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The Boys discussion thread
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mmmm, perhaps a rat of unusual size?
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did it say her supe physiology just shut off? she couldnt use her powers just like how deep is borderline useless on land, so it was physicals to physicals, H2H, and it was even, until he started ragdolling her. and thats just 1 instance, deep shoulder bashed a-train into a wall during a scuffle, and i dont think you can argue starlight being much higher (if higher at all) than a-train physically. i mean theres a reason why her blasts scale way higher than she does.
he was also able to choke out black noir (which was stupid and bad writing, but this show doesnt get that luxury because its all bad writing tbh)
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The speed in this verse is inconsistent.
A-Train showed like, MHS+ levels of speed in the Quicksilver esque scene, Homelander somewhat kept up with him afterwards. Homelander also has like 3? Hypersonic+ to MHS+ feats as in the bomb saving, when he killed the billionaire and I think there may be something I am forgetting of.
Yet, A Train was capped at Supersonic, and Homelander just doesn't use his flight speed in fights so uh wtf. With his higher end flight speed bro would have logically easily escaped the oval office.
Uh, and Starlight and Ryan have some nice speed feats going for them too.
A-Train showed like, MHS+ levels of speed in the Quicksilver esque scene, Homelander somewhat kept up with him afterwards. Homelander also has like 3? Hypersonic+ to MHS+ feats as in the bomb saving, when he killed the billionaire and I think there may be something I am forgetting of.
Yet, A Train was capped at Supersonic, and Homelander just doesn't use his flight speed in fights so uh wtf. With his higher end flight speed bro would have logically easily escaped the oval office.
Uh, and Starlight and Ryan have some nice speed feats going for them too.
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No, it really isn't consistent. It's actually quite consistent with Subsonic stuff. Even the bomb saving feat is very overhyped and not actually close to Hypersonic+
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Maybe the real frauds were the marketing department lol. “They sold us scorched earth and we got a scorched carpet” was one of the funniest things I saw about this
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the real scorched earth will be the entire fan base forgetting about the verse and its spinoffs, wonder how they expect people to watch them when they fumbled the bag this hard on the main attraction.
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Literally though. It's like they were so focused on the spin-offs that they forgot "Oh yeah we gotta do shit with The Boys series" itself. Twice in a row.
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saw a post that was like “this was acktuyually homelander’s vision of the world just like vought tower being crumbled is butcher’s vision, but neither man got what they wanted in the end
”so now the writers wanna be all deep n s*** but in the actual show its nothing but anuses, poopoo jokes, and christianity bad?
everything in this show is very on the nose and not sugarcoated one bit, so i would bet money that is pure cap, and they really just did the same thing they’ve done all show, which is dangle “he’s gonna snap guys watch out its coming next week!!!11”, for views, knowing bro will still be a Tighten victim by the end of the series
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A trains stuff is more like sub-relativistic, so even with generous MHS scaling it’s a massive outlier to other travel feats.
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I think one thing the comic did more successfully was how they handled Homelander’s end, and Butcher as well. If they weren’t so desperate for churning out spin offs, they could’ve replaced Noir with Soldier Boy.
Have the final fight be him against his father, Homelander wins, but gets weakened, leaving him vulnerable enough for a team to kill him. But they had to preserve their IP ig.
Also, the show was political from the outset. This isn’t something originating from Kripke either. The Boys comic was just as political as the show, aimed at Bush tbh. In the comic, the Seven botched 9/11 because they were untrained, but the mentally handicapped Vice president Victor “Vic the Veep” Neuman (meant to be a George Bush parody) wanted them to do it as a Vought shill. It’s just that enough time has passed that the references aren’t as topical to us.
Have the final fight be him against his father, Homelander wins, but gets weakened, leaving him vulnerable enough for a team to kill him. But they had to preserve their IP ig.
Also, the show was political from the outset. This isn’t something originating from Kripke either. The Boys comic was just as political as the show, aimed at Bush tbh. In the comic, the Seven botched 9/11 because they were untrained, but the mentally handicapped Vice president Victor “Vic the Veep” Neuman (meant to be a George Bush parody) wanted them to do it as a Vought shill. It’s just that enough time has passed that the references aren’t as topical to us.
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The final episode of The Boys was apparently okay with a few reservations.
I'm just disappointed that what I thought would be a chaotic, city-delaying event like Superman vs. Zod DCEU, was reduced to a fight in the White House that was less destructive than in the comics.
