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The Geeksquad: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut
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Well it's still a bit vague but, from what I understand...
Chaos is the opposite of creation, which is the separation into various elements and things. Upon contact with things of creation, if their Energeia (IE, Resistance) is overpowered, they start disassembling into their base components and return to chaos, where there is no difference between life, death, cold, hot, or anything of the sort.
Even if someone resists, it's still going to be really difficult for them to use their abilities on anything else, as they would have to disrupt any spellcasting or whatnot just to fight off the effects, as if they tried to do anything else like Gal in the beginning of Dominion Odyssey, it's going to be immensely existentially painful.
And, as revealed recently, this disassembly goes to the scale of UniquAs, as Gal trying to use it in the face of Mirror Ruler caused a rejection reaction that her powers barely held down, simply due to the fact Gal only handed over half of his existence to chaos as of now (Being Fen, poor guy)
How that plays into the overall strategy, I dunno, but it's cool and stuff
Chaos is the opposite of creation, which is the separation into various elements and things. Upon contact with things of creation, if their Energeia (IE, Resistance) is overpowered, they start disassembling into their base components and return to chaos, where there is no difference between life, death, cold, hot, or anything of the sort.
Even if someone resists, it's still going to be really difficult for them to use their abilities on anything else, as they would have to disrupt any spellcasting or whatnot just to fight off the effects, as if they tried to do anything else like Gal in the beginning of Dominion Odyssey, it's going to be immensely existentially painful.
And, as revealed recently, this disassembly goes to the scale of UniquAs, as Gal trying to use it in the face of Mirror Ruler caused a rejection reaction that her powers barely held down, simply due to the fact Gal only handed over half of his existence to chaos as of now (Being Fen, poor guy)
How that plays into the overall strategy, I dunno, but it's cool and stuff
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How potent is it? Because that seems like something SOL 100% would resist, and reducing V down to the fundamental components that come before creation (which, in her case, would be most similar to Aria) tend to be less of an issue against someone remarkably skilled with using Aria.
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Well, I suppose it doesn't matter too much if Eve divebombs SOL instantly tfw I was told Tset was a mistake, only to be hit by 1-A instant erasure and Gal kinda just has a tier up advantage over the remaining member anyway.
Admittedly V will definitely play a game of "Avoid the Gal" while picking off the far squishier teammates.
Admittedly V will definitely play a game of "Avoid the Gal" while picking off the far squishier teammates.
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That probably won't work
If he just tries to zoom around with time manipulation Gal could probably do something similar to what he did against the Aura Testament and start disassembling time around him a little bit to the point it wouldn't work as well or it would just not work right at all, comboed with the area covering attacks mentioned earlier
If he just tries to zoom around with time manipulation Gal could probably do something similar to what he did against the Aura Testament and start disassembling time around him a little bit to the point it wouldn't work as well or it would just not work right at all, comboed with the area covering attacks mentioned earlier
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"How potent is it"
While it can pretty much disassemble attacks, defenses, barriers and whatnot, it can be resisted by virtue of Gal not having it mastered/100% anyways.
Otherwise think of it working more or less like Arcueid's support from the Earth -- where Chaos' maximum output is Unique Art level (Anywhere between High 1-B to 1-A interference) but the output it gives Gal is oftentimes a perfect match to what he is facing rather than fixed at max.
So it can be resisted because the formula to its potency is:
1. Gal's Own Power Level
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2. A Chaotic Output equal in potency to Whatever Gal is Currently attempting to disassemble.
So assuming an opponent's overall power and Energeia are more or less equal to Gal, even if they are affected their defenses tend to cover enough for them to not be oneshotted or anything.
While it can pretty much disassemble attacks, defenses, barriers and whatnot, it can be resisted by virtue of Gal not having it mastered/100% anyways.
Otherwise think of it working more or less like Arcueid's support from the Earth -- where Chaos' maximum output is Unique Art level (Anywhere between High 1-B to 1-A interference) but the output it gives Gal is oftentimes a perfect match to what he is facing rather than fixed at max.
So it can be resisted because the formula to its potency is:
1. Gal's Own Power Level
+
2. A Chaotic Output equal in potency to Whatever Gal is Currently attempting to disassemble.
So assuming an opponent's overall power and Energeia are more or less equal to Gal, even if they are affected their defenses tend to cover enough for them to not be oneshotted or anything.
