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The P L O T thickens - SCP-2786 vs Monika

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SCP-2786 jacked the plot of Doki Doki Literature Club and is trying to 'save' the MC and the rest of the cast from the fate that Monika has in store for them. She isn't about to let that happen.

Win via SBA. Speed equalized.

SCP2786-2
I'm going to save everyone. Because that's what heroes do.

OnlyMonika
I don't know who you are or what you plan to do, but I'm not going to let you keep me from him.

Who wins and why?
 
Firstly, what the two both have. They're both non-corporeal reality warpers with plot manipulation and data manipulation.

Secondly, what 2786 has. 2786 has Immortality (addressed by Monika's existence erasure), at least Low-Godly Regenerationn, limited Precognition, Law Manipulation, Information Manipulation, and Causality Manipulation (offset by Monika's limited acausality in time paradox immunity).

Monika, on the other hand, has Time Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Power Nullification, Memory Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, resistance to Plot Manipulation, and Resurrection from non-existence.

They both have ways to keep each other down temporarily but likely not for good. 2786 has law and information manipulation, while Monika has some mean existence erasure, however, the effectiveness of all these is questionable and likely not permanent.

Since 2786 doesn't seem to use law/information manipulation in character in a way which will knock Monika down quickly enough, I think in character Monika would get off memory/mind manipulation to put 2786 into what would effectively be incap before 2786 could get anything noteworthy done. Even if 2786 did luck into some law/information manipulation which troubled Monika, she could, and does in character, rewind time to before that happened.

Or in short, Monika will get mind/memory manip off and incap 2786 before 2786 can put Monika down.
 
The lack of resistances in 2786's profile is due to the fact that I overlooked them when I made it. It's shown resistance to plot manipulation while manifesting in the Foundation and should have resistance to Soul and Madness manip from ''Amnesia''
 
OuterversalRaditz said:
The lack of resistances in 2786's profile is due to the fact that I overlooked them when I made it. It's shown resistance to plot manipulation while manifesting in the Foundation and should have resistance to Soul and Madness manip from Amnesia
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How does it manifesting in the Foundation demonstrate resistance to plot manip? Are we sure we want to cross reference events to give 2786 Soul and Madness resistance? Perhaps 2786 instead used law/data/plot/information manipulation to stop those enemies from having Soul or Madness resistance. We don't have enough facts to determine whether it conclusively should or shouldn't have it, so I think we should err on it not having it.

2786 can in all likelihood survive Monika's reality warping/data manipulation with its own. 2786 might be able to survive Monika's existence erasure with Low-Godly, and would definitely be able to with High-Godly. However, 2786 has nothing to deal with Memory/Mind/Time manipulation.
 
@Agnaa

2786 demonstrated plot manipulation when it wrote itself out of the Foundation's "enhanced narrative complex" along with multiple other attempts to contain it by manipulating narratives it manifested in. You make a fair point on the resistances though.

I'm not arguing 2786 beats Monika or the other way around right now though, I just don't know enough about Monika.
 
That's plot manipulation for sure, but is it resistance to plot manipulation?

I should have structured my comment better, but my last paragraph was in response to thegamingmaster, not to you.
 
Agnaa said:
Firstly, what the two both have. They're both non-corporeal reality warpers with plot manipulation and data manipulation.
Secondly, what 2786 has. 2786 has Immortality (addressed by Monika's existence erasure), at least Low-Godly Regenerationn, limited Precognition, Law Manipulation, Information Manipulation, and Causality Manipulation (offset by Monika's limited acausality in time paradox immunity).

Monika, on the other hand, has Time Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Power Nullification, Memory Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, resistance to Plot Manipulation, and Resurrection from non-existence.

They both have ways to keep each other down temporarily but likely not for good. 2786 has law and information manipulation, while Monika has some mean existence erasure, however, the effectiveness of all these is questionable and likely not permanent.

Since 2786 doesn't seem to use law/information manipulation in character in a way which will knock Monika down quickly enough, I think in character Monika would get off memory/mind manipulation to put 2786 into what would effectively be incap before 2786 could get anything noteworthy done. Even if 2786 did luck into some law/information manipulation which troubled Monika, she could, and does in character, rewind time to before that happened.

Or in short, Monika will get mind/memory manip off and incap 2786 before 2786 can put Monika down.
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did you read this?
 
well, i missed it, what gives 2786 resistance to mind hax?

That's plot manipulation for sure, but is it resistance to plot manipulation?

not ignoring this
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes, and everythingafter that takes the argument apart
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There wasn't anything after it taking the argument apart.

Gamingmaster voted 2786 giving no reasons. Riki asked if Monika could bypass high-godly, Saikou said bypassing that isn't needed. OuterversalRaditz said 2786 should have resistance to soul and madness manip (both of which are irrelevant to my argument), then Raditz and I talked about whether 2786 should have resistance to plot manip or not (which is also irrelevant to my argument).
 
Any rebuttlal for High-Godly regen?
 
Alright then. 3 votes in favour of the waifu.
 
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