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Ah- So, that is.
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The Monument Mythos Discussion Thread
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I’m probably not equipped enough to propose a super big revision for the top tiers but I feel like I could push for angel and freedom being higher. I have yet to see anything about the whole Giza glass chain reaction stuff
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You can if you have the willpower. The only deciding limiter is whether or not you're willing to play the long game to get these things applied.
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Angel outscales an accepted 7-C feat (which is definitely higher) and possibly has higher scaling from cracking open the earth at the end of s2
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Should be far higher tbh, the destruction of the earth im pretty sure was calced at drawf star lvl or something. That isnt even factoring the s3 stuff
Chritin
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The dwarf star calc was the size / rel-KE of the Horned Serpent, not the splitting of the world itself. Honestly, the Angel doesn't get much for stats in S3, just hax related to their division and the formation of the Perfect Union which can kill the Martian Serpent.
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Nah pretty sure it’s the earth being blown up
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ppointment/A_big_old_snake_blows_up_the_Earth
He survives the destruction of earth and the great division.
Chritin
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Guess it is the rel-KE of the planet being exploded, but honestly it'd be higher if it was the rel-KE of his movement. Plus, in terms of it applying to the Angel and Freedom, it would just be them "cracking" the earth open. That feat itself only applies to the Horned Serpent and Nixon cause he killed the Serpent.
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The “cracking” of the earth is pretty clearly meant to be its destruction. It’s never implied or shown that the serpent destroyed the planet, it “awakens”/starts moving after it gets blown up. I already explained angel tanking it and no Nixon didn’t kill the serpent
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Idk, it's kinda up in the air if cracking the earth is the destruction we see, but i get what you're saying. The problem beyond that when scaling it to the Angel and Freedom is that it was a combined attack from the interaction between the Angel's Rays and Freedom's Giza Glass sword. Yes, the angel did survive, but this was likely due to its level of hax as a being which can reform itself. Freedom on its own was completely obliterated by the attack with only her head remaining, however, we see she is able to behead the Angel without any issue.
While I haven't looked into the Nixonverse in a bit, I think the original idea was that Nixon did kill the Horned Seprent, but by fictionalizing his actions it retroactively restored the MM timeline for the events of Season 3 (the Horned Serpent didn't die and S3 picks back up after the great division with the angel)
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We’re was it stated it was because of the interaction between Giza glass and angels rays? Because I haven’t seen that statement plus we literally see them interact in s3 and nothing happens. When has he ever shown the ability to just refrain from stuff? The fact that freedoms head survived would imply otherwise that it was due to the earth blowing up. Ya cuz Giza glass hax
Yes and no, Nixon “took out” the crescent king who was transforming into its own verse of the horned serpent. The Nixon verse literally takes place in a completely different universe, it plays no part in angel changing the deanverse timeline
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Chritin
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The entire plan behind pinning Freedom and the Angel on each other is that when they fought they would basically kill each other. This is shown to us by the Angels rays hitting Freedom's Giza Glass sword, causing an event which kills them. Instead, this event spurred the Great Division and caused the Horned Serpent to be released. In season 3, this interaction changes because of the Angels ashes. The influence of his future self being sent back in time stops the Angel from interacting with Freedom, instead allowing her to kill him.
The Angel is capable of dividing and reforming itself at will. We see this when it's first created and when it decides to split apart and scatter its body throughout time. Freedom's head says literally the exact opposite about her being able to survive? Just cause her head survived doesn't mean she tanked the great division since she was literally killed. Also, Giza glass doesn't have dura neg, so no Freedom being able to cut the angel isn't just cause of hax. The only thing that would maybe say otherwise is that Giza Glass can cut special trees, but that was also done by Giza Guardians who are similar beings to freedom I believe.
Yeah I know about the Last Son becoming a new Horned Serpent, but my point was that it was implied Nixon departed from the Horned Serpent in the Deanverse and took its skull with him for the D-Day Knight. My point was though that if Nixon did kill the Horned Serpent, then by Nixon fictionalizing himself and all of his actions, then it would leave the Deanverse unchanged. This then leads into S3, where the Angel does there own thing to retroactively halt the great division.
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Which didn’t work, so basically pure speculation on the Giza glass reaction. His crown literally destroyed her sword and nothing happened
Ya when his created then he splits himself in s3 he basically dies to spread his memory. As far as I’ve seen this reforming stuff has shown no combat application nor is it implied he reformed himself after the explosion. The fact that neither the planet exploding nor the great division obliterated her head says otherwise. Giza glass has spatial hax so ya it kinda dose
It wasn’t, the skull thing I’m pretty sure is the equivalent of what the government used for glass of there death ray. It’s a piece of the serpent but not the actual thing. Nixon did literally nothing in the deanverse but leave.
