will later, which one is it?

Actually found out there's more. All parts containing "Essence Manipulation" and "Sentinel Energy Manipulation"

 

[ShionAH]

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Can you give me the scan or the part where its stated Sonic resists layered 6D Cm1? Also Skill Advantage is close to none here

Doom Guys rage and willpower is genuinly crazy, it literally allowed him to push back against a higher dimensional (6D), layered essence hax. If you are wondering what I mean the plot manipulation page and wiki itself accepts that concept type 1, information type 2 and plot manipulation are all equals. So being able to grow resistances to one should also mean you can therotically grow one to others, its like a character like Mahoraga being able to adapt to teleportation since he has adapted to spatial manipulation.

Doom Guy resists emotion and memory stuff but better yet they are conceptual so cyber corruption needs proof it can affect conceptual memories and emotions, thats not all since Doom Guy does all this rage stuff to 6th dimensional shit. Cyber Corruption is only 5.

Since both grow infinitely into speed, I dont think finite amps matter at all. Sonic being faster than Immesurable by 4 times is still Immesurable lol

 

[FaceOff81]

Can you give me the scan or the part where its stated Sonic resists layered 6D Cm1? Also Skill Advantage is close to none here

Doom Guys rage and willpower is genuinly crazy, it literally allowed him to push back against a higher dimensional (6D), layered essence hax. If you are wondering what I mean the plot manipulation page and wiki itself accepts that concept type 1, information type 2 and plot manipulation are all equals. So being able to grow resistances to one should also mean you can therotically grow one to others, its like a character like Mahoraga being able to adapt to teleportation since he has adapted to spatial manipulation.

Doom Guy resists emotion and memory stuff but better yet they are conceptual so cyber corruption needs proof it can affect conceptual memories and emotions, thats not all since Doom Guy does all this rage stuff to 6th dimensional shit. Cyber Corruption is only 5.

Since both grow infinitely into speed, I dont think finite amps matter at all. Sonic being faster than Immesurable by 4 times is still Immesurable lol

A higher tier of immeasurable speed grants Sonic the speed edge against Doomguy. Other than that, Sonic's multi-layered 6D Conceptual Manipulation, Ascualty typing, and being able to outspeed Doomguy pretty much gives him the win. That's not even going into his other powers, resistances, forms, etc.

 

[Omegabronic]

Can you give me the scan or the part where its stated Sonic resists layered 6D Cm1?

The Oneiric Concepts of Sonic the Hedgehog

vsbattles.fandom.com

this is the chain for the levels of fundamentality of Sonic's concept manip.....not layers, fundamentality, meaning it governs reality on a fundamentaly more deeper level than Doom Guy's concept manip, aka, inherently stronger unless he has the Metaphysical Aspects scalling

Also Skill Advantage is close to none here

nope, Doom Guy is nowhere near Sonic in skill from what i can see in the profile, Sonic can adapt to Robots that can make the most powerful Super Computers explode by their sheer combat skill data when tried to analyse, that can also mastered absoulutely all forms of combat, had analysed the entirety of his moves + 9 of his comparable allies, could mix any styles into an literaly infinite ammount of combinations, and Sonic still adapted quick enough to basically skill stomp this dude is 20 seconds. Even advanced AI's that have all of his combat history are completely unable to predict the outcome of his fights, as he simply outperforms their calculations, which can analyse fully and infinite realm of stored, self improving, information, just to mention the more "out there" stuff, Doom Guy is good, sure......he is not Sonic good

Doom Guys rage and willpower is genuinly crazy, it literally allowed him to push back against a higher dimensional (6D), layered essence hax.

And Sonic's allowed him to do the same against Cyber Corruption, which.......is also higher dimensional and layered

Also this doesn't answer my question, "Does he resist the haxes he needs to in order to resist Cyber Corruption?" if the answer is "no" then......cool Willpower, he is still getting affected, that is how this works, if he "pushed back" against he Essence hax? good, he resists Essence hax on that level, good for him, this doesn't help much here

If you are wondering what I mean the plot manipulation page and wiki itself accepts that concept type 1, information type 2 and plot manipulation are all equals.

not exactly, they are not "equals" in the sense that resisting one makes you resist the other, but in the sense that the level of reality they rule is not assumed to be higher than the other without evidence.......which Sonic has btw, so this doesn't apply here

So being able to grow resistances to one should also mean you can therotically grow one to others

