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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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What do you think of "Sorceror Supreme of Asgard" With Strange going around to learn asgard magic as it's different from normal magic, this might be case for an addition to the magic page
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Kree (Marvel Comics)
Kree is an alien species originally from planet Hala, but conquered worlds all over their own galaxy becoming a giant empire. At some point they built the super computer Supreme Intelligence, which ended up becoming a ruler that they workship as a god. Kree give a great value to technology...
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Btw I found out that there is actually a Kree page for MCU so I think there should be a template for that but I don't really know how to do it
Edit: I did the template on my own, hope it's as it should be
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I don't trust it because they are all meta-narrative properties which originate from Gwenpool's comics alone, rather than being actual rules in-verse. The point of her character is to break the rules, escape the story and generally move within her own bubble.
With that I'm not saying that it's not canon, but rather that she makes a specific exception for herself alone due to the peculiar nature of her story and character.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/who-is-the-real-god-of-thunder-o-0-0-0.177620/
I feel like this thread is a very good example of Spider-Man pointing fingers at each other meme.
I feel like this thread is a very good example of Spider-Man pointing fingers at each other meme.
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I don't know if any calc member reads this thread, but I'm leaving this Marvel calc here just in case.
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MODOK survives an explosion
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So um, about halfway done with all of Franklin's appearances, and um... Here is what I've found out so far, and all of this is nuts in it's own way:
- In Heroes Reborn: The Return, The Celestials were outright threatening to destroy 616, Asheema states they would've if Franklin didn't choose one world over the other, and Narration even confirms they would've done so. Plus, the entire point of The arc is that Franklin powerwise is their equal (Powerwise, btw, it's clear he isn't as experience, nor would he really be able to fight them) So Franklin as of Heroes Reborn definitively upscales to Earth-616 and thusly Universal Eternity, which obviously affects The Celestials. Genuinely surprised no one has noticed that before now because of how important this comic was.
- Doctor Strange meeting Eternity as his 'last hope' against The Celestials also speaks volumes. One, The Celestials were literally threatening to destroy Universal Eternity, so he couldn't have gone to Universal Eternity, meaning Doctor Strange believed True Eternity was his last hope is bonkers, effectively meaning he believed no one under True Eternity could save them from The Celestials... I don't need to explain how crazy that is
- Onslaught states that with Franklin's powers the entirety of Creation is his to command.
- Narration stated in the Onslaught Saga that Franklin can reshape the very limits and laws of space-time
- in Fantastic Four 1998, Gatecrasher outright states that Franklin was pumping out levels that have never been acheived by any finite being before. This effectively means any human throughout the Multiverse/Omniverse, as they literally study the entire Omniverse, so this is the most direct goat quote of all time up until this point. Basically puts him above any power-up any mortal got up until that issue at a minimum, and the entire point of this arc was that Franklin was on the level of the Celestials, so this again would affect the Celestials, which is absurd to say the least.
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Do I see a High Outer Hulk here?
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Based solely on what I've read so far, he's at least 1-A at a bare minimum, but I can argue and likely will argue High 1-A, as everything from Heroes Reborn: The Return onwards implies he is amongst the most powerful in Marvel's history up until that point, but he's a glass canon, and Heroes Reborn: The Return proves that as he died from falling off a cliff, so he's still very human and if caught off guard he can be killed like a human.
If we give Dark Phoenix High 1-A though (which can definitely be argued), then Franklin is just straight up High 1-A as of Heroes Reborn: The Return onwards and would be consistently so.
So it would be like "10-C Normally. High 1-A with Powers"
@Entity I’m uncertain. Context implies Franklin and Nate Grey orchestrated Onslaught’s defeat, so that plus the fight Onslaught immediately and completely overpowered Hulk once he decided to take him seriously makes me really doubt he scales to Onslaught
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Maybe, but Hulk at his absolute peakDo I see a High Outer Hulk here?
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Agreed. People have to remember that a Hulk without Banner holding him back would be at his highest possible rage levels, so that version would be stronger than any variant we’ve seen after because all of them still had Banner holding Hulk back
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You know because I'm bored, and assuming no one else tries to go for it, I was thinking reading all of Cosmic Ghost Rider's appearances and compiling any interesting scans I find soon in the future.
