The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Antvasima]

Is the series as bad as the "God is Dead" comic series? Because that was...something.

Yes. "God is Dead" may have been one of the most sick, morbid, destructive, and overall reprehensible stories ever written. It did not exactly convince me that any of the contributing writers have any redeeming personal qualities whatsoever.

I don't remember reading the third Howard the Duck series though, but from the above descriptions it also does not seem like something remotely enjoyable.

 

[Progrev228]

Guys, i have a question. Can i make cosmology revision when Ultima returns to the wiki?
Btw i see cosmology as:
Universe: i being serious scale inside universe is harder than scale multiverse. Because that are these planes/layers? Are they like spatial dimensions or what? And sometimes statements about many planes/layers found in same run there astral plane mentioned, does that mean that there infinity planes/layers above astral plane? Of all realms in universe, i think above astral plane can be only superflow and dimension of manifistations. And sometimes these statements about the infinity of layers are found in the Thor comics, and god realms is located in dreamtime (collective unconscious) which is exist on same level as astral plane. I really what to see High 1-A universal abstracts (and there good arguments about it), but again it hard to scale and illogical.
Multiverse: multiverse have infinite layers/levels there one universe see lower universe as dream/fiction/illusion/shadow/simulation/hologram, there also foundational realms which affects whole multiverse, well currently know one such realm, ideaverse, but Therea and maybe dark/lightforce dimension also can be these realms. Gutter space also shoud be scale there or higher. And highest realm in multiverse is Brahma from which multiverse emanate.
Macroverse and worlds within worlds: Macroverse is higher multiverse and have same structure with dreams hierarchy as main one. The difference between first step of macroverse and multiverse more than any difference in multiverse. So world within wolrds is infinite macroverse-microverse relationship and every multiverse is have infinite dreams hierarchy which is trancended by lesser step in another infinite dreams hierarchy. So basically infinite hierarchies? Is this infinity meta or how it called? And yes infinite levels of multiverse and worlds within world are different things. Maybe even than Steve Gerber wrote about it it was meaned to be different things, but at least since DeMatteis Silver Surfer and X-man runs we can say that they are different.
Outside: most important realm outside is HOI, since TOAA can draw sefirots which have R>F difference so his position cannot be achieved through hierarchy.

 

[SamanPatou]

Is the series as bad as the "God is Dead" comic series? Because that was...something.

I'm not familiar with God is Dead, but in HtD god appears only in the last issue and it's basically meant to convey a convoluted cosmological explanation with the purpose of giving a nihilistic/comedic message.

That issue's honestly is the least offender, at most I would say it's not that inspired and keeps the trend of "random shit happening" that plagued the comic.

To be more clear on my stance, I'm not against profanity, blasphemy, gore, black humor and such, but when it's done, it has to be done with a purpose or in a creative/entertaining/well-thought way.
In this comic, all of these subjects were thrown-in in a way that was either explicitly meant to trigger shallow shock or scandal in the reader, or it tried to be progressive/mature just to fail miserably.
Either way, the problem wasn't the content itself, at least on a conceptual sense, but it's delivery and implementation.

 

[Abscoolguy]

I'm just curious, but how will the new Godzilla comic be handled? I think the writer said it was the same godzilla as that old one and Strange references it happened before. Are the feats gonna be added to this Godzilla?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

This stuff is getting kinda ridiculous ngl.

 

[Progrev228]

This stuff is getting kinda ridiculous ngl.

It's not to late to join OPlivion true top 1 in verse agenda

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Avengers missing moment
Reed screw up creating the 8th cosmos so now they have to fix it

 

[Antvasima]

So, "The Mortal Thor" was released today. It seems like Al Ewing has decided to make it a three-part rather than two-part arc, which means that we might have 49 remaining regular issues ahead of us.

I rather like the start of the second arc, even though I definitely do not like that Ewing so far lets Loki get away with various extremely evil acts, including using Thor as a blood sacrifice to empower their magic in issue 24 of "Immortal Thor" and extensively torturing Donald Blake, but let's wait and see, including regarding if "Lucci/Lucky" is the previous construct of Utgard-Loki or Loki using the guise for themself.

 

[Antvasima]

I also like that if Thor is going to be the only prominent superhero representing Scandinavia, he should be a social-democrat or even a democratic socialist (like me), which seems to be Al Ewing's approach in this story.

 

[ObberGobb]

I also like that if Thor is going to be the only prominent superhero representing Scandinavia, he should be a social-democrat or even a democratic socialist (like me), which seems to be Al Ewing's approach in this story.

Original Ultimate Universe sucked, but one thing I really liked was that they made Thor a Norwegian environmentalist.

Thor being chill, kind, and extremely moral is so much more interesting than him being a typical bloodthirsty warrior.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I like Mortal Thor so far. He's acting like himself and he's making good moral choices while also being willing to beat the living crap out of the bad guys. I dig it.