I'm just disappointed that what I thought would be a chaotic, city-delaying event like Superman vs. Zod DCEU, was reduced to a fight in the White House that was less destructive than in the comics.
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What really are his powers? Breathing underwater, which is helpful. Means he could drown her in water, sure. He can also talk to sea animals. But it’s become obvious he can’t control them, or if he can, it’s super limited. Counting sea animals in his power is like me asking a bunch of friends to jump you, and then saying I’m stronger than you because I have friends lol
Her power can be used close to electricity. Which gives her a limit as well. But even when she brought him away from electricity sources, she did still beat him
Either way. It’s probably more accurate to say that, by pure strength, he’s probably stronger. But by ap, using her powers, she wins. As for who just straight up wins a fight, it’s just situational, I suppose
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I knew from the moment the S5 trailer was dropped that he would be doin' NONE of that
Precognition fr fr.....
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The writers need to learn that crudeness isn't inherently funny. There was a joke like this in 4x1 that landed well, but I think it worked due to shock value, Victoria Neuman's reaction, and absurdism of Butcher speaking to thin air right after.
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I somehow forgot how many N-Bombs The Boondocks drops lmfao
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It's comments like these that make me realize some of you have a reading/comprehension problem, because I said that in the first season, Homelander was multifaceted, simultaneously pathetic, interesting, and terrifying, combining manipulation and competition with a baby. But in recent seasons, he's become cartoonish and flat to please people who hate Trump.
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The situation is remarkably similar to the Joker duology, where Todd Phillips accidentally created a deep, multifaceted character he himself didn't understand. Then he got angry when audiences embraced the character, despite all his flaws. He got so angry that he made a disgusting sequel, which spent nearly two and a half hours showing Arthur as a loser, beaten and raped by security guards, abandoned by his girlfriend, and degrading as a character.you are fighting a losing battle my guy, it took a mid season and an even worse finale for people to finally start waking up to a show thats been going downhill for years— you arent gonna get a crowd who only sees homelander as an object to direct their irl problems regarding the current state of american politics, to actually understand how much worse as a character he’s gotten over the years; and not worse as in “more heinous, more evil” but worse as in, “people started liking him so we have to make him as goofy, weak, and as stupid as possible, while constantly dangling ‘he’s gonna snap guys i swear’, even though it never happens.” because like someone else on this thread basically said, its more important to shine light on the big bad meanieheads in the world like ‘ohmlanda, than it is to write a good motherf’ing villain at the end of the day
muzan and yoru might have just been dethroned ngl, homelander is deadass the biggest fraud in fiction (yes, fiction, this is not real)
but maybe this is what clara would’ve wanted, maybe this was all apart of sister sage’s plan
Some directors are just idiots who don't understand that they're making a product for the audience, not fan fiction to use as a means of self-affirmation.
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Nah, I think it was better for Homelander to go out like the pathetic chud that he truly is
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Did the radiation physically enhance Kimiko too? Homelander lasered her in half earlier this season, yet she was only knocked around by his heat vision in the final episode
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Yeah, if anything it should have been more pathetic and drawn ouy. What's crazy is that he even was thought of as cool and badass to begin with. (Bro was literally beefing with a baby in S1)
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Maybe it just gave resistance to heat? She still got hurt by bullets and needed to regenerate.
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Probably due to leveling-up via how Supes evolve
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It's not about coolness or that stuff. Homelander was effective because he was terrifying.
But with every season Homelander got less scary. A primary characteristics of your villain must be one that builds tension. Being a joker is not that.
That's why season 1 is gold standard. Homelander is pathetic in that too, but it's balanced out well where the audience is actually scared of him.
For this being well executed, look at Death Note (the manga). Yes it's a bit skewed give Light is the protagonist, but he is much like Homelander just far more in the shadows. He is cunning, competent and scary.
So when that hammer drops and he gets shot, him begging for his life actually works in the disillusionment. He is no god. He is just a serial killer.
With Homelander, we are already told this so so many times that it feels. "Well that was that."
But with every season Homelander got less scary. A primary characteristics of your villain must be one that builds tension. Being a joker is not that.
That's why season 1 is gold standard. Homelander is pathetic in that too, but it's balanced out well where the audience is actually scared of him.