Nope, as they are still different haxes, by this logic resisting one should allow you to resist the other, and by that point all of them should be one page........but regardless, this isn't how this works, different haxes = different resistances needed

, its like a character like Mahoraga being able to adapt to teleportation since he has adapted to spatial manipulation.

dunno who that was, and that sounds super specific to the verse.......so i will bring back to my earlier points, unless he has resistance

Doom Guy resists emotion and memory stuff but better yet they are conceptual so cyber corruption needs proof it can affect conceptual memories and emotions

i just said it is fused with/affecting Sonic's Chaos Energy in this state, which is all of that, at once, on a far deeper level

, thats not all since Doom Guy does all this rage stuff to 6th dimensional shit. Cyber Corruption is only 5.

Fused with Sonic's Chaos Energy, which is 6D, so the potency is also 6D

Since both grow infinitely into speed, I dont think finite amps matter at all. Sonic being faster than Immesurable by 4 times is still Immesurable lol

and still means he is 4x times faster than Doom Guy in reactions at all times, also means any of his speed amps still make him a statue worth of speed amp above Doom Guy at all times when he uses it

Also his amps make him do that when he is already at infinite speeds.......so no, Sonic's amps would definitely make him see Doom Guy as frozen, end of story

 

[ShionAH]

Before I give my arguments, can you link me to the wiki page that explains this "levels of fundamentals" because I have never heard of that nor did I ever see anyone saying that is the reason why a characters ability can ignore layers and stuff. Does that even exist as a part of the hax system??

 

[LaserPrecision]

Before I give my arguments, can you link me to the wiki page that explains this "levels of fundamentals" because I have never heard of that nor did I ever see anyone saying that is the reason why a characters ability can ignore layers and stuff. Does that even exist as a part of the hax system??

In fiction, some metaphysical aspects are often more fundamental than others or able to govern other aspects. E.g. Concepts frequently govern the laws of the universe and are more fundamental than them, such that manipulation of the laws can't influence concepts, but manipulating concepts also changes the laws to reflect the changes to reality performed when concepts were manipulated.

There is no default order to metaphysical aspects, meaning that if we have no additional information from the fiction a power comes from, we can not decide whether or not the ability to manipulate one aspect would be able to influence, overcome or be affected by another. For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects work

Hopefully that helps. It's on the "Metaphysical Aspects" page.

 

[ShionAH]

Well f me alright, so Sonic just stomps I guess since he has 6 of those.

@ShakeResounding What is this monstrosity??

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well f me alright, so Sonic just stomps I guess since he has 6 of those.

@ShakeResounding What is this monstrosity??

Cultivation of months of effort

Just a brief explanation tho, it goes over the ontology and hierarchy/fundamental ordinality of various concepts in Sonic. Tis pretty peak.

 

[ShionAH]

Tis pretty peak.

Yall did not need to do all dat for a blue hedgehog thats barely subsonic fr

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yall did not need to do all dat for a blue hedgehog thats barely subsonic fr

Wall level, Peak Human speed, Goatnic. Yum

 

[LaserPrecision]

• Speed is equalized.

Also, cowardice

 

[ShionAH]

Doom Guy wins through sheer rage trust

 

[LaserPrecision]

Doom Guy wins through sheer rage trust

You have my vote. Doomguy blows holes through the rodent with Super Shotgun FRA.

 

[Vietthai96]

Doomguys stomp Sonic with his badassery

 

[Omegabronic]

nah, Sonic soloes via better soundtrack

 

[ShionAH]

nah, Sonic soloes via better soundtrack

Debatable

 

[JJSliderman]

Hard to believe Doomguy was considered the weakest 5-D, and now you have to have layered 6-D conceptual Hax resistance to not be immediately murdered by him.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hard to believe Doomguy was considered the weakest 5-D, and now you have to have layered 6-D conceptual Hax resistance to not be immediately murdered by him.

Text Manipulation, Plot Manipulation, Nonexistent Erasure (Enhanced Nature Type 1; Aspects Types 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 [History, Space-Time, Plot and Text]), Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2), Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1. 6-D, 2 Layers;
Sonic resists pretty much anything Doomguy throws at him plus more.

As for sonic, he scales to Beyond 6-D AP, LS, and 12+ Universes of range, higher than Doomguy's stats. Intelligence diff as well.

Going with sonic here.

 

[ShionAH]

@JJSliderman was not implying that Sonic does not resist, he was stating that Doom Guy has gotten stronger by a lot. Waiter, one reading comprehension please