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The Geeksquad: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Moritzva said:
Tset doesn't resist time stop.
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(I feel tricked, duped, and quite possibly bamboozled.)

But errr, yeah. From what I know of Fate/, EX Presence Concealment is probably a problem, and probably their best shot of getting a hit in. Doesn't matter if you stop time if you don't know where to attack, I'd imagine.
 
Yeah, SOL isn't seeing through Vitrification. Her radiation attacks are preeeeeeeetty indiscriminate, though. She has no issues with vast collateral damage if she catches her opponent in the blast.
 
How potent is her radiation? Because Tset is a Servant and also has no issues fighting on the moon and other places where cosmic radiation would be an issue
 
How much you want to bet it just wasnt listed---.

Eve: "And here I thought I could stay in boring bridge guard duty."

'k let me be more serious here for a bit.

In-verse, Eve's main problem in a direct fight tends to be stamina. In Bewitching B. Branch most of her troublesome situations came from people exploiting numbers/tiring her over extended time so she couldn't use her stuff as freely.

So I guess her main intent over the course of the year would be to refine her Energeia as much as she can to stop having F stamina... Which given Gal also being there would be even faster to do as they both can interact and discuss terms they are 100% familiar with ~ have in common from the get-go.

I dunno if the others can also come up with something to boost her stamina but that would be her main weakness to get rid of in the prep time.

...And while we're on the subject of time, her Unique Art is also a thing to watch out for, aside from Hellfire and Samsara. As DO lore added overtime, you need interference on the level of the Codex to get in the way of that.

She can't usually pull Hellfire or Samsara at the same time her Unique Art is in effect (in verse she tends to "just" stab/decapitate whatever is under effect) but with like 4 other people to the sides I can see that being quite the asset in helping other party members get their hit in if they need a window.
 
Should mention that while she can't pull anything along with her Unique Art, Samsara + Hellfire combo is a valid move -- in-verse she doesn't do that because it's like asking for another set of enemies to pop up the next minute and "poke" her exhausted self.

But if she has confirmation from the group here and a year of prep to know "It's just these" she wouldn't have a problem with using either of these early on, if they wanted to incorporate these moves in the overall strategy.
 
While Vayla serves as an excellent jack-of-all-trades brawler, SOL has faaaaar more raw boom-boom and AP to throw around in AoE.

Tset can 100% fool the physical senses, but will the advanced magical detection of Aria get past that? The absurd feats... Yeesh, yea, her physical senses can't touch it.

Also, why would it be a bad idea to copy him again? Mori Jin stuff?
 
I guess I'll throw the Gal hat

He hasn't actually ever encountered timestop in story yet though as soon as Vlad gets their Energeia stock from Yggracross he's planning on getting hit with like, a lot of different sorcery including it but considering the AP gap he'd probably pull a Sieghart and just kinda walk through it

Consortium flames aren't anything special considering he already had like a month to adapt to chaos doing all the same sort of things to him, and even then he uses like nothing but magic blasts all over the place. I'm not sure much is really stopping him from just wiping Vayla out the second they try to stop time

As per SOLSTICE he can't really do much, he's definitely an edgy loner who would have a lot of trouble making a plan big and complex enough to work, and SOLSTICE's absolute barrier already takes care of what little tricks he might have up his sleeve from using Darkness' primordial property or Chaos
 
Yomishka was like,

The reason The Geeksquad beat up SOL.
 
As it turns out, yes, the only hax Vayla is actually really bad at dealing with is "higher durability than my AP".

I'll comment extensively later.
 
Dammit, my reply got deleted.

Regarding Gal -

So, while he can't really resist time stop, it doesn't matter defensively since he's ******* invulnerable to her anyways, and any damage she can do to him means nothing. She'll learn this quick enough, and probably just ignore him and tell Alice to smack him instead.

Regarding hurting her back, however, that's massively more problematic. Mobile, skilled, and a firm believer in abusing Caelum temporal trickery, actually landing a blow will be difficult to do, though I don't know his full skill set.

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Regarding Tset -

Well, Tset's a skilled ************. Yea he's definitely a strong dude, and I barely know half of what he can do, though his stealth is great. Unfortunately, not resisting time stop spells very badly. Her physical senses are nowhere near enough to sense him, but her Aria sensory may be able to catch him, and if it does, that's going to end very badly.

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Regarding Eve -

It's dubious and unknown as far as I know if Anamnesis + Destruction (often used as a mini anti-magic field to prevent, say, curses or effects that link to the body like Samsara, quite literally by blowing them up) could take care of it, though Vayla will definitely need to watch for that hellfire. A lot.

Naturally, Eve needs to be careful, since she's also very frail. Unlike Alice, Vayla will not be fighting anywhere near a straight fight, and will probably not think to even bother hinting Alice in on whatever the hell she's planning. She definitely has kill potential, though.

