The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Oliver_de_jesus]

These scans could be useful to someone in the future [Source: Thor (Vol. 1) #400]

Thor and Hercules are so evenly matched in raw strength, even when they exert the totality of their incalculable godly power, that a fight between them could last centuries then go either way on any occasion.

101% surely i put that in herc Profile a year ago

Hercules (Marvel Comics)

Born to a mortal women, Hercules is the son of Zeus, and spent centuries traveling the world, defeating monsters and helping the other heroes of Greece, such as Theseus and Jason. And in modern times, Hercules's role isn't much different, helping the heroes of today to battle villains as one of...

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Yup, i did it, is just link is broken, can someone fix and put the new it in Herc profile? Currently in job and in phone

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

First one is self-explanatory. Zero scans, few justifications for most things, very high tier (which is gained through an unsourced feat of scaling to a character who doesn't even have a durability rating), then after going through pages that link to him, the character isn't crucial for the scaling of any other character. For the second one, I briefly explained my reasoning before, then after going through pages that link to her, she isn't necessary for the scaling of any character either.

 

[MrKerf]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

 

[Eseseso]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

First one is self-explanatory. Zero scans, few justifications for most things, very high tier (which is gained through an unsourced feat of scaling to a character who doesn't even have a durability rating), then after going through pages that link to him, the character isn't crucial for the scaling of any other character. For the second one, I briefly explained my reasoning before, then after going through pages that link to her, she isn't necessary for the scaling of any character either.

Makes sense to me

 

[Hayato5652]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

First one is self-explanatory. Zero scans, few justifications for most things, very high tier (which is gained through an unsourced feat of scaling to a character who doesn't even have a durability rating), then after going through pages that link to him, the character isn't crucial for the scaling of any other character. For the second one, I briefly explained my reasoning before, then after going through pages that link to her, she isn't necessary for the scaling of any character either.

Tier 1-A has spread among Marvel characters like a virus, If I see even Aunt May having Tier 1-A, I won’t be surprised

 

[Da3ggman]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

First one is self-explanatory. Zero scans, few justifications for most things, very high tier (which is gained through an unsourced feat of scaling to a character who doesn't even have a durability rating), then after going through pages that link to him, the character isn't crucial for the scaling of any other character. For the second one, I briefly explained my reasoning before, then after going through pages that link to her, she isn't necessary for the scaling of any character either.

I can just handle it here and save you the trouble of asking, if everyone’s down for it

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I can just handle it here and save you the trouble of asking, if everyone’s down for it

I didn't know Image Helpers could delete profiles, but I greatly appreciate it.

 

[Excellence616]

Is everyone fine with me requesting for these two profiles to be deleted?

First one is self-explanatory. Zero scans, few justifications for most things, very high tier (which is gained through an unsourced feat of scaling to a character who doesn't even have a durability rating), then after going through pages that link to him, the character isn't crucial for the scaling of any other character. For the second one, I briefly explained my reasoning before, then after going through pages that link to her, she isn't necessary for the scaling of any character either.

Hakai

 

[Da3ggman]

I didn't know Image Helpers could delete profiles, but I greatly appreciate it.

They can’t normally, but I got perms so they goin bye bye

 

[Excellence616]

Electro's Energy Manipulation upper limit

This might be pretty simple? Introduction In the 3 part, "Light The Night," story arc of the 1990 Spider-Man run, Electro absorbs the entirety of the New York city power grid, sucking down every single kilowatt, from every borough, every street, and every building. Using it to fire off a...

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[ObberGobb]

Tier 1-A has spread among Marvel characters like a virus, If I see even Aunt May having Tier 1-A, I won’t be surprised

Skyfather Tier characters will be dropping to High 1-B soon (although frankly I have an issue with the infinite dimensional scaling too...)

 

[Hayato5652]

Skyfather Tier characters will be dropping to High 1-B soon (although frankly I have an issue with the infinite dimensional scaling too...)

Does it include Hulk and Thor?

And does it even include Venom, who meets the BDE Type 3 criteria?

 

[Entity]

Does it include Hulk and Thor?

And does it even include Venom, who meets the BDE Type 3 criteria?

Hulk, Thor and Venom scale above the Skyfather tier

 

[ObberGobb]

Hulk, Thor and Venom scale above the Skyfather tier

I can't answer for Hulk, but Thor is definitely just Skyfather Tier.

