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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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My comment was only a joke, I find it funny how the people at the Marvel Database list as a mention every time a character shouts "God!" as a generic form of speech.
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Also, if anyone wants to take a look, I published the profile of Modok Superior, the clone and successor of the original one.
I must say I've had much more fun reading through his history rather than the original's, considering how the writers have had fun in exploring his character in a more humane and varied way, as well as putting him in different situations, even though quite a number of his appearances have him play the role of generic villain of the week with a generic science-related plan. In this variety I include the several switches from comedy to seriousness, as from time to time they managed to convincingly portray him both as a goofball and a terrifying menace.
They also touched much more on his psychology, always within the limits of a secondary, comic book character. I feel kinda malinconic for him, of all characters, as he is one of the several villains who tried to change the course of their lives and become good, or at least not completely evil or voted to evil. Unfortunately, the tyranny of editorial reasons always bring him back to his evil roots. It still works when well-written, but it's kinda sad (for a fictional character, still) to be doomed to revert to evil after trying a different path.
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I must say I've had much more fun reading through his history rather than the original's, considering how the writers have had fun in exploring his character in a more humane and varied way, as well as putting him in different situations, even though quite a number of his appearances have him play the role of generic villain of the week with a generic science-related plan. In this variety I include the several switches from comedy to seriousness, as from time to time they managed to convincingly portray him both as a goofball and a terrifying menace.
They also touched much more on his psychology, always within the limits of a secondary, comic book character. I feel kinda malinconic for him, of all characters, as he is one of the several villains who tried to change the course of their lives and become good, or at least not completely evil or voted to evil. Unfortunately, the tyranny of editorial reasons always bring him back to his evil roots. It still works when well-written, but it's kinda sad (for a fictional character, still) to be doomed to revert to evil after trying a different path.
M.O.D.O.K. Superior
M.O.D.O.K. Superior is the result of a failsafe program carried out by the original M.O.D.O.K. to ensure the continuation of his legacy in the eventuality of his downfall against the coalition of the Hulks. He is one of many cloned brains, but unlike the others he has been allowed to retain his...
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Why not just make a note that he's a satirical character? Or just not mention in the profile that he is an alcoholic and a psychopath?
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While I didn't mind the series, it was admittedly over hyped and ended up adding very little of value to the cosmology or narrative.It was badly written, ill-considered, and boring, and wantonly and haphazardly messed up Al Ewing's meticulous, well-considered, elaborate, and highly constructive work with Marvel comics cosmology for no good reasons.
We don't get to even see The Natural Order of Things or The Powers That Be.
All it did was explain magic a bit more, which has been done already in other stories.
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Excellent work with the page!Also, if anyone wants to take a look, I published the profile of Modok Superior, the clone and successor of the original one.
I must say I've had much more fun reading through his history rather than the original's, considering how the writers have had fun in exploring his character in a more humane and varied way, as well as putting him in different situations, even though quite a number of his appearances have him play the role of generic villain of the week with a generic science-related plan. In this variety I include the several switches from comedy to seriousness, as from time to time they managed to convincingly portray him both as a goofball and a terrifying menace.
They also touched much more on his psychology, always within the limits of a secondary, comic book character. I feel kinda malinconic for him, of all characters, as he is one of the several villains who tried to change the course of their lives and become good, or at least not completely evil or voted to evil. Unfortunately, the tyranny of editorial reasons always bring him back to his evil roots. It still works when well-written, but it's kinda sad (for a fictional character, still) to be doomed to revert to evil after trying a different path.
M.O.D.O.K. Superior
M.O.D.O.K. Superior is the result of a failsafe program carried out by the original M.O.D.O.K. to ensure the continuation of his legacy in the eventuality of his downfall against the coalition of the Hulks. He is one of many cloned brains, but unlike the others he has been allowed to retain his...
I'll say that my favorite MODOK moment where he's fully willing to hire Gwenpool as a sidekick...as soon as she gives her personal information since he can only pay her through direct deposit, not cash.
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Seems like a weak base for 5-BAlso, if anyone wants to take a look, I published the profile of Modok Superior, the clone and successor of the original one.
I must say I've had much more fun reading through his history rather than the original's, considering how the writers have had fun in exploring his character in a more humane and varied way, as well as putting him in different situations, even though quite a number of his appearances have him play the role of generic villain of the week with a generic science-related plan. In this variety I include the several switches from comedy to seriousness, as from time to time they managed to convincingly portray him both as a goofball and a terrifying menace.