For this being well executed, look at Death Note (the manga). Yes it's a bit skewed give Light is the protagonist, but he is much like Homelander just far more in the shadows. He is cunning, competent and scary.
So when that hammer drops and he gets shot, him begging for his life actually works in the disillusionment. He is no god. He is just a serial killer.
With Homelander, we are already told this so so many times that it feels. "Well that was that."
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My favourite example of this is the season 2 finale. He utterly crumbles when Maeve threatens to out him, but is terrifying when murdering those soldiers.
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Yeah, his need for love and adoration was his only weakness. And they keep **** teasing us with him losing it, but it never happens.
We basically got scammed if I am being honest. Either actually follow through on your 3 seasons of setup of If the people find out the truth about Homelander, being feared is A 1 okey dokey for him.
That never comes. Flight 37 video, the so-called Ultimate plot device, is relegated to a AI joke.
It's all over now. And it was just a one giant loop of going back to the status quo. Only in season 1 did stuff happens consistently.
In season 2 we get Stormfront, she dies back to Homelander. In Season 3 we get Soldier Boy, he is taken out, back to Homelander. In season 4 we have Victoria Neuman. She dies. Back to Homelander.
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not defending directors like that, but it doesn’t help that there are a chunk of people who consume entertainment, not to appreciate well written characters heroic or villainous, but to take a fictional character and try to use them simply as target to direct their real life anger, or dissatisfaction with certain real life things.
ive seen it in this thread and in some comment sections elsewhere, and it makes me laugh, because there are FAR worse characters in fiction than homelander, yet he is getting more “yeah im glad the big mean poopiehead is dead he deserves it” than ive seen with many other characters.
like, nevermind how pitifully unimpressive, poorly written and anticlimactic the whole conflict was; all that matters in some of these people’s eyes are that the villain lost. which is fine because he is the villain, but at the cost of everything i mentioned? how old are we? its like young children watching power rangers or something, cheering that the monster of the week lost— last time i checked this is supposed to be an adult show, a cleverly constructed flipping of classic superhero tropes, yet it ended up the most cliche saturday morning cartoon s*** ever lmao
whatever though its over, atleast i still have memories of S1 sidepart w/ slightly hanging hair bang homelander
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Again, Homelander being a pathetic and hollow immature narcissistic control freak bully who is emotionally dependent on murdering everybody who doesn't adore him, and as such without any true strength of character, isn't just about Trump. It is about dissecting the true nature of tyrannical evil politicians and oligarchs everywhere, similarly to how I have read that Stephen King treated the Crimson King up close.
And from what I have learned about spiritual evolution over the years, it is a correct analysis. Fiction's tendency to hype absolute pieces of shit like Doctor Doom and Thanos as something cool, laudable, and admireable is the inaccurate and absolutely socially irresponsible deviation from how reality actually works, not how Homelander was treated. So I found the handling of Homelander very refreshing in comparison.
And from what I have learned about spiritual evolution over the years, it is a correct analysis. Fiction's tendency to hype absolute pieces of shit like Doctor Doom and Thanos as something cool, laudable, and admireable is the inaccurate and absolutely socially irresponsible deviation from how reality actually works, not how Homelander was treated. So I found the handling of Homelander very refreshing in comparison.
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I'd say Homelander from season 1-3 is a stronger example of that, because you can see from how he talks about money and marketing that he's a genuinely smart guy with a well developed image, but also extremely impulsive. Homelander from season 5 has all of the neuroses of the Nazi party, but without the drugs.
Homelander strikes me as the kind of person who, if they saw someone in a fancy sports car, would have the natural inclination to utterly destroy the car because he sees it as stupid. He's like a kid with a magnifying glass who also sees himself as better than everyone else.
Homelander strikes me as the kind of person who, if they saw someone in a fancy sports car, would have the natural inclination to utterly destroy the car because he sees it as stupid. He's like a kid with a magnifying glass who also sees himself as better than everyone else.
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no
I've rewatched all the way to the season 3 finale, starting 2 weeks ago, and there were many details I missed, like Homelander flying by during the blackmail scene
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Depends because reality isn't black and white. In comics Thanos wasn't actually cool, he was a simp trying to impress Death.Again, Homelander being a pathetic and hollow immature narcissistic control freak bully who is emotionally dependent on murdering everybody who doesn't adore him, and as such without any true strength of character, isn't just about Trump. It is about dissecting the true nature of tyrannical evil politicians and oligarchs everywhere, similarly to how I have read that Stephen King treated the Crimson King up close.
