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Don't know if it counts as empowerment to use a suit, and it's not like the strenght upgrade is supposed to be "biological" instead of a result of the armour similar to Iron Man armours.
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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The Phoenix stuff actually is a separate thing. But "base" Thor has 1-A scaling already. Like he wasn't using some special power source when he fought Mephisto, Hela, the Odinforce, etc. His 1-A Yggdrasil feats were all his own power and strength, but there are some feats using the Phoenix power that would not scale to Thor's normal output (although iirc he only ever used the Phoenix power in his All-Father state, but I could be wrong).
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I'll address that, yeah. Thor has never used his ultimate techniques against Thanos but Thanos usually has an edge against him physically
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Should the scaling to Thor's peak be part of your thread, or would you prefer that I do it as a follow-up thread?
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Which elder god?
Agreed. This is self-evident and uncontroversial, so feel free to do so.
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I'll cover that in my thread in detail
I'm in his 2015 team-up appearances now so it shouldn't be long before I start assembling all the pieces
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Do you disagree with any of the characters I listed downscaling from him?I'll cover that in my thread in detail
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--Eric Masterson is kind of weird, since he's explicitly far weaker than Thor, but I think putting his peak at 1-A should be fine for now since he did have Mjolnir in the story where he and Dargo performed the 1-A feat. If it needs to change I'll address it later.
--True Adamantium Ultron should scale to peak Thor's physicals, agreed there. Thor consistently shatters secondary adamantium Ultrons when he cuts loose so that'll have to be a case by case thing
--Jane Foster might have a case for 1-A, but I'm not confident enough on that yet to put her as a true God Herald yet. That's something else I plan on covering soon.
Other than that, looks really solid. For Sentry, Sentry: Fallen Sun 1 confirms that Void was in control when Thor killed him, so that's worth considering, along with the fact that although Thor stated he was going all-out he didn't use a Godblast or something similar (and also tossed Sentry aside after getting bullrushed in Siege #1). Base Thor was inferior to Death Seed Sentry but was also able to bullrush and injure him with his lightning as well in Uncanny Avengers 12. They definitely scale to each other, with seemingly Golden Sentry having an advantage until Thor is truly bloodlusted. I'd say Standard Thor =< Golden Sentry <= Void < Bloodlusted Thor < Death Seed Sentry
--True Adamantium Ultron should scale to peak Thor's physicals, agreed there. Thor consistently shatters secondary adamantium Ultrons when he cuts loose so that'll have to be a case by case thing
--Jane Foster might have a case for 1-A, but I'm not confident enough on that yet to put her as a true God Herald yet. That's something else I plan on covering soon.
Other than that, looks really solid. For Sentry, Sentry: Fallen Sun 1 confirms that Void was in control when Thor killed him, so that's worth considering, along with the fact that although Thor stated he was going all-out he didn't use a Godblast or something similar (and also tossed Sentry aside after getting bullrushed in Siege #1). Base Thor was inferior to Death Seed Sentry but was also able to bullrush and injure him with his lightning as well in Uncanny Avengers 12. They definitely scale to each other, with seemingly Golden Sentry having an advantage until Thor is truly bloodlusted. I'd say Standard Thor =< Golden Sentry <= Void < Bloodlusted Thor < Death Seed Sentry
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Your chain doesn’t make sense since Death Seed Sentry is explicitly a power up from standard Sentry, and the Void is usually a step-up from Sentry’s ‘normal’ power output because of how Bob’s power set works (the more unhinged he is, then the more power he’s outputting).
Sentry at his peak should basically be above everyone else on the planet.
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Wait, I'm dumb. I put the wrong sign. Those should be <. I'll edit the comment
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High 3-A is faulty as I said earlier. 3-C also has some faulty feats too, so we’ll need to go back to the drawing board there rather than just slapping a tier on everyone.Thoughts?
ObberGobb/Herald Planning Sandbox
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We also need to find better speed feats for heralds, they’re currently at 4 million c (yeah lol)
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Does the wiki already have an accepted infinite speed for the "speed of thought"? It's consistent in what I've read and there are a ton of Thor characters with thoughtspeed feats that might be usable for Herald scaling
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Lol, read my messange on the discord, i sent this topic a bit before u
But aswner this no
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Looks like we've got work to do!
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Ok, I'll add a feat gathering section to the sandbox
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Iron Man Model 72 Name Revision
The Marvel wiki lists Model 72 as being the Mysterium Armor. The model number for the Celestial Hulkbuster, what we currently have listed as Model 72, is unknown In Garry Dugan's blog he refers to Mysterium Armor as Model 72 The usage of Model 72 to refer to the Celestial Hulkbuster appears to...
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An unnamed infant one from the Void before the universe
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Honestly though them being an infant doesn’t change the fact that their an elder god, adult elder god>>>baby elder god>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>at least skyfathers
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The heart of that Elder God was a crucial component of what powered the Godbomb, so it was definitely powerful even as an infant
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^ It gave early credence to Gorr, All-Black, Knull, and such scaling to elder gods. I'm surprised it stayed consistent
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Heck, Knull is outright referred to as an Elder God in Cates' Thor run
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Old King Thor
Old King Thor is an alternate version of the God of Thunder, who lives billions of years into the far future, having become the All-Father and King of Asgard. Together with his past selves, they stopped Gorr the God Butcher and prevented the extinction of all gods through time. He would later...
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I have locked the page again.His stat values are 5-D but his tiers are 1-A? The page is also unlocked which shouldn't be the caseOld King Thor
Old King Thor is an alternate version of the God of Thunder, who lives billions of years into the far future, having become the All-Father and King of Asgard. Together with his past selves, they stopped Gorr the God Butcher and prevented the extinction of all gods through time. He would later...
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What about the stat values??
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The stat values say he's 5-D when his tiers are 1-ADoesn't he scale from other characters? In what ways should his statistics be adjusted?
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him being 5-D is outdated information, based on the edit history when he was switched from low 1-C to 1-A one of the 5-Ds wasn’t removed but all the others were, that 5-D was probably just accidentally not removedMaybe it is outdated information. I would appreciate input and information from other members here.
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Is he just baseline 1-A or do those tiers have a specific value to go off of?
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He’s just baseline 1-A currently
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Okay. Is somebody here willing and able to properly revise the relevant page if I unlock it for you?
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I can do itOkay. Is somebody here willing and able to properly revise the relevant page if I unlock it for you?
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Done, sorry I took so long, I was busy with IRL stuffThank you. I have unlocked it for you.
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I'm into the 2020s now. I'm definitely going to split Allfather Thor into "incomplete Allpower" and "complete Allpower" keys, because there's a huge difference between the two in terms of raw power
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Which would the King Thor from Dan Jurgen's run fall under?
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Complete Allpower. He only gets the full measure of it if Odin is dead
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