So you're asking me to lie huh? Sorry but I'm not Sailor Cosmos (apparently).... or you...
Still waiting for you to respond to the actual argument about the standards (which I know you have a very poor understanding of, for multiple reasons)
I don't know why you cling so much to a dialogue but okay. Sailor Cosmos asks Sailor Moon to destroy the Cauldron to prevent precisely the future of the Universe by annihilating the thing that controls the life and death cycle of the stars. And she doesn't mind it all disappearing, even though Sailor Moon tells her it will all disappear and Sailor Cosmos tells her to do it anyway because she'll regret it.
None of that holds or follows from this scan
Not as suspicious as you entirely avoiding it for 4 pages while I've basically stated why it can't really be summarized any further. You've basically used any and all avoidance tactics to avoid even acknowledging it so don't you go on putting your dishonesty on me
Well, when in the next two scans they show that actually destroying the Cauldron, destroys the future. The "preserve the future of the Galaxy" thing is shown to be false.None of that holds or follows from this scan
If she doesn't mind it all disappearing (which doesn't seem to be stated here anyway) why exactly is she talking about preserving the galaxy's future?
it's not shown to be false, because it's never stated at all.
That's easily explained away by Usagi's lack of knowledge on the Cauldron (which as @Iamunanimousinthat stated, she said that because no new stars would eventually lead to the galaxy dying out) compared to Cosmos, and even then immediate destruction is still not even a concern.
And the summary
Of these, all I only really see is the second justification. If it transcends time and space, along with lacking elements, you'd get BDE Type 2. But the sole usage of the word "transcends" comes from Silver Crystals transcending space-time on some level, but at the same time those tears come from the Cauldron, so it probably counts.
I should've read more of the thread.
Does it really though, when the BDE page states that that's only viable for statements applied to the realms specifically? Not to mention 'transcending space time' in the context of the Silver Crystal is.... extremely vague to say the least since it doesn't even seem to have the range of the entire cosmology (the Cosmos crystal, for instance, has only been shown to have the range for its own universe)
Yeah that's the issue here, a structure like that ceasing to exist should IMMEDIATELY destroy the entire cosmology yet the galaxy itself will only one day no longer have the future
Objects that transcend time-space can also get BDE Type 1/2 for being above-dimensional structures. You do run into anti-feats, however, as unless you say everyone who handles those objects are also Low 1-A/1-A then they shouldn't be interactable by lower dimensional beings.
If it's just a generic "Above time and space" sure, but if they're conceptually above it, then it would count. Though going through the thread, I'm not entirely sure if the OP proved that point yet.
If the cauldron is removed and the universes cease to exist when that happens, I think a higher tier is warranted. If the cauldron being destroyed doesn't result in the universe collapsing instantly, but it decays until a new one is formed that blows a hole through one of the main supporting items of the suggested tier.
You also might wanna read this, I highlighted some issues here
Sure, but the part about outright statement still only applies to the realms themselves according to the page unless I missed something?
Yeah, there's the issue. Not everyone who handles it is Low 1-A, and also at least two Silver crystals seem to exist, one in the future and one in the past
OP didn't, there is 0 mention of transcending space-time conceptually or lacking the concept of space, time and dimensionality entirely, which is what I told OP as well
Not stated. It's stated that a new one pops up, no mention of regeneration whatsoever unless you prove it with a statement
Yeah no, it took the combined power of all Sailor crystals even outside the Cauldron, the same crystals that are mere fragments of it
And therein lies the issue, not even the galaxy, let alone the rest of the cosmology, is implied to be instantly nuked anywhere
The sailor crystals are created by the Cauldron, and Sailor Moon called them out from the cauldron. What you are stating is false.
Is that why its destruction would ONE DAY lead to the ruin of the galaxy?
So you admit non-Low 1-A items can significantly affect it. Okay. When are you closing the CRT?
The power the crystals have comes from the cauldron, lower beings can affect higher beings if they are using the power of the higher realm. Also, for Low 1-A, this isn't applicable because it's still quantitative. Only 1-A is qualitative.
I have already explained this and you keep going back to this even though it's been repeated how many times. See here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-galaxy-cauldron-high-1a-upgrade.181002/post-7162402
Yeah no, you haven't proven or argued that all those objects are Low 1-A or even higher dimensional. Also, you dug yourself into a hole here. If all the crystals are Low 1-A objects how do you explain lower dimensional, normal beings being able to freely interact with them??
You've explained nothing here. The entire verse is screaming at you, telling you that the Cauldron's destruction won't even immediately collapse the galaxy yet you refuse to listen
I’m aware you changed your stance, but I’m confused on how “transcending space and time” within the context of the future and past grants anything. In this scan I have linked the raws. You can translate it real quick, and you’ll see the context of transcending space and time is literally referring to the future and past. Time travel shouldn’t have any bearing on tiering upgrades, so it should be important to highlight how time and space is being transcended here.
If the objects in question transcend space-time in the context of lacking it entirely I could see how that could be BDE type 1/2, but that statement in question should not be enough to count since it’s literally in the context of time travel. That space-time corridor scan about them lacking the concept of distance is unrelated to the cauldron (even then there’s some context missing about that, but I won’t delve deep into that unless asked).
Yeah, at five pages it's getting long enough that a lot of new people would struggle to keep up.
It doesn't. But at the same time I also explained my stance here
If it's above a timeline or time travel, that's not the same as conceptual transcendence.
I have asked hades several times to make a summary and he has said no.
Bingo. @Iamunanimousinthat Here you go.
Nah I'll do it for Qawsedf, I just didn't wanna do it for you because I'm not doing additional labor for someone who refuses to even acknowledge that my message exists and resorted to being dishonest
You actually have to prove this. Post evidence please.
Are you f**king kidding here? Genuinely? YOU are the one who has to PROVE that it is CONCEPTUAL TRANSCENDENCE OVER SPACE TIME to get the rating that YOU are proposing NOT ME!
They are posting the raw, because the official english scan which has been proven to be accurate doesn't mention anything they are saying. In fact in the very seen, it is stated that the silver crystal can create a paradox that will destroy all of reality.
?????This is untrue. Also the translation, uses surpassing which aligns with what the DBE page says.
Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)
Could someone translate these ?🙏 I'm looking for the words: essence, foundation or fundamental 「主のお傍にと望むのは当然のこと。我等の根幹たる想念も、そこに尽きます」 (我等の根幹たる想念 Warera no konkan taru sonen) = Our fundamental/foundational ideas/conceptions (根幹 Konkan) = A foundation, fundaments or basis (想念 Sonen) =...vsbattles.com
Threats like this are a very aggressive way to act.
