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Well if it helps, the darkforce and lightforce are among the things I'll research soon, likely within the next 1-2 months.
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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Why? They have very little importance other than cloak and dagger.
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In my current run across all of Rhino's appearance history, I stumbled upon a brief storyline (Secret Defenders 12 to 14) in which he is caught up in a weird space heist set up by Thanos, who chose him alongside other random characters for their so-called individual skills. Of course they are totally mismatched and unable to cooperate, but still they somehow make it through the end.
The funniest part is at the beginning, though, when Thanos displays the array of characters he is pondering to summon to form his team. The candidates are: Ttitanium Man, Super Skrull, Rhino, Nitro (these four will form the final team), Deathbird, Venom, Juggernaut, Ultron and DARKSEID, yes, the one from DC comics.
Absolutely nonsensical, yet epic, roster of choices.
The funniest part is at the beginning, though, when Thanos displays the array of characters he is pondering to summon to form his team. The candidates are: Ttitanium Man, Super Skrull, Rhino, Nitro (these four will form the final team), Deathbird, Venom, Juggernaut, Ultron and DARKSEID, yes, the one from DC comics.
Absolutely nonsensical, yet epic, roster of choices.
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Saman's recommended reading of the day: Spider-Man's Tangled Web 5 and 6, which tell the Flowers for Rhino arc.
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Are you gonna start recommending readinds everyday now?
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All-Father Thor scales to mythos
imo the entire speed scaling system for heralds is bunk rn.
Thor crossing from the other nine realms which is at least Infinite in range is MFTL+ on his profile.
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All of his keys have immeasurable speed and if All-Father Thor has immeasurable speed wouldn't all of those who scale to him have it too?
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Yeah
I already made a thread which is already accepted.
High Heralds are Infinite
Mid Heralds are MFTL+ (Planck)
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If All-Father Thor has immeasurable speed, shouldn't also Odin have that and then Hulk too? Then someone should put some better explanation to Thor's immeasurable speed except from "via inner-life force", his profile is a bit messy
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Well, Marvel Comics stories are cheating to ridiculous extremes when it comes to speed disparities. The Hulk is probably not really anywhere near as swift as Thor, but Thor is nerfed to extremes in this area when fighting Hulk.
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No, but I'm enjoying the windows of free time I'm currently having and feel like sharing with the people the most interesting things I find.
Also, the more I read about Rhino, the more I start to envision the possibility that him and Sandman (due to scaling) could be higher in tier 8 or even tier 7 without breaking Spider-Man and other rogue's scaling.
I'm at two tier 7 feats for Rhino and he is constantly portrayed as stronger and sturdier than Spider-Man, who never defeats him through the brute force of his own body, unless he strikes him in the face, which is consistently portrayed and stated to be a weak spot due to not being covered by his hide.
Sandman is in a similar spot, being stronger and sturdier than Spider-Man, who generally defeats him with trickery, rather than force.
Those who have overpowered them are generally Hulk-level characters and such, so already in another level of power.
Of course it's still quite early to talk, but in my opinion, it would be so strange.
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Maybe you can make this group more active.
I remember a CRT to upgrade Rhino to hulk level it did not go well...
Anyways there is not much tier 7 in Marvel so if spider people are out is there anyone who scales?
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Rhino was one of the many Hulk villains at first, but aside from occasional knock backs and instances of hurting him, he never really overpowered nor defeated him.
As time went on then, he started losing more frequently and blatantly more against him and other characters in Hulk's orbit such as Doc Samson, She-Hulk and Abomination, as well as other powerhouses like Namor. There are also clear instances of Rhino being far below him, such as an issue in which Abomination states he would stand no chance against Hulk in a direct confrontation, or another time where one of his charges didn't even move a serious Hulk, DBZ-style, so to speak.
I would also argue that Hulk's scaling should be handled carefully, not only because of his varying strength, but also due to the long list of people who battled him, to such a extent that you may end up doing a 5-B bargain sale.
I'm at the beginning of the 2000s, in terms of publication history, and the only Spider-Man character who knocked him out through pure force was Kaine, and it was still by dropping a huge piece of a building on his head.
As time went on then, he started losing more frequently and blatantly more against him and other characters in Hulk's orbit such as Doc Samson, She-Hulk and Abomination, as well as other powerhouses like Namor. There are also clear instances of Rhino being far below him, such as an issue in which Abomination states he would stand no chance against Hulk in a direct confrontation, or another time where one of his charges didn't even move a serious Hulk, DBZ-style, so to speak.
I would also argue that Hulk's scaling should be handled carefully, not only because of his varying strength, but also due to the long list of people who battled him, to such a extent that you may end up doing a 5-B bargain sale.
I'm at the beginning of the 2000s, in terms of publication history, and the only Spider-Man character who knocked him out through pure force was Kaine, and it was still by dropping a huge piece of a building on his head.