 

[Hayato5652]

I can't answer for Hulk, but Thor is definitely just Skyfather Tier.

Alright, thanks. It’s just that since Hulk’s powers have some connections to the One Below, I feel like there wouldn’t really be a contradiction for his tier to be considered 1-A.
Overall, you know better than me and you can tell what’s right and what’s wrong.

 

[Entity]

I can't answer for Hulk, but Thor is definitely just Skyfather Tier.

Isn't Thor Elder God tier?

 

[Sparkive]

Gibbon's Overhaul Ctr

Gibbon's profile overhaul (Marvel comics)

Hello! Welcome to my latest work, where we review the famous, popular, and incredible... Gibbon... What? Don't you know who he is? Don't worry, no one else does. Well... Current profile - New profile (Before CTR) - New Profile+ (Based on the CTR) We have a lot of changes, so let's take it slow...

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So... someone?

 

[Antvasima]

Tier 1-A has spread among Marvel characters like a virus, If I see even Aunt May having Tier 1-A, I won’t be surprised

Agreed.

 

[Hayato5652]

Agreed.

I hope this issue gets addressed soon...
The existence of 4 Iron Man armors that are classified as Tier 1-A is very contradictory to this tier, doesn’t fit it at all, and is completely in conflict with qualitative nature

 

[Antvasima]

Also strongly agreed. Help with this would be highly appreciated.

 

[ObberGobb]

Where would this leave characters like Dormammu, Nightmare, and Scarlet Witch? In all of their 1-A justifications they are scaled to Eternity, so if Eternity would stay 1-A then hypothetically they would too. But I don't think they are qualitatively above Skyfather Tier. On the contrary, they should all be roughly around the level of Skyfather Tier characters imo. So would Abstract M-Bodies be downgraded too?

 

[Pluto321]

I hope this issue gets addressed soon...
The existence of 4 Iron Man armors that are classified as Tier 1-A is very contradictory to this tier, doesn’t fit it at all, and is completely in conflict with qualitative nature

One question, With those armours he has fought 1A beings and injured them also, does that means you planning to downgrade his opponents also like the celestial, others etc.

 

[Eseseso]

Where would this leave characters like Dormammu, Nightmare, and Scarlet Witch? In all of their 1-A justifications they are scaled to Eternity, so if Eternity would stay 1-A then hypothetically they would too. But I don't think they are qualitatively above Skyfather Tier. On the contrary, they should all be roughly around the level of Skyfather Tier characters imo. So would Abstract M-Bodies be downgraded too?

Dormammu outside of the DD could definitely be downgraded to just High 1-B

 

[Muteki616]

Iron Man armors need a major revision period.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Iron Man armors need a major revision period.

I agree.
He's definitely not as low or high as the profiles say. The Extremis, Bleeding Edge, Model 42 and comparable armours make sense to scale to the Mid-Tiers, but Model Prime should be revised, it's suppose to be above every other normal armor.

The Model 70 is also too low,, by both scaling and feats it should be at least at the same level as the previously mentioned armors.

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

One question, With those armours he has fought 1A beings and injured them also, does that means you planning to downgrade his opponents also like the celestial, others etc.

When I originally made the upgrade thread, said characters Tony fought were High 1-B. Whether they'll be High 1-B once the Skyfathers and Celestials get downgraded idk, but I do agree with the 1-A issue fs.

 

[Hayato5652]

One question, With those armours he has fought 1A beings and injured them also, does that means you planning to downgrade his opponents also like the celestial, others etc.

For a character to be Tier 1-A, the criteria must be applied very strictly... The character has to qualify as BDE Type 3 and must not interact with lower-dimensional beings, because in terms of existence not "size" it is "qualitatively" superior to lower-dimensional entities. In other words, it perceives all spatial dimensions and the entire set of "quantities" as fictional. If you read the explanations for Tier 1-A and BDE Type 3, you’ll understand what I mean. If you still didn't understand what I meant…

And no, I’m not someone who decides anything about Marvel, and I’m not an expert on qualitative concepts, I just shared the things I know so you can understand the situation and see the big contradictions some characters have in relation to Tier 1-A.

 

[Muteki616]

do agree with the 1-A issue fs.

Agreed, but it'll be hard to sort.

 

[Muteki616]

petition to give Otto radiation resistance?
That's kinda how he got his powers in the first place.