They also touched much more on his psychology, always within the limits of a secondary, comic book character. I feel kinda malinconic for him, of all characters, as he is one of the several villains who tried to change the course of their lives and become good, or at least not completely evil or voted to evil. Unfortunately, the tyranny of editorial reasons always bring him back to his evil roots. It still works when well-written, but it's kinda sad (for a fictional character, still) to be doomed to revert to evil after trying a different path.
M.O.D.O.K. Superior
M.O.D.O.K. Superior is the result of a failsafe program carried out by the original M.O.D.O.K. to ensure the continuation of his legacy in the eventuality of his downfall against the coalition of the Hulks. He is one of many cloned brains, but unlike the others he has been allowed to retain his...
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He scales to his predecessor, after all he's a perfect clone.
I just added a few more feats for consistency. No story so far has had him fight with 5-B characters, unlike the original Modok, who was a frequent enemy of such type of heroes.
During my read I never encountered anything that could disprove his brain blasts being that strong, as in actual feats of characters tanking them, instead of simply not being killed instantly.
I just added a few more feats for consistency. No story so far has had him fight with 5-B characters, unlike the original Modok, who was a frequent enemy of such type of heroes.
During my read I never encountered anything that could disprove his brain blasts being that strong, as in actual feats of characters tanking them, instead of simply not being killed instantly.
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The original Gwenpool run was brilliant in so many aspects, Modok's comedy was especially on point. I love when he ponders to use the dark web and then he asks himself how to access it. Or again, the scene where he manages the accounts of his society wearing glasses and says that they conceal the fact he's basically talking to himself by making it look like he is recording notes.
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Also, I started reading the new Ultimate Spider-Man run, it's quite interesting I must say, especially the attention given to Peter's everyday life, an aspect that I believe has been either left out or mismanaged in the main volume over the last years.
And, btw, Peter rocks the beard.
And, btw, Peter rocks the beard.
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8 Deaths of Spider-Man is ending, so can he get a Covenant of Cyttorak Champion key or not ?
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A good deal of effort was put into fixing M.O.D.O.K's profile, what would be some good matches for him ?Also, if anyone wants to take a look, I published the profile of Modok Superior, the clone and successor of the original one.
I must say I've had much more fun reading through his history rather than the original's, considering how the writers have had fun in exploring his character in a more humane and varied way, as well as putting him in different situations, even though quite a number of his appearances have him play the role of generic villain of the week with a generic science-related plan. In this variety I include the several switches from comedy to seriousness, as from time to time they managed to convincingly portray him both as a goofball and a terrifying menace.
They also touched much more on his psychology, always within the limits of a secondary, comic book character. I feel kinda malinconic for him, of all characters, as he is one of the several villains who tried to change the course of their lives and become good, or at least not completely evil or voted to evil. Unfortunately, the tyranny of editorial reasons always bring him back to his evil roots. It still works when well-written, but it's kinda sad (for a fictional character, still) to be doomed to revert to evil after trying a different path.
M.O.D.O.K. Superior
M.O.D.O.K. Superior is the result of a failsafe program carried out by the original M.O.D.O.K. to ensure the continuation of his legacy in the eventuality of his downfall against the coalition of the Hulks. He is one of many cloned brains, but unlike the others he has been allowed to retain his...
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Petition to put Al Ewing in charge of all overarching Marvel cosmology
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Ditto. He was likely in charge for awhile, but the editorial department should long-term honour the sheer enormous brilliance he displayed in tying together and fleshing out the entire Marvel Comics cosmology. Any half-assed retcons that people like Hickman, or less talented than Hickman, will enforce on it, are almost guaranteed to make the structure much worse rather than better.
Not even Mark Gruenwald, and certainly not Jim Starlin, remotely came close to reaching Ewing's standards in this regard.
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Well, I DID like what he did with the Eternals, even though Marvel themselves seems like they'd rather forget them again post-movie release...
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Wasn't it Kieron Gillen who handled the Eternals? I did not like his storytelling or the quality of the art at all. But then I find Kieron Gillen's writing thoroughly morbid and amoral in general.
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Maybe. It's been awhile since I read it.Wasn't it Kieron Gillen who handled the Eternals? I did not like his storytelling or the quality of the art at all. But then I find Kieron Gillen's writing thoroughly morbid and amoral in general.
