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Deagon commandeered the title of these revisions, so this is now the Sisyphean quest to downgrade God of War. Sorry, Odysseus.
Biological Manipulation [Hades]
He currently has this due to resurrecting a man who was recently cut in half. This is just resurrection - a thing he already has on his profile for this exact reason - and the fact that his two halves are made whole again can be attributed to the innate healing properties of resurrection and not some unrelated ability to freely alter one's biology.
Resistance to "Everything Else Hades Has" [Kratos' God Key]
In God of War 3, Hades attempts to rip out Kratos' soul. Here's how Kratos' page explains this event:
Typical soul stuff, with the minor issue that this feat doesn't happen "repeatedly"; It happens exactly once in a cutscene with a QTE. That's a minor nitpick, though, because what I'm really interested in is the quote "also resisting all of his other abilities as well". This is odd, because it's looking at Hades using one (1) ability, and concluding that Kratos must resist every ability he has as an extension of that. Hades doesn't try to kill him with fire, or drain his lifeforce, or curse him with an eternal slumber, or anything besides the single ability we see on screen (the soul absorption). He doesn't even try to manipulate Kratos' biology by bringing him back to life. Needless to say, this is a massive leap in logic with 0 factual basis.
Abstract Existence [Type 2] [Kratos’ God Key]
Kratos has this because he contained hope inside of himself after the events of God of War 1, but it lay dormant within him until God of War 3 (where the whole “Power of Hope” thing comes into play). That’s it. Kratos has an abstraction inside of himself, so he must also embody that abstraction in a way that makes him immortal, which is never confirmed to be the case. While we do see that hope brought him back from the dead in GoW 3, it’s clear that this lingering traces of hope within him prior to and after that game don’t make him immortal since Thor straight up kills him in Ragnarok. This is also ignoring the issue of how simply having an abstraction inside of you isn’t enough for type 2 AE. If that were the case, everyone in GoW would have AE by virtue of their souls being abstractions.
Flames of Olympus Scaling [Power of Hope Kratos]
Currently, Kratos is given access to all the abilities possessed by the Flames of Olympus while he wields the power of hope. This gives him death manipulation, curse negation, and some extra forms of immortality negation, as well as resistance to all of these abilities. The source of this claim is that hope is stronger than the flames. We are not told the specifics of its superiority, just that the flames “pale in comparison” to hope. This just isn’t how hax scaling works; Being described as stronger or greater than something does not mean you gain the abilities of that thing; Kratos is stronger than many gods, but should he get all of their powers? This line of thinking makes no sense regardless of what the comparison is; The black plague pales in comparison to a supernova, but we aren’t giving the sun disease manipulation on that basis.
There’s a secondary problem in that the Flames of Olympus’ most notable trait - killing everything it touches - is also mysteriously absent from the scenes where hope plays a major role. Kratos as a mortal is unphased by hope entering his body, and while Ares did die to Kratos using the power of hope, he still put up a good fight and wasn’t instantly incapacitated by these supposed instant death hax. Kratos in GoW 3 and Zeus’ spirit are also not instantly killed by exposure to hope, nor does humanity die from Kratos releasing hope into the world (they die from all the other shit that’s going on, of course). Hell, Kratos is even brought back to life by hope - The total opposite of killing everything on contact. It’s a truly baffling assumption that a force intended to counteract the darkest parts of our psyche, to give us strength in our time of need, is also somehow a force that instantly kills whatever it touches with no hope of return. What would the core message of GoW 3 be if hope killed whatever it touched? “Hope is found in death”? Is GoW 3 the first pro-suicide game?
Resistance to Bodily Weaponry [Freya]
…Do I really need to explain this? I feel like this one was just an editing mistake LMAO
Creation [Nidhogg]
C’mon now.
