The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Excellence616]

How should oblivion position in Sefirot?

After the Marvel Comics cosmology update, no one talked about oblivion much. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

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[Gasper]

When is Part 3 coming?

 

[Eseseso]

When is Part 3 coming?

I'm in the process of writing it. Probably shouldn't take too long to be posted.

 

[Tomfer]

Khonshu's new son

With Moon Knight's current arc coming to a close, I've made a profile of the new Fist of Khonshu, Badr. It's good enough to be posted or need something? And yes, he's passed the 20 issues rule already.

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[Gasper]

We completely forgot about Nyx

Nyx (Marvel Comics)

How can you stop me? How can you do anything but watch? I am mankind's first darkness. I am midnight and moonrise. I am a primal being, greater than gods... What are you?"Nyx, Goddess of Night" Nyx is the goddess of the night of the Greek pantheon. After being freed from her imprisonment as a...

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[Excellence616]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/thanos-with-the-astral-regulator.158417/

 

[Eseseso]

Me waiting for Part 3 of Ultima's revisions:

 

[Tomfer]

With how so long part 1 took, I'm surprised part 2 was even finished this year

 

[Eseseso]

With how so long part 1 took, I'm surprised part 2 was even finished this year

And even part 2 took an eternity to finally be resolved.

 

[Tomfer]

And even part 2 took an eternity to finally be resolved.

Even before I joined, part 1 was still mid-debate and I'm a few months in at this point, lmao.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we need to upgrade Onslaught first and then scale the Hulk to him, and remove Apocalypse's misinterpreted statement from the Hulk's page, but that's seems to be it, and it likely isn't a good idea to start over from the beginning.

Ask @IdiosyncraticLawyer

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[Excellence616]

@IdiosyncraticLawyer

Handle that already

Onslaught

Onslaught is a psionic entity formed from Charles Xavier's pent up frustration towards the advancement of mutant equality and Magneto's lust for vengeance against humanity. Sharing the intelligence and powers of both of its constituent consciousnesses, it proves to be one of the mightiest foes...

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[Antvasima]

Thank you, but Onslaught's 5-B key also needs to be adjusted via scaling from defeating The Juggernaut.

Juggernaut (Marvel Comics)

Cain Marko, also known as Juggernaut is the step-brother of Charles Xavier and one of the many known enemies of the X-Men. While he and his brother were serving the army in Korea, he entered a hidden temple and found the mystical ruby known as the Gem of Cyttorak. Upon wielding it, the gem...

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[Antvasima]

Is somebody here willing to handle this? I have unlocked Onslaught's page.

Onslaught

Onslaught is a psionic entity formed from Charles Xavier's pent up frustration towards the advancement of mutant equality and Magneto's lust for vengeance against humanity. Sharing the intelligence and powers of both of its constituent consciousnesses, it proves to be one of the mightiest foes...

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[Antvasima]

Apocalypse might also need to be updated btw.

Apocalypse (Marvel Comics)

Five millennia ago in Ancient Egypt, the first mutant was born. His grey skin and blue skin pattern resulted with him being abandoned by his parents to die in the desert. However, the infant's cries were heard by a band of feared nomadic raiders known as the Sandstormers. Seeing potential in the...

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[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Is somebody here willing to handle this? I have unlocked Onslaught's page.

Onslaught

Onslaught is a psionic entity formed from Charles Xavier's pent up frustration towards the advancement of mutant equality and Magneto's lust for vengeance against humanity. Sharing the intelligence and powers of both of its constituent consciousnesses, it proves to be one of the mightiest foes...

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I assume he's being changed to 5-B to 3-C? Or just straight up 3-C?

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Asking for Apocalypse as well

 

[Antvasima]

I assume he's being changed to 5-B to 3-C? Or just straight up 3-C?

Onslaught should probably get the same statistics as The Juggernaut currently has.

Asking for Apocalypse as well

I do not know for certain how to scale Apocalypse.

