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[MeiouHades]

Also I have no choice but to do this, since you keep ignoring my actual argument for god knows what reason.

Right, and I pointed out the problems with it.

That's on you to prove that it is talking about all of space-time/all of the cosmology, it isn't my burden to prove a negative. Unless you're saying that all of the cosmology is a single space-time which can't be true.

Yeah, that seems to be more of an anti-feat for the corridor itself rather than evidence of its range or superiority. Lighting up a realm that literally acts as a connection between different parts of a cosmology is entirely different to influencing the entire cosmology (also do I really need to tell you that lighting up =/= transcendence?). That only works though if the space-time corridor itself is superior to the rest of the cosmology which I don't really see you arguing here. You've reiterated multiple times that it is simply used to traverse the cosmology using the space-time key and coordinates. The layers of time stuff I'm possibly misunderstanding here, so could you provide more info on why that's relevant here?

Right, and including all that I've said above already, I also mentioned that transcendence doesn't usually mean much as far as achieving complete, qualitative superiority goes. The fact is, it being stated to be a literal galactic center (with all the implications that come with it, which I've highlighted in my previous post) is already a huge anti-feat against it, not to mention all the willy-nilly travel to and from it. I have yet to see a reason why you believe that it should qualify for Ontological superiority.

I'm not debating transcendence, I'm debating the claim of its complete Ontological superiority to all of reality. You do understand that simply lacking space and time isn't the same as that right? You have to prove its complete, unequivocal superiority to it, and one of the most basic ways you'd even begin doing that is proving unambiguously that it truly transcends the entire cosmology which you haven't done. And as I said you've in no way proven its 'vastness' either, in fact you didn't counter my objections regarding its size which makes me doubt this line of scaling that much more.

Right, unfortunately unless you can also unequivocally prove that 'cosmos' here is referring to the entire cosmology here (including the Corridor), this doesn't really help your case.

I feel like you're truly underestimating and misunderstanding what it means and what it takes to achieve qualitatively superiority to something. You do understand the anti-feats basically make it impossible, right? It's not as simple as simply showing that a realm predates matter and a space-time or is the source of an object stated to 'transcend space-time'. So yeah, I've become even more unconvinced of this argument than I was before, so unless you can prove superiority/transcendence to all of the cosmology, it's a complete non-starter without it. I don't even have to go into any anti-feats (besides the size, and even that is because you mentioned it) yet because of this.

Also this part specifically irks me.

"Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power."

You may ask where this is from, this is actually from the BDE Type 1 section. The statement you gave, lacking spatiotemporal features as your own statement states, is just BDE Type 1 at best. This also explains the extensive evidence you gave for its acausal nature, from the very next part of the section:

"Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality"
As I said, acausality doesn't help your case here anyway and is explained away by this.

Now, onto BDE Type 2 itself. Here's what the section starts with:

"Characters who exceed dimensionality, which may occur in the following ways"

As you can probably infer by yourself, lacking something is patently NOT the same as exceeding it or being entirely superior to it.

We can forget the first way to achieve it via a Von Neumann universe since that's not what you're arguing and focus on the second part instead.

"Through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (As in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is not reachable by lower states of existence."

This is the part where you haven't done the work unfortunately, especially given the sheer lack of relevant scans to support this. This claim of mine (of proving superiority to all of space-time, etc) isn't out of thin air as the very next section would show:

"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."

And there it is.... the exact thing you haven't done here. Not only do I see no statement of being "above all dimensions" (in this context, all mathematical dimensions and such, so no the Tau Star System alone isn't enough proof), you have also NOT posted a statement or proven anything that indicates being above "All of space and time" like the standard itself states. So yeah, this is why your "direct" statements aren't enough for me, because they simply don't follow the standard that you claim they do

Also, thinking more on it. There's actually not even a single statement of the Cauldron itself either transcending all of space time or being above all dimensions. you just stated that it does simply because it created the star seed for the Tau Star System and the crystal that supposedly transcends space-time, no evidence of such a statement for the realm itself among other things. Are you sure this isn't just a verse-specific creation mechanic, because that's exactly what it looks like to me especially given the size problems that are already an anti-feat on their own.

These are my arguments that @Iamunanimousinthat has simply refused to acknowledge much less address.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I didn't, I directly read off of the scan Robo posted.

"For the galaxy's future."

"Chaos and the Cauldron are the source of your all enemies"

"You must use the last of your power and destroy them, and end the fighting for good!"

You really can't tell what this means?

