• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Ok I hate to say this while a big Low Heralds revision just started, but I've been reading and re-reading tons of comics recently, and looking through all sorts of respect threads and vs battles on other sites... and I'm starting to really strongly think that there is no such thing as Low/Mid/High Herald. Narratively I don't think I've read anything that implies massive splits between those levels. The only narrative implication is that gods like Thor and Hercules are well above everyone else. Like Colossus is shown to be relative to Gladiator in Claremont's X-Men, Iron Man has fought Heralds of Galactus many times (including in his supposedly Tier 8 classic armors), Ronan can fight evenly against Heralds like Silver Surfer, the Annihilators seem narratively implied to be relative to each other, and many more. I don't want to do anything with this yet, I want to do more reading and info gathering, but in my opinion we should have "Herald Tier" and "God Tier" as two separate things. That would mean very few scale to Low 1-C or any other godly feats, especially not Thor and Hercules' 1-A feats, and that I think all Low and Mid Heralds should just scale to each other. Unless someone has scans that show a very clear narrative split between the two levels, but I don't think there is one.
I agree.
I wanna know where the "low herald" stuff even came from.
 
Is it just me, or do all the people complaining about Storm beating Hadad ignore that she's only doing so because she's being amped by Eternity? She only expels Eternity from her body after she's done beating Hadad to a pulp and her rage at Eternity puppeteering her body lets her expel him from her soul.
 
Last edited:
Is it just me, or do all the people complaining about Storm beating Hadad ignore that she's only doing so because she's being amped by Eternity? She only expels Eternity from her body after she's done beating Hadad to a pulp and her rage at Eternity puppeteering her body lets her expel him from her soul.
You expect comic fans to read the COMICS?!
 
You expect comic fans to read the COMICS?!
She spent 7 of the run's 12 issues as Eternity's host, with WoG confirming she had his entire powerset and not just a fraction since host >>> avatar.

I literally just read the entire run tonight and even I could put together that Storm beat Hadad due to the Eternity amp, not her own power.
 
She spent 7 of the run's 12 issues as Eternity's host, with WoG confirming she had his entire powerset and not just a fraction since host >>> avatar.

I literally just read the entire run tonight and even I could put together that Storm beat Hadad due to the Eternity amp, not her own power.
So that would just be a new key for her, right? It doesn't sound like this affects normal Storm at all.
 
I thought that Storm is Eternity's host, with an additional Abraxas boost, as the new status quo, but I suppose that we will have to wait and see.

I used to get extremely annoyed back when Thanos was continuously treated like a Gary Suggs. This is not as bad, given that Storm is not hardcore evil, just extremely arrogant and quite annoying, but I tend to dislike this writing tendency in general. 🙏
 
I thought that Storm is Eternity's host, with an additional Abraxas boost, as the new status quo, but I suppose that we will have to wait and see.
1. She expelled Eternity from her soul and body when he forced her to kill Hadad
2. I honestly don't like the change to Abraxas, I preferred the mass murdering villain the F4 fought.
I used to get extremely annoyed back when Thanos was continuously treated like a Gary Suggs. This is not as bad, given that Storm is not hardcore evil, just extremely arrogant and quite annoying, but I tend to dislike this writing tendency in general. 🙏
I wouldn't say extremely arrogant, but yeah the writing these days is just giving all the heroes abstract boosts/interactions
 
I haven't been keeping up with Spider-Man comics, but wait... wtf is going on here?
p6Pq8Hk.png
 
I haven't been keeping up with Spider-Man comics, but wait... wtf is going on here?
Peter has been abducted by aliens and in his absence Norman Osborn, who's """recently""" become a good guy, has made it his purpose to replace him as Spider-Man. Although moved by good intentions, Norman does the job with too much violence (similarly, but not to the same extent, to what Kraven and Octopus had done before him) and other Spider-People are trying to make him change his mind.
 