 

[Eseseso]

• In Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #90, Chthon is stated to be the underbelly of creation.
• In Mighty Thor #18 (2016), the Phoenix was gonna end all creation (i.e. the multiverse) when it was summoned by the Shi'ar Gods.
• In Mighty Thor #19 (2016), the Phoenix wants to consume the God Tempest because it's afraid of its power when unreleased.
• In Excalibur #14 (1988), Galactus consumes a planet that causes harm to the fabric of the omniverse.
• In Excalibur Visionaries: Alan Davis TPB #1 Part #2, the collapse of the entire multiverse can be nullified and stopped by the Phoenix.
• In Thor #177 (1966), Surtur is afraid of Odin and gets easily imprisoned by him.
• In Mighty Thor #12 (2016), Odin is able to imprison the God Tempest after fighting relative to it.
• In Journey Into Mystery #642 (2011), Surtur is the heart of a fire that engulfed Yggdrasil.
• In Thor: God-Size Special, Yggdrasil is confirmed to be the axis of stability of the multiverse.

Credit to @Supreme_odin

 

[Eseseso]

At least we can tell that Dweller in Darkness ~= Agamotto.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Since we all know that Ultima’s Part 3 will talk about the Elder Gods (Set, Chthon, and Gaea) and a couple other deities, I’m guessing they’ll get a Varies tier up to High 1-A, so I predict that these will be their justifications for their High 1-A stats.

Gaea: Said to be the first thing formed out of Chaos and the true front of creation. Transformed Skyfather Hercules into God of Gods Hercules. (Chaos War #4) Hercules confirms this while fighting Chaos King. (Chaos War #5)

Chthon: When Wanda had absorbed Chthons power, it was said that she had enough power to cause unimaginable destruction, worse than anything she had ever done, including the Chaos Wave during House of M. (Scarlet Witch Annual #1)

Set: Is responsible for keeping the Wyrm, a being that is said to be a threat to all of existence, in check. Him and Khonshu exists beyond Time and they both play important roles in the Marvel Multiverse. (Conan: Serpent War #4)

Khonshu (True Form): He represents every moon in the Marvel Multiverse. Him and Set exists beyond Time and they both play important roles in the Marvel Multiverse. (Conan: Serpent War #4)

Atum (True Form): Resides in the same realm as Khonshu. (Moon Knight #190) Exists beyond Space and Time. (Mighty Thor 2011 #9)

 

[Gasper]

Since we all know that Ultima’s Part 3 will talk about the Elder Gods (Set, Chthon, and Gaea), I’m guessing they’ll get a Varies tier up to High 1-A so I predict that these will be their justifications

Gaea: Bestowed Skyfather Hercules the power to contend with Chaos King (Chaos War #4)

Yeah that's High 1-A

Chthon: Claims to be more powerful than the Scarlet Witch despite the events of House of M (The Mighty Avengers #22)

Chthon was also stated to be the underbelly of creation, Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #90

 

[Gasper]

Set: Is responsible for keep the Wyrm in check (Conan: Serpant War #4)

In Marvel-two-in-one Vol 1 #66
It was stated that Sett is a serpent huge enough that he could eat all the Earths where his crown is manifested and as a multi-dimensional serpent bigger than the infinite Earths.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to update Onslaught's first statistics key? And would giving him the same statistics as The Juggernaut be appropriate?

Onslaught

Onslaught is a psionic entity formed from Charles Xavier's pent up frustration towards the advancement of mutant equality and Magneto's lust for vengeance against humanity. Sharing the intelligence and powers of both of its constituent consciousnesses, it proves to be one of the mightiest foes...

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[Gasper]

Jesus christ, did someone do that on purpose or..?

https://imgur.io/j8ltS8s?r

 

[Eseseso]

Chthon: Claims to be more powerful than the Scarlet Witch despite the events of House of M (The Mighty Avengers #22)

Tbf that statement on its own would technically only be enough for Low 1-A since Scarlet Witch at her peak scales to the Phoenix Force in House of M, and even without House of M at her peak she downscales from Chaos, who is equal to Nightmare and Eternity (she downscales since while she fought and took hits from him she still needed the help of Agatha and someone else to fight Chaos in a 3v1).

