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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

His new host is only surrounded by African-American people, so it seems to be heavily inferred, but I might be mistaken.

However, it really might save the character from so often being handled with extreme antagonism and character distortion by many Marvel Comics writers, so I see it as a welcome change. They might hopefully leave him alone and let him shine in virtue again now.

And if what is supposed to be Marvel's most iconic "big gun" superhero can help to positively inspire lots of socially and financially oppressed brown kids, along with people in general, that is obviously also great.

He might help to serve as a bridge of understanding that there is only one race, the human race, as Rosa Parks herself said. 🙏
 
Well regardless, I think the premise is really interesting.

Even though I sort of loved the space-alien vibes from before, I can see him being integrated human society as very compelling as well.
 
Oh, and I'm also hoping, if it's progressive, that we'll get more representation/confirmation of Loki's genderfluid status.

I know it's been implied, or confirmed in the background before, but I would love to see it actually displayed properly in the foreground too.
 
What are you talking about? The modern version of Loki has long been openly genderfluid. It is a (more interesting but) entirely different character than classic Loki, who was cisgendered straight, and a bit of a horndog in that regard, given that he lusted after Lorelei and Storm, though. 🙏
 
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Donny Cates seemed to try to return Loki to being cisgendered straight though, and also had Loki subject Donald Blake to extreme amounts of torture. Cates' run didn't really make any sense in terms of storytelling or characterisation for either Thor or other characters. 🙏
 
What are you talking about? The modern version of Loki has long been openly genderfluid. It is a (more interesting but) entirely different character than classic Loki, who was cisgendered straight, and kind of a horndog in that regard, though. 🙏
Yeah, but only on a technical level I've felt, that is we haven't really seen a lot of actual frequent changing of gender in terms of pronouns and presentation.
 
Hmm. I have seen a lot of that over the years, even if there has been less of it in Thor's own comicbook.

By the way, if Thor is reborn into another universe that more closely resembles our "real" world, has Enchantress succeeded in her plans to usurp the Odinforce in the main Marvel Universe in the meantime? 🙏
 
Agreed. It was completely out of character for Blake to turn insane and murderous in the first place, and then he was systematically tortured by Loki afterwards. I am sorry for the horrible things that happened to Donny Cates in his private life right afterwards, but I do not appreciate his complete bastardisations of characterisations, rational narrative storytelling, and generally extremely callous and power-obsessed writing style at all. 🙏
 
By the way, this new comic book series also seems interesting. Christopher Priest's old Black Panther run was largely very good in my view, even if he also let Thor, who has endured energy blasts from multiple Celestials at the same time, almost be killed by a regular bullet to the head. 🙏

 
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Oh damn, The-Powers-That-Be shows up in the new Scarlet Witch and Vision book. Guess it's more than just those dumb redesigns that other writers are still salvaging from GODS after it was cut short. I never really read GODS so I don't know if this is confirmation or just a reaffirmation of their power but Wanda says that they're above the Vishanti, the Goddess Witchcraft, and Chthon.
 
Someone can add this to Moon Knight's page. From the recent Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu comic. He's got resistance to soul manipulation via Khonshu. He got stabbed by a magic sword that steals the souls of those it kills and Khonshu showed up to stop it.
 
Someone can add this to Moon Knight's page. From the recent Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu comic. He's got resistance to soul manipulation via Khonshu. He got stabbed by a magic sword that steals the souls of those it kills and Khonshu showed up to stop it.

Already on my list to add in the future.
 
Oh damn, The-Powers-That-Be shows up in the new Scarlet Witch and Vision book. Guess it's more than just those dumb redesigns that other writers are still salvaging from GODS after it was cut short. I never really read GODS so I don't know if this is confirmation or just a reaffirmation of their power but Wanda says that they're above the Vishanti, the Goddess Witchcraft, and Chthon.
In hindsight, it was fairly obvious, being comparable to other multiversal abstracts and all.

Also, is it just me, or Khonshu becomes stronger and higher in hierarchy each time he appears? Cause it sure feels this way.
 
Yeah, he does. He's already been stated to be above the "normal pantheon gods" with Knull saying he's an Elder God.
Normal being like Olympians and Norse ones? Is he like... Those Who Sit Above in Shadows?
 