 

[Antvasima]

Original Ultimate Universe sucked, but one thing I really liked was that they made Thor a Norwegian environmentalist.

Thor being chill, kind, and extremely moral is so much more interesting than him being a typical bloodthirsty warrior.

Yes, especially if he is going to represent modern day Scandinavia. I despised that Donny Cates completely twisted Thor's character into some kind of far right U.S. ultramilitant amoral power fantasy.

 

[Antvasima]

I like Mortal Thor so far. He's acting like himself and he's making good moral choices while also being willing to beat the living crap out of the bad guys. I dig it.

Agreed. I was probably being paranoid in my suspicions about a collaborative agenda to completely belittle and degrade Thor, just because he happens to have a similar role to Storm, and that the Marvel Comics writers want to favour her at his expense, earlier.

That said, a lot of writers really have deliberately completely mishandled Thor's character and power level, just to take potshot at him, likely due to projecting social problems that have nothing to do with Thor onto him, especially in recent years.

 

[AcidSilver]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

 

[MrKerf]

This stuff is getting kinda ridiculous ngl.

On the not so bright side: I feel like the downgrade is imminent. They'll kill TOAA either in Storm or in Hulk. I can feeeeeel it.

 

[ObberGobb]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

Tbh I kinda hate Doom now. Biggest Gary Stu in Marvel by far.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Agreed. I was probably being paranoid in my suspicions about a collaborative agenda to completely belittle and degrade Thor, just because he happens to have a similar role to Storm, and that the Marvel Comics writers want to favour her at his expense, earlier.

That said, a lot of writers really have deliberately completely mishandled Thor's character and power level, just to take potshot at him, likely due to projecting social problems that have nothing to do with Thor onto him, especially in recent years.

Definitely agree there. Maybe this series will be what Thor needs to become the main powerhouse of Marvel again (I'm coping but he's my favorite so I don't care)

 

[Eseseso]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

1. Source?

2. Excellent Question, it's like this thing only works on redshirts.

3. This goes against how it's shown that Doom has some regrets, he just represses the everloving hell out of them.

 

[Eseseso]

Tbh I kinda hate Doom now. Biggest Gary Stu in Marvel by far.

Not really, his imperfections and complexes always bite him in the end. Look at the 2015 Secret Wars, dude lost godhood because he was forced to admit that he was inferior to Reed in intellect.

 

[Entity]

in Storm

I'll kill someone if that happens

in Hulk

if it is the Mother of Horrors it should be fine, right? I mean, she should be an equal to TOAA as she generated herself like him and is not one of his creations

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here: if this is meant to be Cosmic Ghost Rider, then this scene is complete BS since Donny Cates' Cosmic Ghost Rider comic established that Frank's got his own version of the Penance Stare which doesn't need his target to feel regret in order to work. It's literally just called Penance, and the writer who wrote this comic should've done some basic research before writing this.

 

[Executor_N0]

It's literally just called Penance, and the writer who wrote this comic should've done some basic research before writing this.

Honestly, considering it's also just how the original one was before being retconned repeatedly, it's not like there's anything going to stop them from also retconning that one if they want. Sadly, just the nature of comics this time (Why even try to keep consistency and write a story around how things were first established if they can just change it to whatever they want )

 

[AcidSilver]

1. Source?

2. Excellent Question, it's like this thing only works on redshirts.

3. This goes against how it's shown that Doom has some regrets, he just represses the everloving hell out of them.

I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here: if this is meant to be Cosmic Ghost Rider, then this scene is complete BS since Donny Cates' Cosmic Ghost Rider comic established that Frank's got his own version of the Penance Stare which doesn't need his target to feel regret in order to work. It's literally just called Penance, and the writer who wrote this comic should've done some basic research before writing this.

It's from Doomed 2099 that just came out and yes it is indeed supposed to be Cosmic Ghost Rider.

 

[Eseseso]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

I always wanted to see what would happen if Doom was hit with the Penance Stare, but not like this.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, the penance stare not working on completely evil people without any trace of conscience makes it entirely pointless, since it then per definition can only punish the redeemable not the irredeemable. The legion of amoral writers introduces yet another completely morally ****** up concept. Congratulations.

 

[Da3ggman]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

Being a Ghost Rider fan is ******* aids bro

Like, wasn't there a dude who literally can't feel any emotion or pain and the penance stare still worked on him?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Also, the penance stare not working on completely evil people without any trace of conscience makes it entirely pointless, since it then per definition can only punish the redeemable not the irredeemable. The legion of amoral writers introduces yet another completely morally ****** up concept. Congratulations.

Yeah, like, it just completely slaps in the face of what the point of Ghost Rider is meant to symbolize. Ghost Rider, since his very inception, has always been meant to be a character that represents divine vengeance, a spirit of fury that hunts down the Earth's scumbags and vermin and drags their miserable souls straight to Hell for their sins.