It's not something I've done before, but I've been looking at his profile and I just got a gut feeling he's got way more going on for him in terms of anything really.
It's not something I've done before, but I've been looking at his profile and I just got a gut feeling he's got way more going on for him in terms of anything really.
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Okay, so a possible issue:
- The Handbooks and Franklin’s storyline on Marvel.com directly reference the events of Daydreamers for Franklin as if it’s part of his storyline
- The same thing is for Man-Thing (this is way more of an issue though) . Look up the Cult of Scrier and Man-Thing from Marvel.com. Both directly reference the events of Silver Surfer’s DeMatteis stories, Peter Parker Annual 1999 and DeMatteis storylines as if it’s part of the canon continuity.
- Hulk versus Man-Thing issue also directly references the events of the unreleased Strange Tales issues 3 & 4 DeMatteis didn’t publish to end his Man-Thing storyline (Keep in mind the Author of that comic wasn’t DeMatteis, he wasn’t even involved in the creation of that comic, yet he chose to actively acknowledge it as canon)
- DeMatteis also stated that his comics were intended to be canon during the time of their creation, which means he didn’t intend for them to be officially a different continuity.
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The decision to split cosmologies has nothing to do with continuity between works. Maybe there's some misunderstanding that the split means "there are various Marvel Universes" or "They aren't in continuity". The split is only to make a manageable cosmology under each storyline, like assuming there were various retcons between the storylines that change the shape of the cosmology, but we pick the moment of the cosmology in a certain moment and give it a name, then we look for all the material of the cosmology when it had that shape
It's not an exact science; there's a lot of nuance in doing it as it's basically trying to find consistency where there is none, but it was ultimately a decision made because it was thought to make it easier to work with certain characters and ages within Marvel.
Basically, the cosmology split doesn't mean stories aren't connected, or that an event of place can't appear in stories "from different cosmologies", just mean that to make consistency out of outliers, it's better to analyze certain cosmologies within certain sagas than others.
It's not an exact science; there's a lot of nuance in doing it as it's basically trying to find consistency where there is none, but it was ultimately a decision made because it was thought to make it easier to work with certain characters and ages within Marvel.
Basically, the cosmology split doesn't mean stories aren't connected, or that an event of place can't appear in stories "from different cosmologies", just mean that to make consistency out of outliers, it's better to analyze certain cosmologies within certain sagas than others.
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Question, would you count as preparation, or rather worthy of being mentioned in a character's tiering via preparation, something that can be achieved only in very specific instances?
For example Modok Superior, for whom I'm making a profile has a couple of high-end feats he achieved by taking advantage of stuff occurring around the world at a specific moment. The most notable instance is when he became a cosmic entity holding the power of Bifrost and Yggdrasil and being strong enough to warp history, defeat Odinforce Thor and threaten the Ten Realms. This is solid 1-A bullshit but occurs only in a single issue and Modok was able of doing it simply because the Bifrost had recently been shattered, meaning he wouldn't be able of doing it again unless such occurrence were to repeat, with it also being out of his normal reach.
For example Modok Superior, for whom I'm making a profile has a couple of high-end feats he achieved by taking advantage of stuff occurring around the world at a specific moment. The most notable instance is when he became a cosmic entity holding the power of Bifrost and Yggdrasil and being strong enough to warp history, defeat Odinforce Thor and threaten the Ten Realms. This is solid 1-A bullshit but occurs only in a single issue and Modok was able of doing it simply because the Bifrost had recently been shattered, meaning he wouldn't be able of doing it again unless such occurrence were to repeat, with it also being out of his normal reach.
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do we even have a rule for prep-time tierings for Marvel and DC the same way we have it for power-ups? anyway this seems like a power-up via preptime so maybe
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Depends on how notable it is
Personally, it's a good intelligence feat I think, and it would be pretty weird to put that on the profile without it being indexed in his AP and P&A sections
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No. Her stints with a copy of Thor's powers have not been sufficiently prominent and long-lasting as far as I am aware. Let her be rated on her own merits.
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Isn't marquis of death, cosmic comic, manipulator have something similar (maybe also miracleman)?
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"Writer Jonathan Hickman teams up with artists @FredVice_Art and @IbanCoello to shatter and redesign the Marvel cosmos in ‘Imperial,’ a four-issue #MarvelComics event series coming this June."