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Considering that 5-B in the entirety of Marvel comics is totally and completely based on Grey Hulk's one feat the bargain you speak of is already happening
that's not good Kaine is supposed to be really close with Spider-People
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I will check later
Or Hulk is surprisingly fast for his size as stated multiple times and his speed grows along side his other powers. No proof of Hulk getting slower the angrier he gets or Hulk being statued.Well, Marvel Comics stories are cheating to ridiculous extremes when it comes to speed disparities. The Hulk is probably not really anywhere near as swift as Thor, but Thor is nerfed to extremes in this area when fighting Hulk.
We can't ignore his classic days whereby he fights the US military and he causally moves faster than fighter jets, missiles and even bullets. Even one solider made a comment on how Hulk jumping was so fast as if he saw his fighter jet was at still.
The level Hulk operates with All father Thor, is a level he needs to grow to which would also bump is speed and other stats.
So his Strength, Speed, Durability would grow to match whomever he is fighting. I yet to see some characters blitz Hulk when he is operating at 3-C, Low 1-C or 1-A. Only when he is at 5-B level and we all know when he is fighting weaker characters on Street Level, he has to hold back to an great extent against them.
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except when he isn't as stated in their last fightbut Thor is nerfed to extremes in this area when fighting Hulk.
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That is why I asked sometime ago if there were any backup to it, and apparently someone (I should look back in this thread) is rounding up some more feats.
Also about Hulk, while I lack a thorough knowledge of his character, I know he has been smacked and pushed around by A LOT of people, who either didn't pass the test of time or haven't really proved themselves stronger.
Also, I don't know if Gray Hulk is meant to be explicitly weaker than any manifestation of the Green one, but if it isn't the case, then there could very well be instances of a green hulk just not being angry/motivated enough to surpass his grey counterpart.
I may argue for him having used a heavy object and not his own strength, for a couple times the Rhino has been defeated by heavy stuff being slammed onto him, but never by direct punches and kicks from Spider People. So far, his hide is strangely consistent in making him incredibly tough, with his face being the only vulnerable spot. Sandman as well varies in strength and durability because of his capability to harden and soften his body.
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You could still make the case he downscales from him
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Gray Hulk grows stronger at a slower rate than the Green Hulk, but they reach the same tiers of strength
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The problem is that, in turn, I don't believe Spider-Man should be 8-B, 8-A or even less 7-C.
There may be arguments, perhaps, for his rage boosts, but general scaling and portrayals honestly contradict such notion.
So far Sandman and Rhino (I have completed my reading history only of the former and a couple years ago) have never been truly overpowered by him, or at least not by his fists.
There may be arguments, perhaps, for his rage boosts, but general scaling and portrayals honestly contradict such notion.
So far Sandman and Rhino (I have completed my reading history only of the former and a couple years ago) have never been truly overpowered by him, or at least not by his fists.
I see, then it is plausible for the Green Hulk to not be planet level or whatever at any given time.
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Hulk can basically have any tier, from Gorilla level to Galactus level
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That's what I meant and also why I believe using Hulk as the base for the scaling of multiple characters can be tricky.
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I know there are some statements that support tier 5 for some characters but not so much for feats, though I think Blaastaar had a moon level calc that should help.
On this wiki I think someone said to me that we assume Base Hulk is always stronger than Grey Hulk.
I guess that kinda makes his LS kinda doubtful then if he can't take a building when he should be stronger than Spidey.
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A lot of people are scaling to those who scale to hulk so a huge scaling chain with exponencial growth
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We should look more into it.
This building was slammed onto him like a hammer, so it wasn't much about him failing to hold on to it.
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He is already high but i will reread immortal hulk again
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It seems like the Fractured Son is likely a new persona
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High is never high enough
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Madman Saman here, I've just found a statement from Spider-Man himself which places base Rhino's strength above that of Sandman, Kraven, Lizard, Goblin and other classic rogues. My wicked plans for tier 7 Rhino proceed smoothly.
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we gotta change how it is on the profiles alot of them are stuck at MFTL+
I honestly don't see why not.
All-Fathers with Immeasurable speed seems pretty consistent. Khonshu and Seth have it on their profiles.
i kinda disagree and agree with this take.
they're in the same ballpark but Hulk isn't without his speed feats.
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Odin and Zeus probably should at least.
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i agree with you 100%Odin and Zeus probably should at least.
speed scaling is pretty off
it should've been way higher than Infinite for sky-fathers considering Dormammu and a sufficiently fed Galan fall under that level of power.
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Thor Immeasurable speed feat is via life essence tho but 1-As being Infinite speed is funny
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Who are the primordial gods in Marvel?
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i think 1-As should automatically get immeasurable
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