Enough. You are straight up lying at this point and even contradicting your own statements.

You know you’re being dishonest and taking the scans out of context.

 

[MeiouHades]

Enough. You are straight up lying at this point and even contradicting your own statements.

You know you’re being dishonest and taking the scans out of context.

Okay, what's the context then behind those lines? What future does the galaxy or the universe have if the Cauldron is nuked? And no I'm not contradicting my claim of nuking galaxy = nuking Cauldron I'm just raising more questions about an additional scan

 

[MeiouHades]

Also something else I just realized, we talked about how nuking the Cauldron would eventually lead to the galaxy's death, which itself leads to a new Cauldron springing up. This effectively means that she believes a new Cauldron will NOT spring up immediately as was previously claimed but rather "one day" when the galaxy itself is destroyed as a result (her lack of knowledge of the cosmos seed doesn't disprove this line of reasoning, before you point it out).

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

@MeiouHades makes sense to me ,
I disagree with the thread

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

@MeiouHades makes sense to me ,
I disagree with the thread

Which ones because hades has posted straight up falsehoods?

 

[MeiouHades]

Which ones because hades has posted straight up falsehoods?

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Tell me how any of these are 'falsehoods' as you claim. You sure you don't want this moved to Fun and Games?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

believes a new Cauldron will NOT spring up immediately as was previously claimed

Another lie. No where did I say the cauldron would immediately reform.

Post scans or quote tweet me. You keep making up stuff and then arguing against the stuff you made up.

 

[MeiouHades]

Another lie. No where did I say the cauldron would immediately reform.

For the love of all that is holy and unholy.... I never state that YOU said it. Okay? NEVER! I state, "AS WAS CLAIMED PREVIOUSLY" not by you but others who were supporting your argument. For god's sake read your own god damn thread for once!!

Post scans or quote tweet me. You keep making up stuff and then arguing against the stuff you made up.

I'm neither making anything up nor arguing against it, what I have done though is pose multiple questions after reading some scans posted and asked you to explain them which you've refused, just like you've refused to acknowledge that this exists:

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[Iamunanimousinthat]

For the love of all that is holy and unholy.... I never state that YOU said it. Okay? NEVER! I state, "AS WAS CLAIMED PREVIOUSLY" not by you but others who were supporting your argument. For god's sake read your own god damn thread for once!!

Another lie. No one made this claim. Quote it.

 

[MeiouHades]

Another lie. No one made this claim. Quote it.

The Galaxy Cauldron: High 1A+ Upgrade

I have marked you down for disagree and I am ending my responses to you. You are obviously not acting in good faith and I am not wasting my time. If you don't know the basic facts of sailor moon and refuse to actually read the scans provided, then don't comment on a higher tier thread where...

vsbattles.com

"The spring into existence part supports the fact that its a fundamental structure of the universe no?
The scan is describing its importance not that its weak"

I interpreted it that way, since if the Cauldron is fundamental to the structure of the universe (or the whole cosmology) then it must not cease to exist even momentarily. The fact that the universe can apparently survive without it, even for a bit, puts a dent into the claim above. This is what I read. Now you can disagree with this and tell me my interpretation of his message was wrong, sure I guess (even though I'd argue that's a reasonable interpretation), but to call it a falsehood while you've been ignoring my actual points for 3+ pages despite me asking you to address them every single time while accusing ME of bad faith? Who do you believe you're fooling?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

The Galaxy Cauldron: High 1A+ Upgrade

I have marked you down for disagree and I am ending my responses to you. You are obviously not acting in good faith and I am not wasting my time. If you don't know the basic facts of sailor moon and refuse to actually read the scans provided, then don't comment on a higher tier thread where...

vsbattles.com

"The spring into existence part supports the fact that its a fundamental structure of the universe no?
The scan is describing its importance not that its weak"

I interpreted it that way

So you lied or at the very least are bad at interpretation.

nce if the Cauldron is fundamental to the structure of the universe (or the whole cosmology) then it must not cease to exist even momentarily. The fact that the universe can apparently survive without it, even for a bit, puts a dent into the claim above.

This is absurd. The scan YOU posted, clearly states that the galaxy will die without the cauldron. If you shoot someone and they don't die immediately but die later as a result of a gun shot, that does not mean they didn't die because of the gunshot.

Also, I have explained to the situation with Cosmos Seed which you agreed was legitimate*, but now you keep forgetting to mention that.