Also, found this, which may help in scaling the Elder Gods: https://vsbattles.com/threads/what-tier-are-the-elder-gods-from-marvel.12331/post-467046

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Model 61 Sandbox

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Tbf that statement on its own would technically only be enough for Low 1-A since Scarlet Witch at her peak scales to the Phoenix Force in House of M, and even without House of M at her peak she downscales from Chaos, who is equal to Nightmare and Eternity (she downscales since while she fought and took hits from him she still needed the help of Agatha and someone else to fight Chaos in a 3v1).

Also, found this, which may help in scaling the Elder Gods: https://vsbattles.com/threads/what-tier-are-the-elder-gods-from-marvel.12331/post-467046

I was thinking of the Chaos Wave during House of M and it’s said that Chthons uncontrolled power would be worse than anything Wanda’s ever done (Scarlet Witch Annual #1)

 

[Gasper]

Model 61 Sandbox

Looks good

 

[Eseseso]

I was thinking of the Chaos Wave during House of M and it’s said that Chthons uncontrolled power would be worse than anything Wanda’s ever done (Scarlet Witch Annual #1)

Just curious, how exactly is the Chaos Wave High 1-A?

Model 61 Sandbox

Excellent work!

One tiny thing, maybe you could add "higher with self-destruction" since its self-destruction one-shot 3 Celestials.

 

[Gasper]

How many High 1-B armors does Tony have?

 

[Eseseso]

How many High 1-B armors does Tony have?

Not enough.

Well, he has the Celestial one above, the one that fought a High 1-B Hulk, and the Low 1-A armor that shattered the Phoenix Force.

So 2 at minimum plus a Low 1-A armor (albeit the Low 1-A armor is a glass cannon).

 

[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Excellent work!

One tiny thing, maybe you could add "higher with self-destruction" since its self-destruction one-shot 3 Celestials.

Alrighy

How many High 1-B armors does Tony have?

So far, only 2 I think.

 

[Gasper]

Just curious, how exactly is the Chaos Wave High 1-A?

It's an omniverse spanning wave

 

[Gasper]

Not enough.

Well, he has the Celestial one above, the one that fought a High 1-B Hulk, and the Low 1-A armor that shattered the Phoenix Force.

So 3 at minimum.

Bruh

 

[Gasper]

I think Cosmic Cube's durability should be downgraded.

IIRC some humans were able to shatter it like Nick Fury and Bucky.

Cosmic Cubes

Cosmic Cubes, also known by the more general term of Cosmic Containment Units, are immensely powerful artifacts, energy matrices whose properties are derived from realms and beings beyond reality itself. To wield a Cosmic Cube is to hold reality, time and space in one's fingertips, acquiring the...

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[Isaiah_ZaMangaka]

Alrighy

Aiight, I updated the sandbox

I plan of making a CRT for permission to publish (although I'd like to know if emirp is still working on Model 70)

 

[Gasper]

Aiight, I updated the sandbox

I plan of making a CRT for permission to publish (although I'd like to know if emirp is still working on Model 70)

He should also have non-physical interaction https://imgur.io/a/N7T29wJ

Also, what would This give him by standing in their presence? It looks like resistance to gravity manipulation or black hole creation.

 

[TimeTrapperFanBoy]

Just curious, how exactly is the Chaos Wave High 1-A?

What Gasper said, basically it was trans temporal tsunami that was annihilating other unidentified earths (or branes). Uncanny X-Men #462

 

[Eseseso]

Thanks both of you for answering, but IMO the Elder Gods are definitely gonna need some profiles once part 3 is out, especially since we have stuff like Scarlet Witch absorbing Chthon entirely.