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Moritzva said:
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In regards to Fate's post -
Seems like a difficult sell, as the manipulation of Aria/Caelum seems incredibly equatable to Chaos, in which Gal will have a hard time getting past, especially given the gap in their masteries of such.
Seems like a difficult sell, as the manipulation of Aria/Caelum seems incredibly equatable to Chaos, in which Gal will have a hard time getting past, especially given the gap in their masteries of such.
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As said in that post, it matches what Gal is facing.Moritzva said:
He can still use it for offense and defense and to disassemble effects, whatever someone's shooting at him or all the ethereal yada yada but yes it can be resisted/not usually a oneshot on people comparable to him.
...Then again, looking at their tiers it should still be pretty dangerous by that gap in raw power level alone.
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The matter is moreso that anything he disassembles, will likely be re-inforced and recollected by a similar force - Gal's mastery is low, after all.FateAlbane said:
I may need some clarification, though, since if the potency vs resistance is,
"Gal's strength + Equal To Opposing Resistances vs Opposing Resistances"
... wouldn't Gal, by default, overpower all resistances?
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It's not a matter of not being able to one shot / do a lot of damage,
It's a matter of landing a hit against The Fast.
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Usually yes, but (if you pardon the meme)
"Energeia, son.
It refines in response to Chaotic Trauma."
...'k, memes aside, this is again a case equal with Arcueid's support from Earth.
Since the output given is equal to what is on the other side, even if it does pass it won't be a oneshot/will do damage rather than instantly annihilate it.
Think hitting a wall with a hard hammer. The hammer's strength + the person hitting does have enough strength to break the wall with enough hits, but because it isn't a gigantic difference it won't just overkill the wall and make it disintegrate in the first hit *even if it has the power to get through*.
Then the wall also becomes stronger in the middle of the hit (Energeia Refinement), so the output gives more to match it in the next. Rinse and repeat until either wall actually breaks or the wall kills the person with the hammer.
"Energeia, son.
It refines in response to Chaotic Trauma."
...'k, memes aside, this is again a case equal with Arcueid's support from Earth.
Since the output given is equal to what is on the other side, even if it does pass it won't be a oneshot/will do damage rather than instantly annihilate it.
Think hitting a wall with a hard hammer. The hammer's strength + the person hitting does have enough strength to break the wall with enough hits, but because it isn't a gigantic difference it won't just overkill the wall and make it disintegrate in the first hit *even if it has the power to get through*.
Then the wall also becomes stronger in the middle of the hit (Energeia Refinement), so the output gives more to match it in the next. Rinse and repeat until either wall actually breaks or the wall kills the person with the hammer.
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Well, mmm... Aren't Yomishka, Tset, and Eileen also here?
Maybe they can help with the whole go fast thing?
Maybe they can help with the whole go fast thing?
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Hence why we need their creators to respond.FateAlbane said:
On one hand, all of them get obliterated upon a single touch, and even Tset's skill will be faced with backlash if a fair majority of The Collective within The Consortium shows up to offer tactical advice
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To be fair Vayla definitely isn't outskilled to the point of total memery, at least I don't think so.
Tset himself isnt exactly great at buffing people, but he can totally just give them Sword Logic and let them amp themselves from there, although that's ooc unless he knows he's ****** without it. And he probably is considering he doesnt take it well when he's just totally unable to analyse something.
Also, I've heard of some new stuff about Tset's stealth that may help against Vayla, namely that it scales to Loli Jack who couldn't be detected by Chaldea. Chaldea is notable for finding Goetia's temple, which was outside of the timeline, and Goetia itself despite it erasing all information about itself from the past, present, and future on top of 2-A counterspells.
Tset himself isnt exactly great at buffing people, but he can totally just give them Sword Logic and let them amp themselves from there, although that's ooc unless he knows he's ****** without it. And he probably is considering he doesnt take it well when he's just totally unable to analyse something.
Also, I've heard of some new stuff about Tset's stealth that may help against Vayla, namely that it scales to Loli Jack who couldn't be detected by Chaldea. Chaldea is notable for finding Goetia's temple, which was outside of the timeline, and Goetia itself despite it erasing all information about itself from the past, present, and future on top of 2-A counterspells.
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So, he's not likely to give sword logic?
Also, that's the stealth feat I was waiting for, hue. Well, that probably just about works, given V's magical senses are utterly absurd, but only on an Aria level, which is in the Tier 2 range.
Also, that's the stealth feat I was waiting for, hue. Well, that probably just about works, given V's magical senses are utterly absurd, but only on an Aria level, which is in the Tier 2 range.
