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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Was it? I thought that he replicated M-Day on a local level, but may misremember. 🙏
 
High Heralds would be High 1-B via Thor and Hercules' Yggdrasil feats. I think that characters like Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, and Ultron should scale to that. Basically any character who is shown to be explicitly more powerful than Thor, or else have similar feats on that level. Like Sentry and Ultron are both shown to be far more powerful than Thor is, even implied to be above his peak. We are looking at "normal" Heralds, basically everyone who is currently 3-C or Low 1-C. We have a few Tier 2 feats for them, but unless we find more, we are thinking that they might have to be just 3-C or even like 4-B. Could you send some of those Multi-Universal feats you mentioned?
Hulk-Silver surfer absorbed energy of a 2 universes and hyperion hold 2 universes brief period of time
 
The Silver Surfer scan is very out of context from Infinity Crusade. The Surfer almost overloaded himself in order to destroy a moon in that part of the story, so it is an anti-feat if anything.

Also, during Heroes Reborn the Hulk simply channelled the energies of a dimensional nexus between two universes if I remember correctly. 🙏
 
I have an issue with this Galaxy level feat for Silver Surfer. "Being furious, he was able to create a black hole encompassing a large part of the Andromeda galaxy by using his cosmic energy discharges." Knowhere here does it imply that that black hole covers a significant part of the Andromeda, we have no reason to believe this isn't just a normal black hole. Was this feat chosen because people thought the spiral in the top right panel was the Andromeda? I really don't think that's the case, that just looks like an accretion disk.

Also, if we take this statement about Beta Ray Bill and Stardust's battle shaking the firmament of the universe seriously, that should be a High 3-A feat given how insanely consistent it is for the universe to be infinite in Marvel.

There is also this feat, of Silver Surfer making a weapon that could eventually destroy the universe, which would also support Heralds maybe being High 3-A.

Also I do want to revisit that Hyperion feat. Why isn't it accepted again? Is it just an outlier, or is there some bigger reason it isn't useable? It could be good evidence, in conjunction with scaling to Thor and Hercules for Heralds being High 1-B.
 
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So.... Next sorceror supreme officially revealed.
Just give it back to Clea, FFS.

But yeah, as a now-fan of Scarlet Witch, she's one of the better options IMO, not sure why people want some noob low-level magician to be handed the Sorcerer Supreme title.

I mean, Clea was already on that level when she got the title, and say what you will about Doctor Doom but he was constantly shown and stated to be near the level of a Sorcerer Supreme in magic talent.
 
Also I do want to revisit that Hyperion feat. Why isn't it accepted again? Is it just an outlier, or is there some bigger reason it isn't useable? It could be good evidence, in conjunction with scaling to Thor and Hercules for Heralds being High 1-B.
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It’s a greater difficulty, given the blatant interpretation of Hickman’s that the Beyonders were effecting that level of destruction by literally throwing two macrocosms at each other like billiard balls, while Hyperion was able to hold them apart for a bit (before they shattered on their own weight) by just standing straddled between the two colliding Earths and screaming really hard. It’s more of an anti-feat for 1-A than anything.
 
Yes, and Hickman also seemed to treat Earth-616 and the other universes as just regular Low 2-C universes within that storyline, due to severe inconsistencies between writers. It requires stacking the cosmology between many writers to treat it as 1-A. 🙏
 
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Oh boy, Ms. Relaunch is getting the Sorcerer Supreme title. Nobody could've seen this coming after her main writer was announced to be writing the book.
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Also like yeah no shit the Vishanti aren't gonna accept the woman who had messed up the entire multiverse and thought that keeping Chthon locked away inside her body was a good idea.
 
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Well, selecting Agatha Harkness instead doesn't seem like a good idea either. 🙏
 
This Ctr passed:
For those who weren't there, this means this:

Collective Man: His punches are this strong - 19.84 Tons of TNT

 

Kinda relate to cómics becuase the last part
 
I just saw a page from the latest Doomed 2099 volume:

They made the Penance Stare based on regrets AGAIN for the second time only this year (after GR VS Galactus), is Marvel actively on a quest to nerf it into the most pointless ability ever? Also Doom does have a million regrets and it's been part of his character development over the years but I guess his stoic aura farming is evolving from meme to actual plot device
 
I just saw a page from the latest Doomed 2099 volume:

They made the Penance Stare based on regrets AGAIN for the second time only this year (after GR VS Galactus), is Marvel actively on a quest to nerf it into the most pointless ability ever? Also Doom does have a million regrets and it's been part of his character development over the years but I guess his stoic aura farming is evolving from meme to actual plot device
Doom is genuinely one of the worst characters in comics now
 
Yes, and Hickman also seemed to treat Earth-616 and the other universes as just regular Low 2-C universes within that storyline, due to severe inconsistencies between writers. It requires stacking the cosmology between many writers to treat it as 1-A. 🙏
That makes sense.
I think we should focus more in that kind of reasonings to evaluate Cosmic level feats, otherwise it gets messy as it has been.
 
 
 
Gibbon's Overhaul Ctr
 
Shouldn't the Iron Man Armor Model 70 be Tier 5/whatever river the mid Tiers would scale in the future? It could fight/harm/defeat Ultimo, Galactus' ships and some Phoenix users. That plus being able to break through an alloy made of Vibranium and Adamtium, I think it should be way higher than Tier 7
 
Shouldn't the Iron Man Armor Model 70 be Tier 5/whatever river the mid Tiers would scale in the future? It could fight/harm/defeat Ultimo, Galactus' ships and some Phoenix users. That plus being able to break through an alloy made of Vibranium and Adamtium, I think it should be way higher than Tier 7
Frankly, almost every single Iron Man armor should be 5-B (or whatever new tier). Reading through early Avengers Iron Man is ALWAYS considered to be a heavy hitter, generally second only to Thor. He's fought Wonder Man and Namor on even footing, Hawkeye said he's the second strongest Avenger, was considered by Kang to be more powerful than Vision, and the narration frequently implies he is one of the strongest beings on Earth.
 
Frankly, almost every single Iron Man armor should be 5-B (or whatever new tier). Reading through early Avengers Iron Man is ALWAYS considered to be a heavy hitter, generally second only to Thor. He's fought Wonder Man and Namor on even footing, Hawkeye said he's the second strongest Avenger, was considered by Kang to be more powerful than Vision, and the narration frequently implies he is one of the strongest beings on Earth.
Idk, currently he's definitely not considered a second only to Thor. He's around base Carol and Jennifer when using an above average armor, such as this one, Model Prime, Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Model 42, etc.
 
Idk, currently he's definitely not considered a second only to Thor. He's around base Carol and Jennifer when using an above average armor, such as this one, Model Prime, Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Model 42, etc.'
I'm only talking about Silver/Bronze Age Avengers here, before those characters joined the team. In this time he's shown to be at the same level as Vision, Namor, Wonder Man, etc. In Extremis he's pretty explicitly far above Namor.
 
These scans could be useful to someone in the future [Source: Thor (Vol. 1) #400]
Thor and Hercules are so evenly matched in raw strength, even when they exert the totality of their incalculable godly power, that a fight between them could last centuries then go either way on any occasion.
 
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