*

If the site accepts this then I suppose that's fine but I personally believe you should have a statement for it.

Also:

you've been ignoring my actual points for 3+ pages

Your points were all over the place. If it makes you happy, summarize your points for the mods, and I'll address them once and for all.

 

[MeiouHades]

So you lied or at the very least are bad at interpretation

And then you tell me I am accusing you.

This is absurd. The scan YOU posted, clearly states that the galaxy will die without the cauldron. If you shoot someone and they don't die immediately but die later as a result of a gun shot, that does not mean they didn't die because of the gunshot.

Sure, it'll die one day, and when it does a new Cauldron will pop up somewhere else. What's even more confusing though is Robo's scan which seems to imply that the galaxy's future (and by extension, the galaxy itself and probably the universe itself) can somehow still be preserved even if the Cauldron (and Chaos who merged with it) is destroyed, further adding doubt to the assertion of the Cauldron's importance as fundamental to the universe's structure

Also, I have explained to the situation with Cosmos Seed which you agreed was legitimate*, but now you keep forgetting to mention that.
*
Also:

I did bring that up, not only that but I also said it'd be irrelevant here. If you can't tell why, let me help a little. By now she SHOULD know that the Cauldron is fundamental to the structure of the universe (that is, if it actually is, at all), however the fact that the claim and implication made repeatedly is that it's possible for the galaxy or even the universe to survive the cessation of its existence (even for a bit, though the galaxy's future scan implies it can do so indefinitely but I digress) puts into question entirely not only the nature but the fundamentality of the Cauldron and by extension the rating you propose for it. If however this is only due to the destruction of the Cosmos seed, then that distinction must be made immediately. It's the destruction of the cosmos seed that threatens the universe not the destruction of the Cauldron

Your points were all over the place. If it makes you happy, summarize your points for the mods, and I'll address them once and for all.

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This is all you need to know

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

By now she SHOULD know that the Cauldron is fundamental to the structure of the universe (that is, if it actually is, at all), however the fact that the claim and implication made repeatedly is that it's possible for the galaxy or even the universe to survive the cessation of its existence (even for a bit, though the galaxy's future scan implies it can do so indefinitely but I digress) puts into question entirely not only the nature but the fundamentality of the Cauldron and by extension the rating you propose for it.

How can you claim that the universe will survive the destruction of the cauldron and then in the next sentence agree that the universe will die if the cauldron is destroyed:

Sure, it'll die one day,

You are contradicting yourself.

I did bring that up, not only that but I also said it'd be irrelevant here. I

How is it irrelevant when you agreed that this was accepted on the wiki:

The Cauldron has the cosmos seed.
If the Cosmos seed is destroyed, the cosmos will be immediately destroyed because the destruction of the seed immediately destroys the form, as shown directly in the series.

This is all you need to know

If you don't want to create a summary so be it.

 

[MeiouHades]

How can you claim that the universe will survive the destruction of the cauldron and then in the next sentence agree that the universe will die if the cauldron is destroyed:

Now this is a lie. Read your own message, it talks about the death of the galaxy to which I said "sure it'll die one day". But then Robo posts a scan that makes it even weirder that talks about how the galaxy's future can be still preserved despite the destruction of the Cauldron. The point here isn't whether it'll die or not the point here is to question the fundamentality and the nature of the Cauldron, which has been done by attacking it from both fronts both in the cases of either the galaxy dying or surviving and having a future.

You are contradicting yourself.

No you just forgot how to read momentarily.

How is it irrelevant when you agreed that this was accepted on the wiki:

The Cauldron has the cosmos seed.
If the Cosmos seed is destroyed, the cosmos will be immediately destroyed because the destruction of the seed immediately destroys the form, as shown directly in the series.

Right, so really it's the destruction of the Cosmos seed that'll lead to the destruction of the cosmos, not the Cauldron itself since the series goes out of its way to make that clear multiple times despite Usagi by now being aware of its nature (barring the existence of the Cosmos seed). Once again fueling doubt about its fundamentality as well as its nature, which was my point.

If you don't want to create a summary so be it.

That IS a summary, which not only do you refuse to counter (and didn't even acknowledge for the past 3+ pages) but outright dismiss it. How exactly do you want me to 'summarize' it further?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Right, so really it's the destruction of the Cosmos seed that'll lead to the destruction of the cosmos, not the Cauldron itself since the series goes out of its way to make that clear multiple times despite Usagi by now being aware of its nature (barring the existence of the Cosmos seed). Once again fueling doubt about its fundamentality as well as its nature, which was my point.