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The plan wasn't wrong, just the predicted result didn't come out. Instead of just killing each other, they cracked open the earth. Everything else from their plan of capture to the final moments are seemingly an accurate representation. Hell, even if you want to say that we don't exactly how the world was cracked open, it was definitely through the fight between the Angel and Freedom, not just one of them deciding to do that. It seemingly was unintentional even on their part since one of them ******* dies and the other one regrets causing the great division. It's clearly an unintended consequence of their fight which outscaled both of them.
He died cause he divided himself so thin that the particles of his body could travel throughout time. Obviously he wouldn't reform from that, cause all of the pieces aren't even in the same time. The fact he can control his body though, and has experience reforming himself from particles lends to the idea he could just regen. And like I said, still doesn't explain how he gets annihilated by Freedom even though her entire body was obliterated.
Fair enough. Either way Nixon still is like nigh-Horned serpent level so it ain't a big deal on semantics.
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I forget, but I believe the plan, back when this was more active, was to scale Nixon above the Serpent.
He's on par with Cthonaut A afterall.
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It kinda was, they both didn’t die, angel seemly killed freedom but bros still around. Ya I’m not arguing that angel pr freedom destroyed the planet individually, it was both of them going at it.
Sure, point is nothing implies he reformed after the explosion or great division. I mean I just pointed out the Giza glass dura neg stuff and even if that wasn’t the case it would still be a feat for freedom
probably, Alcatraz in general needs some series revisions tbh
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I'm sorry but Freedom literally did??? We see her disembodied head just sitting on the ground with no sign she's alive. I explained how I think the angel survived, but the point is that both of them don't scale to the attack since Freedom can also one shot the Angel. If the feat comes from both of them going at it, and theirs evidence that neither of them would actually scale individually to their clash, then it doesn't matter.
I'm saying its an explanation, with further evidence based on him being cut. And no you didn't give evidence for Giza Glass dura neg. There's nothing about it from what I remember that gives it that. Only that body parts remain connected to each other rather than cut.
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Wait, what happened now?
Chritin
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For a variety of reasons over the year, Eve (the creator of the Monument Mythos), has unlisted, deleted, or recompiled various parts of the Monument Mythos. This was mostly at play during the creation the Trinity Desk project spin-off, as well as MM S3 & Modern Day. After finishing another spin-off series, Alternate American Folklore, she has since reuploaded EVERY piece of MM content into a single playlist. This even includes things that have been lost for YEARS, like the 2nd Cornerfolk Episode (CORNERBABY), and some old versions of MM S1-2 episodes like Pyramid Plasma.
In the past, I was planning on doing a CRT that did include all of this content, since some of it like the Nixonverse and MM S3 were reuploaded individually, and Eve had made it apparent that their deletion of some did not entirely rule out the validity of them. However, this would've given a few characters many unnecessary keys.
Now however, generally speaking, everything is cannon once again.
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Nice!
CanineAnnoyer
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I'm no longer interested in the verse, but in case you want to make a revision, here is an unfinished sandbox I made years ago with some stuff from Season 3 and Modern Day
Chritin
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Appreciate it, and yeah I feel that. The verse is on my list of stuff to work on, but I'm knee deep in Elden Ring with fingers in many other pies lol.
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Why are the Crescent King's threads in The House In The Ocean & Nixonverse different? Isn't he the same Crescent King? If we can change that, i'll do the revision and upgrade more abilities for him.
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Chritin
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Iirc the justification before was based on the idea that THITO was a fictionalized story within the Nixonverse. It was just kind of its own thing, separate from the events of the nixonverse, but with shared elements which linked them.
Idk though. I feel like there's a better explanation but I'm up to mid-S2 on my rework of the verse.
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Ah yeah, i remember that. Eve stated in Q&A that THITO just a mythos in Nixonverse. But, doesn't it just still the same Crescent King that bought in Nixonverse? He's also survive from the Fictionalized by Nixon, then gone to AAF (Alternate American Folklore). There's a chance that Crescent King is travel through universe using Neural Pathway (he's using Container consciousness and possess them as he done to The Last Son of Alcatraz and fusioned Luna—Ship Jester).
Sorry for my bad grammar btw.