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In an overall sense -

Vayla is both far squishier, yet far tankier, in completely different ways. She lacks the massive AoE of death that SOL has (which could easily one-shot any member of the party), but makes up for it with a crap ton of temporal illusions and tricks that plentifully work on Aria entities, alongside clones and skill in assassination-based battling.

I can't say much about how it would go, until I know how the five of them would plan and approach the battle.
 
Moritzva said:
So, while he can't really resist time stop
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He can though

Even if he has yet to experience it he can still refine while it's going down, and he has a lot more power over them.

One of the major things that would screw with trying to dodge him is that he can fire a massive amount of lasers, bend them all with gravity to always lock onto their target, on top of his ability to cover the whole area in darkness and have restraints come from the very shadows in all directions

... Of course said tactic has never actually caught anyone in canon but consider it was pulled on people like Aucta who are already many many stat points faster and have the speed buff Aurament
 
Couldn't SOL divert or absorb his lasers and erase his darkness with her light attacks?

Also I forgot to answer the question about how potent her radiation is. It's powerful enough to quickly induce radiolysis and dissolve large quantities of matter. It's a lot more powerful than ordinary cosmic radiation, even above the radiation a supernova or nuke would emit at ground zero.
 
Not if time is

... wait SOL also resists timestop

h
 
I said that copying Yomi's stuff is a bad idea because that's like trying to copy Warp Daemon Physiology.

And with roughly the same effects.
 
I post extensively on this, but -

I'm... actually not sure if SOL's timestop resistance is good enough? Presumably she has had time to evolve and improve to it, so maybe, but Vayla deeefinitely doesn't know how to just let other people move during stopped time.

Lasers are useful, but if it hasn't ever worked in canon, why work here? More importantly, what does work in canon? As for resisting time stop, there's a decent layer of tiering in The Boon of Souls regarding resistance, and I don't think a fresh & new Gal can walk through it resistance-wise, especially when it doesn't really care for AP.
 
I dunno, I just know Aucta is somehow fast enough to not be hit by lasers and darkness surrounding him from every single direction
 
Anything else he can toss?

(Might be best to discuss what the planning strategy would be here - each member fighting as an independent, uncoordinated unit may not go well.)
 
Not really because I dunno if Nigredo is smurf hax or not
 
What does Nigredo do?
 
Well, okay, I should clarify

Nigredo is just what Vlad calls Chaos because... she's Vlad

We haven't really explored what it can do since Gal literally just got it then went into a coma, but depending on how things pan out he might be able to do things like tear open portals to the abyss or other fancy tricks

Either way I'm folding my cards here
 
Phone A Friend (Fate) on what it can do?
 
Yomi, capability wise, effectively packs the arsenal of the match prior though with the addition of Mystic Shields for greater leverage in his survivability. With a year at disposal, mans will likely prove reconnaissance to check down the heat S&M S&V carry prior to the conflict to prep up biologically to aptly dampen blows, or cast more physical illusions with his body(ies) mid combat.

Alongside the likelihood of further gaining on their behavior mutually for the emotional exploitation of both, paired with Yomishka's existent abilities that can capitalize on such. I.E: Chaos Bolts to Magic to Shapeshifting. Team wise in relation to Tset, Sword Logic farming could be a viability with a stint into Gehenna via portal though proves risky with the variability of the environment.

Collaboration can occur between himself and Fate-verse crew to device more potent magicks and stratagems as Yomishka's snooping progresses throughout the year.
 
Oh yea, Akuma! How do the mystic shields work again?

I kinda forgot.

As for emotional manipulation... It'll be monstrously less effective on Alice now, given a better mental state, but she's still dramatic and emotional because, let's be honest, of course she is.

Vayla is a bit difficult on that regard. What would be a stance to take with her, prep-wise?
 
...I don't want to reveal what Nigredo/Chaos on Gal's hand does yet for plot tension's sake, as he just got that power up.

If Yomishka can come up with something that gets rid of Eve's fast stamina waste ~ low stamina problem that would help her a lot.

As her intelligence section notes, Veola is a perfect eidetiker so she could learn quite a lot given a year of prep and duplicates for multiplying that learning experience.

Also while we're drawing attention to Hellfire and Samsara, I'll mention Anti-White Rabbit as being a Unique Art that can help them gain a lot of ground if she gets to use it before being blasted away by something like one of SOL's blasts or Vayla's strikes, both of which I'm assuming can get past her regen.

...Also in this key she has a nasty habit of casting Sentence to Hell (which isn't as tiresome) early on, of which a part states: "Sentence to Hell", which banishes a target's very essence to the depths of hell. If this somehow fails, there is still a second step to the curse that attempts to sent the victim down in flesh as well, where they just end up devoured by the monsters below or fighting the sinners and youkai for eternity. If the target somehow survives this, the curse sends all their belongings to hell instead, provided they don't prevent it somehow.