The Cosmos seed is inside the Cauldron and the Cauldron created the Cosmos seed. So you agree, if the cauldron is destroyed, the cosmos will be destroyed?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

That IS a summary, which not only do you refuse to counter (and didn't even acknowledge for the past 3+ pages) but outright dismiss it. How exactly do you want me to 'summarize' it further?

I can't quote tweet quotes and the original posts are mess. Either make a summary or I'm moving on.

 

[MeiouHades]

The Cosmos seed is inside the Cauldron and the Cauldron created the Cosmos seed. So you agree, if the cauldron is destroyed, the cosmos will be destroyed?

No I don't and the scans posted prior prove exactly the opposite. I've taken away two things:

1.) If the Cauldron is destroyed, then the galaxy will "one day" die out (causing a new Cauldron to spring up later, which keep in mind there's no mention of it "regenerating" but rather an entirely new one altogether unlike a previous claim).
2.) The galaxy's future (and subsequently its existence) can be preserved despite the destruction of the Cauldron (and Chaos who had merged with it) likely for an indefinitely long period (this is an assumption, but not worth debating really).

Given all of this, and despite the characters being by now aware of its importance even without the knowledge of the cosmos seed, should tell you that the Cauldron is not the fundamental structure you seem to think it is.

Now onto the Cosmos seed, you're making a motte and bailey fallacy. What's true is that the destruction of the Cosmos seed will end the universe, what isn't true (especially given above) is that the destruction of the Cauldron itself is what'll end the universe. In other words, it's a chain reaction that isn't even triggered by the destruction of the Cauldron but rather the destruction of a specific object that it contains. In other words if the Cosmos seed wasn't in the Cauldron, its destruction may as well have been inconsequential given the points above which the series itself tells us.

 

[MeiouHades]

I can't quote tweet quotes and the original posts are mess. Either make a summary or I'm moving on.

I'm sorry what....? You can't quote my exact messages? And that IS a summary. I also find it interesting how you're now asking me to summarize them (which I already have) now when you still haven't responded to or contested them like you should have. Normally a summary must only be made when the debate has reached some conclusion, which it hasn't since you've been ignoring it for the past 3 pages

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Now onto the Cosmos seed, you're making a motte and bailey fallacy. What's true is that the destruction of the Cosmos seed will end the universe, what isn't true (especially given above) is that the destruction of the Cauldron itself is what'll end the universe. In other words, it's a chain reaction that isn't even triggered by the destruction of the Cauldron but rather the destruction of a specific object that it contains. In other words if the Cosmos seed wasn't in the Cauldron, its destruction may as well have been inconsequential given the points above which the series itself tells us.

Are you saying the Cosmos crystal is what’s fundamental?

 

[MeiouHades]

Are you saying the Cosmos crystal is what’s fundamental?

Fundamental to ensuring the universe doesn't get nuked? Sure.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Fundamental to ensuring the universe doesn't get nuked? Sure.

And what created and houses the cosmos seed?

 

[MeiouHades]

And what created and houses the cosmos seed?

The structure whose destruction has been implied multiple times to be almost inconsequential to being an immediate threat

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

The structure that starts with a C whose destruction has been implied multiple times to be almost inconsequential to being an immediate threat

lmao. I can’t. Okay, the cauldron is inconsequential even though it creates everything that’s consequential and its destruction would destroy everything thats consequential.

Also, post a summary. I already responded to your first post, and i responded to multiple others. The summaries you posted can’t be quoted tweeted if they are in quote format. And I am not going back to the original posts because they are a jumbled up mess. This is the last time I am asking for this.

 

[MeiouHades]

lmao. I can’t. Okay, the cauldron is inconsequential even though it creates everything that’s consequential and its destruction would destroy everything thats consequential.

No, its destruction wouldn't. The destruction of the Cosmos crystal would. Right in a panel earlier its destruction was being referred to as a way to preserve the galaxy's future (without the knowledge of the Cosmos seed). Do you really not see the difference between these two things?

Also, post a summary. I already responded to your first post, and i responded to multiple others. The summaries you posted can’t be quoted tweeted if they are in quote format. And I am not going back to the original posts because they are a jumbled up mess. This is the last time I am asking for this.

???

Also this part specifically irks me.

"Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power."