"The formation of a new galactic order arises in the Marvel Universe, with groundbreaking developments for Hulks, Black Panthers, Novas, Guardians, and Cosmic Kings and Queens. Check out the cover, designs, and interior artwork and learn more now: http://spr.ly/60170ViZL"
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Anyone else find it weird how Latveria's society is medieval when their leader has some of the world's best technology?
I think it should be more like Ultimate Marvel's Latveria where it's a high tech country with the world's 9th biggest economy, just replace mind control devices with extreme dictatorship oversight.
I think it should be more like Ultimate Marvel's Latveria where it's a high tech country with the world's 9th biggest economy, just replace mind control devices with extreme dictatorship oversight.
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Hmm. She-Hulk is my favourite Marvel Comics character, so I really hope that Hickman doesn't turn her into a massive asshole like he did with the X-Men. 
Also, other than Brawn and She-Hulk, is that Skaar or the original Hulk, and what about Elizabeth Ross/Red Harpy?
Also, other than Brawn and She-Hulk, is that Skaar or the original Hulk, and what about Elizabeth Ross/Red Harpy?
So What Is Jonathan Hickman's Imperial About Anyway?
So what is Jonathan Hickman, Iban Coello and Federico Vicentini's Imperial from Marvel Comics about anyway?
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I'd say that making a key for MYTHOS Modok is fine, especially since we use it as a scaling feat for Thor's peak.
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I'm not sure he deserves a key specifically for that one appearance. While notable, as in the scale of power he wields, it's just a single appearance over more than a hundred for the character, and a couple other keys (Brodok and Modoc) that have more in comparison (4/5) and just a handful of powers, but still.
It technically violates our rules (at least 15 appearances for additional keys) and I wouldn't want to set a precedent, because then one could make the same argument for other characters such as, idk, Captain Universe Deadpool.
It technically violates our rules (at least 15 appearances for additional keys) and I wouldn't want to set a precedent, because then one could make the same argument for other characters such as, idk, Captain Universe Deadpool.
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Don't we have a exception rule if said character is used for an important scaling? If what Eseseso said is true, then he could be used to justify Peak Thor scaling.
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Yes, but does Thor's tier hinge prominently on Mythos, or is it a support feat, regardless of its magnitude?
And is this need already exhausted in Thor's profile, which already links all the relevant scans, or would it benefit significantly from a key in Modok's file?
And is this need already exhausted in Thor's profile, which already links all the relevant scans, or would it benefit significantly from a key in Modok's file?
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The MYTHOS feat is just one of a bunch of 1-A feats
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not really. Giving the citzens more advanced tech might give them ideas and besides what medical latveria has tech , they have robotics schools.
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"Writer Jonathan Hickman teams up with artists @FredVice_Art and @IbanCoello to shatter and redesign the Marvel cosmos in ‘Imperial,’ a four-issue #MarvelComics event series coming this June."
"The formation of a new galactic order arises in the Marvel Universe, with groundbreaking developments for Hulks, Black Panthers, Novas, Guardians, and Cosmic Kings and Queens. Check out the cover, designs, and interior artwork and learn more now: http://spr.ly/60170ViZL"
So Hickman is basically the "give this part of the universe an overhaul" guy, right?
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Yes. Agreed. It would set a bad precedent.
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Yes, but it has almost uniformly been in an amoral, dystopian, and sweepingly destructive manner, as seen with his work on the X-Men's Krakoa storyline, the Avengers incursion storyline, G.O.D.S., and his original Ultimate universe work.
His Fantastic Four and new Ultimate universe works have been thematic mixed bags though, but in general I would say that he seems like a good example of raw intelligence without the wisdom, empathy, faith, and kindness to use it in a socially constructive and beneficial manner, as he basically gives the impression of a computer repeatedly running hollow nihilistic thought experiments.
So I am worried that he will turn one of the top 3 (the other two likely being The Thing and Meggan Puceanu) kindest superheroes in the Marvel universe (She-Hulk) into a hollow thrill-killing "will to power" murder-machine.
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Marvel G.O.D.S was overhyped a whole bunch of nothing.
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It was badly written, ill-considered, and boring, and wantonly and haphazardly messed up Al Ewing's meticulous, well-considered, elaborate, and highly constructive work with Marvel comics cosmology for no good reasons.
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