...So she could kind of banish all their equipment to the depths of hell (which yes, would include SOL's Solar Drive) unless the equipments themselves (not the user) have been priorly infused with some heavy manner of BFR protection/Curse resistance which is active at the time the curse is cast.
 
Also as CC and DO gameplay has shown, Curses have no "travelling" or "pathways", they just auto-hit/need to be resisted so in that sense it's worse.

...All things considered and from what I'm seeing, Eve is kind of a Glass Cannon for the team. She has the potential to do some nasty or crippling damage with her hax... Assuming she doesn't fall early on to stamina matters or just being blasted by superior firepower to what she can endure.
 
SOL's AP is enough to easily blow anyone apart past their regen, Vayla will have to claim their soul but will probably do fine enough.

If SOL's Absolute Barriers don't protect the Drive at all, that's going to really ******* suck for her. Vayla will probably be fine, given that her method of 'pocket dimension' includes BFRing and erasing them from existence, only to bring them back.

...I think, what we should discuss, is what the 5's main strategy will be. Who would they go for first? Any notable preparations? How would the battle, at least from the start, lay out?
 
Considering EQ had to manually bash her absolute barrier apart to finally tear out their heart and thereby Solar Drive, they should be fine in that regard
 
Well, there should be two problems with that.

First one being it takes into account the item's resistance, not whatever much the user puts in the way. That gets ignored like the curse is saying "Yes you have a billion barriers but I'm not looking at you." hence why Energeia infusion is a thing in verse. You extend your own properties so the item/equipment has it as well hence when it's targetted it can "resist" on the same level as any defenses the users themselves may cast.

Unless the item itself has/is given the same properties as the barrier through some action, anything put in between the curse and it won't be even taken into account for the curse, as there's no "in-between".

Assuming the first problem is something that can be dealt with, the second, bigger problem is that if Eve throws Samsara along with it I'm fairly sure it bypasses Absolute Barriers at this point in the story given alternate planes + influence of hell (of which there are countless to endless of) shenanigans.
 
...Prep time wise she would likely go to the group in general and start informing them of her overall skillset for starters. Then she would mention Samsara being her trump card so that they may come up with the best way to use it.

She's not extremely prep time oriented so planning wise she would leave it to the specialists and mostly go along with it.
 
The Drive does shield itself but would power down if it wasn't connected to SOL's soul.
 
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks "Well, if the user resists it, why not the item?"

I thought I was totally alone in that concept.

I imagine that her magical skill could help, given that Eileen's technological skill can only go so far, especially against the far more magical effects the two of them possess.
 
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MooksAteMyEquipment

Well, if a Universal Buster holds an absolutely normal knife, that doesn't suddenly make the knife itself able to split the Universe without the user doing something to it.

...That said I concede in the Drive having a resistance of its own to being yeeted, then.

How much info about what they resist and what they don't can the group get over this year's course? Because if Veola figures her stuff gets normally all resisted, she'll just classify the battle as an immediate "Do or die", take the gloves off and pull Samsara or her Unique Art as the literal first thing at which point we're now in a EWTRW situatio.
 
I still dunno what Eileen brings to the table and may want to hear more about Yomishka and how he factors in this.
 
Eve and Yomishka seem to be the most magically skilled, so they'd have to figure out the magical resistances.
 
FateAlbane said:
Well, if a Universal Buster holds an absolutely normal knife, that doesn't suddenly make the knife itself able to split the Universe without the user doing something to it.
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That just means the knife is weak
 
For Eileen, of course she'd stay in the background and begin working on something in order to counter SOL and Vayla. Assuming Tset copies her powers, she'd pull him in to be her errand boy and gather a lot of garbage help her to build some hyper advanced technology with the sole purpose of taking down SOL and Vayla. A year would allow an impressive amount of time for this, especially when you have two people with the same "machines get more advanced" effect coming from two people instead of one.

Assuming I can take verse equalization this far, I imagine Eileen would be spending much of her time studying the fundamentals of magic (which is similar enough between Starcross and the Consortium; coming from the soul) when she isn't building, and construct something to harness or destroy that power. There'd a lot trial and error, but with the time limit given and Tset (thus a second person with Eileen's ability) to help her, it's very possible that they could make something to use magic in some way to disrupt SOL and Vayla.
 
The biggest worry is that Starcross and Consortium magic, while similar in some aspects, do vary quite a bit - namely, Starcross seems to be more easily intertwined with technology and is more potent on it's own, while The Consortium goes absolutely absurdly far into the realm of eldritch magic and requires immense cultivation to get there.

Though, what do you imply by 'disrupting'?
 
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