 

[Pluto321]

For a character to be Tier 1-A, the criteria must be applied very strictly... The character has to qualify as BDE Type 3 and must not interact with lower-dimensional beings, because in terms of existence not "size" it is "qualitatively" superior to lower-dimensional entities. In other words, it perceives all spatial dimensions and the entire set of "quantities" as fictional. If you read the explanations for Tier 1-A and BDE Type 3, you’ll understand what I mean. If you still didn't understand what I meant…

And no, I’m not someone who decides anything about Marvel, and I’m not an expert on qualitative concepts, I just shared the things I know so you can understand the situation and see the big contradictions some characters have in relation to Tier 1-A.

i know that but some armours are made from body of celestial and they are 1A, if something is made out of body of 1A Being it will be 1A. You would have downgrade both iron man and celestial to remove 1A tier.

 

[Excellence616]

1. The M-Bodies of Abstracts are 1-A since iirc have r>f.
2. Dormammu, Nightmare, and Scarlet Witch have consistently proven to be 1-A. One a nexus being, the other also having r>f and been compared to Eternity. As Eseseso stated about Dormammu outside of DD.
3. Iron man armors can be downgraded. Not sure about Model 38 since it was specifically designed to combat the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force itself is also 1-A.
4. The Celestials (their Universal self) should also be downgraded but they do have BDE type 1 and their justification fit 1-A criteria

 

[Pluto321]

1. The M-Bodies of Abstracts are 1-A since iirc have r>f.
2. Dormammu, Nightmare, and Scarlet Witch have consistently proven to be 1-A. One a nexus being, the other also having r>f and been compared to Eternity. As Eseseso stated about Dormammu outside of DD.
3. Iron man armors can be downgraded. Not sure about Model 38 since it was specifically designed to combat the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force itself is also 1-A.
4. The Celestials (their Universal self) should also be downgraded but they do have BDE type 1 and their justification fit 1-A criteria

ok fare enough, i am new comics i am interested in iron man because mcu, which issue would you recommend me.

 

[Hayato5652]

i know that but some armours are made from body of celestial and they are 1A, if something is made out of body of 1A Being it will be 1A. You would have downgrade both iron man and celestial to remove 1A tier.

Marvel-verse knowledgeable members should be the ones doing the major revisions, like ObberGobb, not me.

 

[Pluto321]

Marvel-verse knowledgeable members should be the ones doing the major revisions, like ObberGobb, not me.

same here

 

[GeneralSol16]

Vision (Marvel Comics)

The Vision is the name of a number of fictional characters, all superheroes, that appear in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The Vision is an android and a member of the Avengers. Vision is an artificial intelligence, a "synthezoid" created by the villain Ultron and an Avenger who...

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What's wrong with Vision's profile lol

 

[Excellence616]

Vision (Marvel Comics)

The Vision is the name of a number of fictional characters, all superheroes, that appear in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The Vision is an android and a member of the Avengers. Vision is an artificial intelligence, a "synthezoid" created by the villain Ultron and an Avenger who...

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What's wrong with Vision's profile lol

There was a thread made to upgrade him. It was initially accepted but was rejected abi closed for some reason

 

[Muteki616]

Vision (Marvel Comics)

The Vision is the name of a number of fictional characters, all superheroes, that appear in comic books published by Marvel Comics. The Vision is an android and a member of the Avengers. Vision is an artificial intelligence, a "synthezoid" created by the villain Ultron and an Avenger who...

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What's wrong with Vision's profile lol

How did his profile get this bad?
His tier should've never been "unknown"
He very much has a KNOWN tier.

 

[GeneralSol16]

How did his profile get this bad?
His tier should've never been "unknown"
He very much has a KNOWN tier.

Yeah, Vision is around Wonder Man and Stark's current armors.

 

[ObberGobb]

Yeah, Vision is around Wonder Man and Stark's current armors.

I'm reading Bronze Age Avengers and Vision is pretty explicitly on the 5-B tier at least, I don't know why whoever made the profile just put "unknown." Interestingly though, it varies where he ranks next to Iron Man. Hawkeye called Iron Man the second strongest Avenger (after Thor), and Kang considered Iron Man to be stronger than Vision. On the other hand, Iron Man man couldn't hurt Vision with his repulsors, and Hank Pym worried that even Thor and Iron Man couldn't stop Vision if he went rogue.

 

[Eseseso]

Maybe we can find KT's old Vision CRT, since it seems to have been closed without any real reason