You may ask where this is from, this is actually from the BDE Type 1 section. The statement you gave, lacking spatiotemporal features as your own statement states, is just BDE Type 1 at best. This also explains the extensive evidence you gave for its acausal nature, from the very next part of the section:

"Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality"
As I said, acausality doesn't help your case here anyway and is explained away by this.

Now, onto BDE Type 2 itself. Here's what the section starts with:

"Characters who exceed dimensionality, which may occur in the following ways"

As you can probably infer by yourself, lacking something is patently NOT the same as exceeding it or being entirely superior to it.

We can forget the first way to achieve it via a Von Neumann universe since that's not what you're arguing and focus on the second part instead.

"Through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (As in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is not reachable by lower states of existence."

This is the part where you haven't done the work unfortunately, especially given the sheer lack of relevant scans to support this. This claim of mine (of proving superiority to all of space-time, etc) isn't out of thin air as the very next section would show:

"As a default, statements of being "above dimensions" are set at Low 1-A, and the same is applied to statements indicating superiority over "All of space and time," and similar."

Are you seriously saying

And there it is.... the exact thing you haven't done here. Not only do I see no statement of being "above all dimensions" (in this context, all mathematical dimensions and such, so no the Tau Star System alone isn't enough proof), you have also NOT posted a statement or proven anything that indicates being above "All of space and time" like the standard itself states. So yeah, this is why your "direct" statements aren't enough for me, because they simply don't follow the standard that you claim they do

That you can't do this???

Also, thinking more on it. There's actually not even a single statement of the Cauldron itself either transcending all of space time or being above all dimensions. you just stated that it does simply because it created the star seed for the Tau Star System and the crystal that supposedly transcends space-time, no evidence of such a statement for the realm itself among other things. Are you sure this isn't just a verse-specific creation mechanic, because that's exactly what it looks like to me especially given the size problems that are already an anti-feat on their own.

And I am not going back to the original posts because they are a jumbled up mess.

Hard to buy that when you've basically responded to all of my comments but that, even comments that I myself admitted were largely irrelevant and pointless yet you still respond to the least important of the "jumbled mess" instead of the actual important stuff. Yeah I'm sorry but the only thing you've managed to convince me of here is that you're not a serious debater by any stretch of the definition.

 

[MeiouHades]

Also, this is starting to annoy me so I'm gonna deliver the finishing blow and end your "BUT THE COSMOS CRYSTAL!!!!!!" argument entirely. Get ready.

It was Sailor Cosmos, who by all means herself is aware of the Cosmos Crystal, that went back in time to correct her OWN mistake of not destroying the Cauldron to stop Chaos and wanted to have Usagi do it this time. She knew of everything, unlike Usagi, and STILL wanted the Cauldron destroyed in order to preserve the galaxy and everything else so much so that she traveled back in time for it and disguised herself.

Given this little piece of information, your argument about the cosmos crystal being tied to the Cauldron leading to the destruction of the universe is effectively null and void since the series itself does not back you up in any shape or form so.....

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

It was Sailor Cosmos, who by all means herself is aware of the Cosmos Crystal, that went back in time to correct her OWN mistake of not destroying the Cauldron to stop Chaos and wanted to have Usagi do it this time. She knew of everything, unlike Usagi, and STILL wanted the Cauldron destroyed in order to preserve the galaxy and everything else so much so that she traveled back in time for it and disguised herself.

1. You’re confusing the cosmos crystal and the cosmos seed. Two different things.

2. Sailor Cosmos is depressed after the lost of all her love ones and the constant war with Sailor Chaos. Her whole plot point is that she regretted her decision and wanted to change it. What’s your point and why does it matter for this thread?

 

[MeiouHades]

1. You’re confusing the cosmos crystal and the cosmos seed. Two different things.

I'm pretty sure it's stated that seeds are just newborn crystals that go on to mature into actual crystals when they reach their home planets

2. Sailor Cosmos is depressed after the lost of all her love ones and the constant war with Sailor Chaos. Her whole plot point is that she regretted her decision and wanted to change it. What’s your point and why does it matter for this thread?

It matters because she herself would be aware of the cosmos seed residing in the Cauldron and despite that she suggested its destruction. Now, unless you think that she's just so depressed to the point that she's actually suicidal and is willing to let the universe be destroyed (presumably caused by the destruction of the Cauldron), the implication is very clear here.

 

[AsterReal]

I'm pretty sure it's stated that seeds are just younger crystals that go on to mature into actual crystals.

No. This is incorrect, Sailor Crystals are separate and distinct Star Seeds, Star Seeds do not mature into Sailor Crystals. Only Sailor Crystals that are born from the Cauldron and travel to a planet to develop with it, mature in a sense.

