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Does Archie Sonic scale to Chaos Emerald amped Mogul, who IIRC is 1000x Baseline Low 2-C?
The entire verse does iirc, as the early Mobians evolved alongside Mogul when he had his Emerald embedded into him and after an unknown amount of years the Mobians just evolved and usurped him lol. Iirc the Freedom Fighters and Chaotix both kinda bitch Mogul when he's without one.
 
The entire verse does iirc, as the early Mobians evolved alongside Mogul when he had his Emerald embedded into him and after an unknown amount of years the Mobians just evolved and usurped him lol. Iirc the Freedom Fighters and Chaotix both kinda bitch Mogul when he's without one.
Doesn't that kinda make him stronger than Game Sonic since he's 1000x Baseline Low 2-C and Game Sonic is "only" >>>> Baseline Low 2-C?

I mean Game Sonic has incredible AD but still.
 
Doesn't that kinda make him stronger than Game Sonic since he's 1000x Baseline Low 2-C and Game Sonic is "only" >>>> Baseline Low 2-C?

I mean Game Sonic has incredible AD but still.
sonic can grow sextilions of times in literal seconds
 
Sonic cannot grow "sextillions" in seconds. He took six months to surpass Infinite who couldn't even one shot him. Sonic can't just AD a 1000x gap in seconds
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Sonic cannot grow "sextillions" in seconds.
in sonic battle he did just that, in Sonic Generations and Forces he also did just that, altho, Classic Sonic did

He took six months to surpass Infinite who couldn't even one shot him.
infinite one shot omega in the prequel comic, who is comparable to shadow who is comparable to sonic, so yes he can

Sonic can't just AD a 1000x gap in seconds
dunno man, he has shown to be able to do so
 
in sonic battle he did just that, in Sonic Generations and Forces he also did just that, altho, Classic Sonic did
He didn't in either of those games. Neither in Battle, Gens and Forces. This is also ignoring every fight he lost in the entire series, too.
infinite one shot omega in the prequel comic, who is comparable to shadow who is comparable to sonic, so yes he can
Infinite didn't one shot Sonic while fighting with four other people. That's what happened in the game
 
I imagine the “sextillions X growth” is because of Sonic going from large star to MSS for the Emerl fight.

But idk if I’d chalk that up as AD or just story convenience.
 
He didn't in either of those games. Neither in Battle
explain ultimate Emerl losing to base Sonic then

Gens and Forces.
explain classic sonic keeping up with modern sonic then

This is also ignoring every fight he lost in the entire series, too.
not really, other chars can have similar AD to him, also also, his AD has been shown to sky rocket when he is close to someone far stronger than him, like ultimate emerl

Infinite didn't one shot Sonic while fighting with four other people. That's what happened in the game
yeah, because wanted him to stay alive so that he could show sonic his world conquer and torture him
 
explain ultimate Emerl losing to base Sonic then
Sonic was already on his level because he was holding back the entire game.
explain classic sonic keeping up with modern sonic then
Only Forces classic scales to modern, which wouldn't mean much.
yeah, because wanted him to stay alive so that he could show sonic his world conquer and torture him
He could still one shot him if he was septillions times stronger.

Sonic's AD isn't that busted. How is it possible he loses to Shadow with Diablon's help in the alt endings? And giving every character AD to justify the wank is cheap and circular.
 
Sonic was already on his level because he was holding back the entire game.
Sonic litterally said thr oposite once he fought 7 emeralds emerl alongside shadow

Only Forces classic scales to modern, which wouldn't mean much.
In generations he keept up both AP wise and speed wise with modern

He could still one shot him if he was septillions times stronger.
Point being?

Sonic's AD isn't that busted. How is it possible he loses to Shadow with Diablon's help in the alt endings? And giving every character AD to justify the wank is cheap and circular.
Sonic grows that much in the pressence of someone much stronger than him, that is what we have saw, besides, power is not everything in a fight
 

Time 54:00 "no holding back"


......are you serious? Have you read the profiles?
Also the final boss battle
Also not from gens but

Do you want me to prove that power is not everything in a fight? Besides, for the AD stuff, that is the pattern we have saw, be it with ultimate emerl, classic in both gens and forces, and moder. With forces against the death egg robot
 
Archie:

+ Experience (as the core Mobian within the Freedom Fighters, Archie has the expertise of fighting just as many varied opponents as his Game counterpart terms of combat from being on the front-lines against the majority of their foes)

+ Passive Damage Reduction (Archie has this thanks to all the Power Rings he gathered, making him inherently tougher to put down and a glutton for punishment)

+ Power Rings (With these, Archie can Stat Amp himself and has BFR with a range beyond away Game would be able to come back from, as he has 3 2-A structures [base multiverse, Mega Man's multiverse, Maginaryworld] and then actual Low 1-C range as well. This is the most potent option Archie could actually lean into quickly)

++ Fate Manipulation (Archie's most potent passive, preventing permanent means of incap or death)

+++ Type 8 Immortality (Archie's biggest asset, ensuring that nothing Game does permanently puts an end to him)



Archie has easier wincons (BFR with greater range with both Chaos Control and Power Rings), but is countered by Game's versatility, superior stats, and amps to both counter and overwhelm Archie's own. Tough fight, leaning towards Game here.
Archie FRA plus superior stats.
 
Also, EMERL was the one who said he wasn’t holding back.
No, he was speaking in general for all 3 of them, also, do you really believe that sonic was secretly sextilions of times stronger than everyone in battle the whole time? Dude look the at the profiles this is an accepted thing
 
+++ Amps (The Spin Dash, Drop Dash, Super Peel Out, and Boost ALL provide a 346x amp, allowing Game to counteract Archie's passive Fate Manipulation by being what is essentially as close to an untouchable force as he can be. These give Game a level of battlefield control leagues better than Archie)
Wouldn't Game boosting around at speeds far faster than Archie likely lead to the latter using hax because he can't hit Game?
 
Yup.

Oh yeah btw when I said Game had "Superior stats" I was misremembering what was accepted in the Low 2-C thread. Archie has the stat advantage.

While I think Game would be able to hold his weight in-part due to Danger Sense to help avoid any attacks (a positive for Game I forgot about), Archie would probably use the Power Rings at his disposal pretty early on. So even if/when Game covers the stat difference, Archie will likely just BFR Game away just as he did Naugus. And beyond a ramge he can reach. "No long wishes, no mumbo jumbo. Just go back--now!!!"

So Archie for my reasons and FRA.
 

Time 54:00 "no holding back"



......are you serious? Have you read the profiles?
Also the final boss battle
Also not from gens but


Do you want me to prove that power is not everything in a fight? Besides, for the AD stuff, that is the pattern we have saw, be it with ultimate emerl, classic in both gens and forces, and moder. With forces against the death egg robot

Omega, I think you need to read and re-read your arguments again. You are straight up arguing Sonic can AD an INFINITE gap of power in SECONDS with the Gens/Forces argument. I can point out to any time Sonic needed to go Super to debunk this insane wank.

Sonic will not AD whatever gap of power there is. That's insane wank.
 
Omega, I think you need to read and re-read your arguments again. You are straight up arguing Sonic can AD an INFINITE gap of power in SECONDS with the Gens/Forces argument. I can point out to any time Sonic needed to go Super to debunk this insane wank.
Not really, super is simply a bigger gap,

Sonic will not AD whatever gap of power there is. That's insane wank.
That is literrally what he did multiple times in the series, why do you think we rate adventure sonic at 4-A?
 
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