And from what I have learned about spiritual evolution over the years, it is a correct analysis. Fiction's tendency to hype absolute pieces of shit like Doctor Doom and Thanos as something cool, laudable, and admireable is the inaccurate and absolutely socially irresponsible deviation from how reality actually works, not how Homelander was treated. So I found the handling of Homelander very refreshing in comparison.
And Dr Doom is a complicated character. He is a villain but also a leader of a successful nation.
If all villains were the same pathetic like Homelander, fiction would be really really boring.
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Be as that may in terms of narrative purposes, in real life it requires immense personal moral discipline and purity of character to advance spiritually, with the by far most spiritually powerful beings, the Buddhas/SatGurus, being absolutely impossible to corrupt due to their complete lack of personal egos.
So the only evil people who are not complete spiritual nobodies are the ones who have been extremely good in previous lifetimes and have then fallen to extreme degrees later, and due to the laws of Dharma they cannot directly use their spiritual powers for evil purposes without immense automatic backlash counter-reactions to themselves.
So in reality all absolutely evil tyrants are weak, hollow, and pathetic at their true cores, which is the entire point of how corruption and egotism fundamentally work. They are just often skillfully manipulative Machiavellians who are extremely good at publicly hiding it.
So the only evil people who are not complete spiritual nobodies are the ones who have been extremely good in previous lifetimes and have then fallen to extreme degrees later, and due to the laws of Dharma they cannot directly use their spiritual powers for evil purposes without immense automatic backlash counter-reactions to themselves.
So in reality all absolutely evil tyrants are weak, hollow, and pathetic at their true cores, which is the entire point of how corruption and egotism fundamentally work. They are just often skillfully manipulative Machiavellians who are extremely good at publicly hiding it.
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I hate the powerscaling sub Reddit.
Half of the users there dont understand dimensionality and how combat speed works.
I had someone telling me that Homelander has average human combat speed because thats how it looked in the Finale Fight,and because MM and Kimiko can perceive his attacks.
Half of the users there dont understand dimensionality and how combat speed works.
I had someone telling me that Homelander has average human combat speed because thats how it looked in the Finale Fight,and because MM and Kimiko can perceive his attacks.
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I'll give an actual review of the season because saying it's dogshit is not enough, and my focus on Powerscaling did not illustrate my point perfectly.
Read some reviews, and also have my own takes. I will say my opinions, and even reflect some other opinions from reviewers that put my thoughts into words.
I rewatched the whole thing and... What can't be said is that we didn't expect this given how utterly terrible the rest of the season was.
Because it was so obvious that a 50 minute episode would NEVER be able to wrap up all storylines in a satisfying wat, in an 8 episode season that wasted 7 of them on literally nothing.
The imperative phrase here is "in a satisfying way", because making a montage that just tackles those storylines is so easy a toddler could do it. Using 2 minutes to wrap up each character's story is the laziest way to do it. This is something even the most amateur of writers could've done. I'd say ******* AI would be able to do it, because HONESTLY it feels like it did.
Honestly, to say the final episode had "a lot" to tackle was an understatement on my end, if we list them all, you will see why it was an impossible task created by the season's own strucutre. And to be honest, even given the timeframe, I never doubted the series would be able to just, lazily, finish them all up, that's not the problem. What I actually feared, and it came to fruition was, the sheer bulk of things needed to be handled was so big that nothing really important was given enough time to breathe, causing the final episode to be extremely rushed. That eventually came true as we were given the most half-baked episode of the season, where things happen at lightning speed, nothing has the weight that it should have, because the episode itself knows it has half a trillion things to wrap up in the remaining minutes.
And what makes me pissed off is why this happened in the first place, because while I did not see a lack of quality on the level of GOT, I will stand by the opinion that this finale was even WORSE in terms of ******* a series up, even though the episode itself was "better". "Less worse".
Because this episode is way more cowardly, way more nothing-burgery, way more obvious than GOT's, which at least has the ******* balls to commit to its bad decisions. The reason why I stand by this opinion is because GOT entered its final season with, also, half a billion things to solve.