Edit: okay, it WAS Gillen who wrote that one. I may have gotten him confused with Benjamin Percy, who wrote that one X-Force book where they commited crimes against humanity.
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So far he hasn't hit the minimum 15 appearances necessary to warrant a key.
Modok is interesting to apply in a vs context, because he's the kind of character whom the writers like to gift with every sort of power to make him look cool, but must forgot the next issue to avoid making him too difficult to handle.
Unrestrained by the shackles of narrative and PIS, Modok has the potential to be really powerful, considering his entire arsenal of psychic powers and weapons.
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Tbh Marvel and DC has a lot of these. Thor is relegated to a flying brick with lightning most of the time, but he's got so much versatility he could make a Green Lantern blush.
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For real, just look at Doctor Strange and his vast arsenal of magic spells and equipment.
Really? Not sure what he has besides elemental attacks.
True, but since Spider-Man himself has so many appearances I'd be personally ok with it. Only issue is that I'm not sure what tier he'd be other than probably being vastly above his base.
Basically like Doctor Doom and Doctor Strange.
Doctor Strange back in the 60's was literally displaying Low-Godly regen from being entirely erased from existence like it was nothing.
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Tbh I was exaggerating (unless we count Thor Force and other keys).
But Thor does have a varied arsenal, especially with Mjolnir. By himself, alongside his control over storms, electricity, etc, as the son of Gaia he has great control over the Earth itself, can traverse dimensions due to his divinity, has senses that rival Superman, etc.
But when you add Mjolnir you get all sorts of energy absorption, sealing, power nulls, matter manip, BFRs, etc. It even used to have some additional stuff like Time Travel until it was canonically lost.
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He scales to the scions of Cyttorak to a degree but not only is this their first appearance so who knows what they are actually capable of, they don't really seem to be that comparable to each other (easily physically beats one and even draws blood from another in base, while another easily shrugs off his magic attacks)
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That should almost be the opposite, since characters with a million appearances like him are extremely likely to have alternate forms or power-ups lasting only a handful of issues, to the point that 15 appearances is even extremely short. For how cool he is, I'm not comfortable with breaking our rules in this way.
Side topic, I started my reading journey of Rhino's publication history and some weird things pop up right from the beginning. Aside from him being a gamma mutated (
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Honestly a lot of series have quite a few characters like that, Bowser for example is a reality warping super wizard who can imprison an entire landmass within a picture book while bending space and gravity before turning the entire population of said landmass into inanimate objects. and then 9 times outta 10 Nintendo make him a fire ball merchant, he'll just jump around and breath fire.
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So... does anyone know what's happening with the thread to revise minimum appearances requirements for Marvel/DC?
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It's been ongoing for a year and a half, and little conclusive progress has been made creating new standards.
Marvel & DC rules on minimum appearance count
(Made this in Staff Discussion because it seems like it'd be really important.) Buried within this page is probably the most important rule that the vsbw has regarding Marvel and DC characters: "For the Prime Marvel Universe, please refrain from making profiles for characters with less than 20...
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Question here. Is Limbo magic equal to dark dimension magic, demonic magic or is it's own thing?
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Limbo magic and Dark Dimension magic aren't really related.
Limbo magic is a type of demonic/dark magic.
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More questions.
In magic weakness it says magic cannot conjure scientific objects, does that apply to teleporting already existing scientific objects?
Is Darkforce and Lightforce magic?
In magic weakness it says magic cannot conjure scientific objects, does that apply to teleporting already existing scientific objects?
Is Darkforce and Lightforce magic?
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NPI was downgraded. The one on Hulk's profile is accurate.
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so Odin and Thor's NPI has to be downgraded?
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yeah, that is if they scale to interacting with souls
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Yes.
Probaly yes, as i remember from Blood hunt mages can use darkforce
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Not sure about teleporting, it just can't make them
Not sure will check.
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I know that Nico Minoru basically teleported a scientific object to her with a spell so...
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I have been searching about it and I'm not sure.
I know Darkforce is deeply connected to a demon which uses Lightforce as fuel for his magic abilities, and Marvel wiki kinda implies it might be magical
By any means it's stated to be an extradimensional power.
Lightforce is supposed to be it's opposite and what makes me question even more is the that Lightforce is actually effective against demons which have magical nature.
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