The fact that Ghost Rider's Penance Stare hasn't worked on a multitude of characters, including ones that have done objectively horrifying things like Doctor Doom, over the years for a multitude of stupid reasons just makes me hate how Ghost Rider is treated.

 

[AcidSilver]

Yeah, like, it just completely slaps in the face of what the point of Ghost Rider is meant to symbolize. Ghost Rider, since his very inception, has always been meant to be a character that represents divine vengeance, a spirit of fury that hunts down the Earth's scumbags and vermin and drags their miserable souls straight to Hell for their sins.

The fact that Ghost Rider's Penance Stare hasn't worked on a multitude of characters, including ones that have done objectively horrifying things like Doctor Doom, over the years for a multitude of stupid reasons just makes me hate how Ghost Rider is treated.

The requirement of needing regrets means that the stare just doesn't work on the exact kind of person it's supposed to work on. This WoG even specifically says that the stare is specifically for people who don't have regrets about the horrible things they've done.

I don't know if Marvel is just silently retconning how the Penance Stare works now or if we're just witnessing the longest misconception ride ever where every writer just thinks that the stare requires regret because writers before them thought so too and on and on until you get to the first time a writer believed that it required regret.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

We'd have achieved world peace by now if comic book writers actually researched the characters they work on

 

[Entity]

We'd have achieved world peace by now if comic book writers actually researched the characters they work on

or the cure for every disease

 

[Executor_N0]

I don't know if Marvel is just silently retconning how the Penance Stare works now or if we're just witnessing the longest misconception ride ever where every writer just thinks that the stare requires regret because writers before them thought so too and on and on until you get to the first time a writer believed that it required regret.

It completely feels like common twitter misconception that became the status quo for general views (Ultimately, it feels like the average writer is no different from the average twitter user).

I can't wait for the misconception of today (Galactus being a multiversal singularity) starts to become so popular it'll be used as true in the comics.

 

[Osemere]

I'm so tired man. Why even have this ability at this point?

This is also wrong since Doom does have regrets, he just doesn’t readily admit them.

 

[Antvasima]

So, Jean Grey/Phoenix is about to fight the entire main cosmic entity hierarchy together with some other Phoenix Force hosts.

Between Jean Grey, Storm, Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, Wiccan, Legion, Escapade (who can apparently transform into the Never Queen whenever she wishes), and possibly Hulk and Loki, I think that the non-cosmic entity protagonist characters have become extremely broken, but on the other hand the alternative would be to have overwhelmingly powerful, completely conscience-deprived, and casually genocidal cosmic entities, demon lords, eldritch horrors, and now computer gods/Dominions, lord it over all the completely helpless mortals, in a Cthulhu Mythos or Warhammer 40K manner, so I suppose that this is the lesser narrative evil.

 

[MrKerf]

So, Jean Grey/Phoenix is about to fight the entire main cosmic entity hierarchy together with some other Phoenix Force hosts.

Alright, but it just confirms that she’s fighting manifestations only, and that she herself is extremely limited, right?

I swear, with time it makes less and less sense. The hierarchy doesn’t seem to matter after the Eight Cosmos was made.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Alright, but it just confirms that she’s fighting manifestations only, and that she herself is extremely limited, right?

I swear, with time it makes less and less sense. The hierarchy doesn’t seem to matter after the Eight Cosmos was made.

Speaking of the Eigth Cosmos, has anybody read the new Avengers issue? Apparently, it talks a bit about that.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Avengers missing moment
Reed screw up creating the 8th cosmos so now they have to fix it

Speaking of the Eigth Cosmos, has anybody read the new Avengers issue? Apparently, it talks a bit about that.

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, but it just confirms that she’s fighting manifestations only, and that she herself is extremely limited, right?

Likely not, given how the Storm comicbook is handling this and that Jean beat the Enigma previously.

 

[MrKerf]

Likely not, given how the Storm comicbook is handling this and that Jean beat the Enigma previously.

Yeah, but they are about to fight on Earth, not in the cosmos or anything. I would imagine the consequences of Oblivion, for example, appearing in the regular universe would be catastrophic, and not him just chilling with the rest of his brethren on the street. Also, they look very much unlike their current abstractions. We even saw them looking differently in this very comic, earlier on. And yet they state that together they can beat her.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the morally awful Jonathan Hickman established awful new designs for the cosmic entities in his characteristically awful and also cancelled G.O.D.S. series.

 

[MrKerf]

Well, the morally awful Jonathan Hickman established awful new designs for the cosmic entities in his characteristically awful and also cancelled G.O.D.S. series.

XD I like how you always make sure to state your opinion on Hickman’s work.

Although I at least agree that the designs are off.