And unlike The Boys, it actually solved them throughout the entire season, not well, but it did. There was no episode in that series' final season where nothing happens. At no point did I feel like GOT's final season was wasting my ******* time with filler, so for that reason I respect it WAY more than whatever Kripke did in this ******* Season 5. In fact, my complaint with GOT is that it solved things too quickly, too fast, with no proper time given to them, the exact opposite. But it did have that as an excuse. GOT had so much shit that it needed another season enitrely. The Boys didn't, they could've used the 8 episodes accordingly and wrap all the narrative up in them, instead of shoving it all down our throats in E8.
We had ENTIRE SEQUENCES OF FILLER EPISODES in this season, the FINAL SEASON MIND YOU, dedicating time to Annie's ******* father where she learns about humanity AGAIN for the third time, in a promise that this season was gonna solve the mess that was the 4th season of the show.
Then the final season actually starts by apparently fulfilling that promise, masterfully wrapping up the storyline of A-Train, bringing back Soldier Boy as sort of a Joker card to the script, the two first episodes already giving us a clear objective for the The Boys and their plans to put an end to Homelander. Yes, the 4th season made a promise, and the start of the 5th season was fulfilling it. So much so that I immediately praised and loved the first two episodes, like "**** yes, we're so back".
But boy, oh boy... But then Episode 3 came around, episode 4, episode 5, episode 6, and LMFAOOOOOOOOO. What did they gave us? FILLERS! WOHOOOOOOO! THE VERY THING THEY PROMISED US THEY WOULDN'T HAVEEEEE, IT'S HERE AGAIN! I love IT!
And I know some of you will try and claim things did happen in those episodes. Yes. 99% filler, 1% a singular piece of information that drives the plot forward. The whole thing with Bombsight and the "rage powder" bullshit was filler, they could've done that storyline in 2 minutes, not 50 of an entire episode.
We wasted time with dogshit drama with Starlight's father, we wasted time with Terror, we wasted 3 ENTIRE EPISODES tackling the SAME EXACT CONFLICT IN THE CORE OF THE BOYS' MAIN GROUP, with Hughie being just an arbitrary moral obstacle because he is a *****.
They look for the V1 in the cum-rock dude's house.
They look for the V1 but in Gus Fring's ******* bunker.
They look for the V1 in abandoned factory.
So this is my argument to say this finale is worse than GOT's in terms of ******* things up, even though it was better on a technical level. Because THEY HAD TIME TO ******* SPAREEEEEEEE, it wasn't out of NECESSITY that things felt rushed. Ffs. They just refused to use the time they had in a meaningful way. Or because they are incapable of writing, OR because they don't care about it.
I've been saying this shit since Episode one, "this season has no ******* time to waste on bullshit".
So when the final episode, carrying this ENTIRE RESPONSIBILITY, of impossibly tackling, in an hour, things that the season couldn't wrap up in 8, when it started with an entire sequence of 8th grader jokes about Frenchie seeing their buttholes, dude... I can't help but feel the need to rip my ******* eyes out, like DUDEEEEEEE, this is a level of disrespect that I couldn't fathom to be possible.
The FACT the episode opens with bullshit is the episode ITSELF looking at us and saying, "yeah, don't get your hopes up because even WE don't know what we're doing here".
They've been so lost, that even plot points that they DID set up with a proper finale, they couldn't satisfyingly finish. Like ******* hell, the Deep is the only character with a proper character arc in the B-Plot of the series. Last episode was so good in the aspect of giving Deep a proper finale, not only because it would be one less time waster for the final episode, but I actually liked it. What better ending would be for him to be stuck on land, being seen as a pathetic little man. But no, we have to have the funny fight scene with him, Top 20 strongest supes, being killed by ******* sea level FISH.
The Gen V chicks too, those two little scenes dedicated for them was more than enough, they took care of the refugees, done, wrapped up, they make no difference in Episode 8. And I say this because the build up should've happend THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON, but since it happened in episode 7, keep it there, ffs! They brought them back for a pep talk, IN THE FINAL EPISODE.
WHAT IN THE CW?!
They should've been closing off chapters, closing off storylines, wrapping up characters throughout the 7 episodes, not at the last possible moment. Saving only the MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS for the final episode, so we can taste the satisfaction of everything being tied up like a pretty bow, not only to see WHAT happens, but to EXPERIENCE what happens too.
This is why the "HOW" it happens matters more than "WHAT" happens, because EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG knew what would happen in the final episode, Homelander dies, Kimiko would take away his powers, Butcher wants to kill all supes and has to die to finish his own character arc. La dee da. We all KNEW THAT BY FACT. The beauty of a narrative is not what happens, but how it happens exactly.