Common or "human" Starseeds are separate Starseeds that are what planets, living beings and other beings possess. Sailor Galaxia even explains that they are two separate things, as it states that "Sailor Senshis in the Solar System cling to human Star Seeds despite carrying invincible Sailor Crystals."

 

[MeiouHades]

No. This is incorrect, Sailor Crystals are separate and distinct Star Seeds, Star Seeds do not mature into Sailor Crystals. Only Sailor Crystals that are born from the Cauldron and travel to a planet to develop with it, mature in a sense.

Common or "human" Starseeds are separate Starseeds that are what planets, living beings and other beings possess. Sailor Galaxia even explains that they are two separate things, as it states that "Sailor Senshis in the Solar System cling to human Star Seeds despite carrying invincible Sailor Crystals."

All of this Cosmos herself would be aware of and yet she still suggests the destruction of the Cauldron....

 

[AsterReal]

I'm pretty sure it's stated that seeds are just newborn crystals that go on to mature into actual crystals when they reach their home planets

This specific scan is talking about the Sailor Crystals that were regenerated by the lambda power being born again and returning to their planets, it is not talking about the Sailor Crystals, as "maturation of common Starseeds", it refers to the Sailor Senshis' Sailor Crystals that were dissolved in the Cauldron.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I'm pretty sure it's stated that seeds are just newborn crystals that go on to mature into actual crystals when they reach their home planets

The cosmos crystal has to be made and it was made outside the cauldron and unmade before moon got back into the cauldron.

More misinformation.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

matters because she herself would be aware of the cosmos seed residing in the Cauldron and despite that she suggested its destruction. Now, unless you think that she's just so depressed to the point that she's actually suicidal and is willing to let the universe be destroyed (presumably caused by the destruction of the Cauldron), the implication is very clear here.

That’s the whole point of the ending. Moon tells her not to give up hope and to embrace it all, dark and light, love and hate, peace and war.

Stop trying to argue about a verse you don’t know anything about.

 

[MeiouHades]

The cosmos crystal has to be made and it was made outside the cauldron and unmade before moon got back into the cauldron.

More misinformation.

That’s the whole point of the ending. Moon tells her not to give up hope and to embrace it all, dark and light, love and hate, peace and war.

Stop trying to argue about a verse you don’t know anything about.

???? The scan Robo posted LITERALLY SAYS that the galaxy's future would be preserved if the destruction of the Cauldron happens. According to you, Cosmos is basically lying to everyone because she's suicidal and leading them to believe it'll all be okay if they destroy the Cauldron when it is supposed to destroy the universe. Are you sure I'm the one who knows nothing about it?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

???? The scan Robo posted LITERALLY SAYS that the galaxy's future would be preserved if the destruction of the Cauldron happens. According to you, Cosmos is basically lying to everyone because she's suicidal and leading them to believe it'll all be okay if they destroy the Cauldron when it is supposed to destroy the universe. Are you sure I'm the one who knows nothing about it?

Lmao. Sorry you lack reading comprehension. But cosmos is literally asking for suicide to end everything to make “peace” by their being nothing.

Sailor moon has canonically committed suicide thrice in the series. Stop talking about things you don’t know about.

This isnt new stuff.

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

High outer Sailor Moon? Bluds really want to change that Death Battle Beerus vs Galaxia outcome

 

[MeiouHades]

Lmao. Sorry you lack reading comprehension. But cosmos is literally asking for suicide to end everything to make “peace” by their being nothing.

Yeah that's called projecting. You're reading a literal statement stating the preservation of the galaxy's future as somehow nuking everything. Either she's lying or you speak a language no one here knows.

Sailor moon has canonically committed suicide thrice in the series. Stop talking about things you don’t know about.

In order to save everyone and everything. That's literally why she nukes herself in the Cauldron.

This isnt new stuff.

It isn't, you're just misleading everyone.

 

[MeiouHades]

High outer Sailor Moon? Bluds really want to change that Death Battle Beerus vs Galaxia outcome

Get out of here please. You're not gonna be helpful here.

 

[AsterReal]

Get out of here please. You're not gonna be helpful here.

I agree with that.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

In order to save everyone and everything. That's literally why she nukes herself in the Cauldron.

Not what I was referring to. Just admit you don’t know anything about the series are just making it up as you go.

It isn't, you're just misleading everyone.

Lmao. Sure.