In hindsight, it was fairly obvious, being comparable to other multiversal abstracts and all.
Yes.
Also, is it just me, or Khonshu becomes stronger and higher in hierarchy each time he appears? Cause it sure feels this way.
Well, Joe Kelly had Khonshu humiliate himself against Cyttorak, so I am no so certain. 🙏
 
Normal being like Olympians and Norse ones? Is he like... Those Who Sit Above in Shadows?
I am not so sure that they are Elder gods yet, but Al Ewing may eventually reveal them to be manifestations of Utgard-Loki for all that we know. 🙏
 
Normal being like Olympians and Norse ones? Is he like... Those Who Sit Above in Shadows?
I don't know anything about those guys, so I can't answer that.

Well, Joe Kelly had Khonshu humiliate himself against Cyttorak, so I am no so certain. 🙏
To be fair, they were in Cyttorak's realm, and gods are at their strongest inside their own realms. If they were in Khonshu's realm, the roles could be reversed.
 
Some more information about Thor's new status quo:


THE LEGEND BEGINS!

The Norse Myths tell of Gods who walked the Earth, doing great deeds for the mortals who believed in them. But Asgard isn’t real, and never was. The Gods never soared in our skies, never stood with our heroes, never fought for kindness or justice. It was all just a story. Nobody’s coming to help us. But somewhere in the city… a man is waking up.

A man with a hammer.

“Since the very first issue of IMMORTAL THOR, Thor’s been facing the end of his tale… but that was only the end of Act One,” Ewing explained. “As the next chapter begins, Thor must face threats he’s never faced, from a place he’s never been… until now. Is he alive? Is he dead? Is he immortal… or much, much more? You’ll have to join us to find out.”
 
So does that mean we might see Thor in his Donald Blake persona like in the 1960's? Because the way that teaser announcement is worded, I think what's going to happen is Thor waking up in his Donald Blake persona and the story goes from there.
 
I think that he might have ended up in something much more closely resembling our real world, where he might experience both our own world's social problems from an oppressed underdog perspective, as well as what he is normally threatened by in a metafictional sense, both from what he symbolises to bigoted far-right fans and from authors who have distorted his characterisation beyond recognition over the years, as well as Ewing's in my view severe overestimation of the negative effects our own powerscaling wiki's and community's focus on the power level of the character has on him and the world in general. But Ewing is entitled to having his opinion, even if I personally think that the last one is partially misguided and/or misinformed. 🙏
 
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Can someone explain what is the Quiet Math things all about? why are they mentioned in Scarlet Witch?
After Sir Isaac Newton murdered Galileo Galilei, he supplanted his old master as the Patriarch and changed the purpose of the Brotherhood of the Shield. Instead of the defiance and hope of "This is not how the world ends," he believed that the world is destined to end in 2060. From then on, the Brotherhood's role was "assisting the orderly demise of the world."

The Five-Fold Understanding is how Newton deduced the "final fate" of man, and it is the methodology of the Brotherhood for managing reality after Newton took control of it. It consists of the Greater Science, the Hidden Arts, the Secret Alchemy, the Quiet Math, and the Silent Truth.
The fourth of Newton's Five-Fold Understanding is the Quiet Math. With the immortality from the Secret Alchemy came clarity of thought, understanding, and deduction; Newton was finally able to "Solve for Everything" mathematically. However, he calculated that the world will end in 2060.
From what I can tell, it seems like a metaphor for the structure of the Marvel Multiverse from a mathematical perspective. If I had to guess, it might also be a reference to the new Abstract Entity The-Natural-Order-of-Things.
 
Anybody here use Marvel Unlimited? I've been curious about some of the exclusive comics on their (funnily enough, they're both Avengers books), but I'm not sure if I should get a subscription just for those two, and I'm not the most knowledgable on how exactly it all works...
 
Anybody here use Marvel Unlimited? I've been curious about some of the exclusive comics on their (funnily enough, they're both Avengers books), but I'm not sure if I should get a subscription just for those two, and I'm not the most knowledgable on how exactly it all works...
I read them for free. It takes longer and some don't even get there but Avengers academy and Avengers United and some others.
 
Is there a way to add a numerical value to the 1 Planck MFTL+ rating on some of these Marvel mid tiers? Like a note or something?

I bring up 1 Planck a lot. I know.
 
Avengers Academy WAS one of the ones I was curious about, actually...
I think it's mostly ok but I'm sure most people think it's woke s#it because there is a lot of LGBT characters.
My real complain is that there is almost no classes, the entire book is basically them acting as heroes despite not being supposed to because they are still learning.
 
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