Peter has been abducted by aliens and in his absence Norman Osborn, who's """recently""" become a good guy, has made it his purpose to replace him as Spider-Man. Although moved by good intentions, Norman does the job with too much violence (similarly, but not to the same extent, to what Kraven and Octopus had done before him) and other Spider-People are trying to make him change his mind.
By the way, what do you think of the current Spiderman run?
 
By the way, what do you think of the current Spiderman run?
I know I'm not the one you were asking, but I find it kinda funny that Marvel's idea to make 616-Peter interesting again was "what if we turned the book into Guardians of the Galaxy for a bit?". Though TBF, Spidey in Space is an idea that always had potential.
 
By the way, what do you think of the current Spiderman run?
It started out strong, I was getting really invested in the initial plot, also thanks to the artists' incredibly dynamic, fluent and charming drawings.
Then, it fell in the same spiral as the previous volume, alternating between random situations and progressing each of them through hiccups between one other's development, instead of setting up for either a single straight storyline or a more nuisanced, yet coherent set of different situations eventually tying together.
As of now, it's only about waiting for the next suddent turn while hoping for the loose ends of the unfinished storylines to tie up before a year.
Also, please banish Romita Jr. to the Negative Zone, he may be a sort of historical artist at this point, but his drawings remain so dislikeable to me, they all look like colored storyboards, I can't stand them.
 
I've been reading a lot of Silver and Bronze Age comics recently (Thor, Avengers, Doctor Strange, Invaders, etc.) and they just have such a good vibe to them man. They are so earnest about everything, so jam packed with creative ideas without regard for a cohesive theme that ultimates creates a really unique setting. I'm trying to read them with the mindset of being a kid in the 60s and 70s reading them for the first time and it's so fun.
 
So, I saw this post on Reddit recently, and while me and few others discussed it briefly, what do y’all think? (TLDR: TOAA shows which people arrived to him prior, on of which were Thanos and Adam from the Infinity Finale) Starlin’s works are canon at last? Ant is MIA from all the stress? Storm comics keep not making sense?
 
Starlin works always came and went from canon. There were always editorial statements from Tom Breevoort about them not being canon, but this didn't stop clear canon comics from referencing them.

Because they deal with high-level concepts, contradictions can be more glaring, but I would say they are just the usual for comics in general.

As usual, some of the editorial explanations are "maybe something similar to it happened in the canon, except for the contradictory stuff", but this almost never gets actually applied in the comics and only appears in Q&As and stuff like that (I mean, we had a Breevoort Q&A just a few months ago addressing the Starlin comics as non canon and look where we are now).
 
I nearly immediately noticed that already while reading the (ugh) Storm comicbook, yes, but, if we ignore that the Storm writer is evidently writing his stories based on out of control Suggsian fanboyism and based on wiki pages rather than genuine familiarity with the stories, for a more in-story explanation, given the nature of The One Above All as being a representative manifestation for all of the writers combined, something being out of continuity should logically not prevent him from experiencing it.

The nature of Starlin's (a far greater ugh) "Above All Others" as a very limited and metaphysically simplistic existence with no author-related nature, Mentor suddenly being murdered by Ultron rather than Thanos, Starfox suddenly being an incompetent sociopath, and various other serious narrative and cosmological contradictions, still give much greater weight to Brevoort's statements that Starlin's (may he stay far away from writing any more Marvel or DC Comics stories forever please) more recent stories are out of continuity. 🙏
 
Last edited:
I want to pitch my dumb brilliant idea for more cosmic tomfoolery:

Have someone discover the Ultimate Enabler and use it to defeat Oblivion, the logic being that if the latter is the embodiment of nothingness, a powerful weapon of creation would somehow bring it to existence, thus rendering it incapacitated due to reality being the literal opposite of its fundamental nature.
 
Oblivion was already destroyed recently. 🙏
 
I hope not. Getting rid of him was the only positive part of the Storm comicbook. 🙏
 
Tbf, there's a like... 90% chance he comes back in one of the next issues. He is one of the "Ur divisors" or something after all.
 
Back
Top