Let's say to someone who never watched Lord of the Rings that they manage to get to the volcano and throw the ring, that Frodo dies but not really, that Aragorn becomes the King, etc. Do you think this will immediately make them love the series and say, "wow, what a cathartic finale", NO, they need to know the path, the HOW they got there for it to be an outstanding finale.
Or, I dunno, Breaking Bad, you think just TELLING what happens in the finale is enough to make it good for someone who has never seen it? Obviously NOT.
"HOW" something happens needs more time than a simple phrase, more time than a single episode, time that The Boys had PLENTY OF, but NEVER DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. And this is what PISSED ME THE **** OFF, other shows had way more crunch and had to wrap things up way quicker, so they squeezed each episode for the maximum amount of content to explain the "HOW", not just some filler with minor improvements to their "chess board" of a plot, with, not only the 5 episodes between 2 and 8 being dogshit, but an ENTIRE 4TH SEASON OF BULLSHIT where THEY trapped themselves in this huge plotline to finish.
What was the result? Drums roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They do finish all the plotlines
Only problem is, there is no emotional quality, no weight, no impact, the world feels small and we don't see global repercussions, which has always been a thing in S1-S3. Because everything happens too fast.
And even to agree with @Antvasima, I really like some of the events that happen in the finale. Of course, there's somethings I don't like.
For example, Ryan showing up at the last possible second to help Butcher. To me, this absolute wreck, piece of shit, murderer should've been ******* killed by Homelander in Episode 3, but alas.
If someone did the earlier thought experience of telling a past-version of me before watching S5 what would happen in the finale, seeing all the macro of the events, just being told, I would think it was a pretty good, but obvious, finale.
Homelander losing his powers and being curbstomped on Live Television, human vs human, just to show how much of a ***** he is, is pretty cool.
Butcher not feeling fulfilled even after killing Homelander and wanting to kill all supes because he believes that's his crusade makes perfect sense.
Hughie being the guy that "has to stop the monster", mirrowing the first episode of the first season was also cool as ****.
I would go, "oh wow, that's so cool", but watching the journey to get there was PAIN. It made the entire finale lackluster.
It's all about the HOW, because to be honest?
The series itself doesn't explore the "how" these things happen any better than I did when just, saying what happens in a literal sense.
"How will they get to Homelander?"
"Oh, there's a direct tunnel that gets directly to the oval office."
... The ****?! The actual hell are you talking about, The Boys? There's a tunnel, that leads directly to the ******* White House? HUH?! Was their base in another state? Wasn't Vought in another state as well?
The writers are actually so lazy, oml. Did they cross the distance of a STATE through a tunnel?! Would it better if we had time to elaborate the plan for The Boys to INVADE THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THE EPISODES instead of, I don't know, a dumb ******* dog wanting to eat chocolate?
"Oh, we didn't have time to tell this story", oh PISS OFF, PISS OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. YOU HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD.
They kill Oh-Father in the most non-sensical pathetic way possible.
Give a worse ending to the Deep that is way worse than last week's.
Give another ending to the Gen V chicks that is just a reheated version of last week's.
Let's talk about Oh-Father for 20 seconds. Are MM's hands Building level? He was holding the titanium ball down against Oh-Father's mouth, he didn't wrap it up. He should've been sent flying from the force before any of it bounced back and exploded Oh-Father's head. **** this show.
And they're actually so GOOD at wasting my time that there's characters that don't even REALLY APPEAR in the finale when they definitely should. They get a brief mention in the episode, because they pretend they didn't have time.
Even the most prominent and the one who did something. Ashley. She did one thing, and her entire plot line was finished in a 10 second clip. Stan Edgar? 5 second clip, finished plotline.
Plot lines, mind you, that should've been solved WEEKS ago, that shouldn't even be present in the important finale.
SERIOUSLY?
Imagine if Episode 8 started with all the mentioned plot lines finished, the entire plan to invade the White House outlined and just waiting to be started, wouldn't that make for a much better finale and given way more focus to the battle itself?
First half entirely dedicated to The Boys vs Supes, the second half The Boys vs Butcher, but way more clean and with much more time to breathe. No more leftover half baked plotlines, no more Sister Sage becoming a dumbass and making low tier jokes, no focus on Frenchie and buttholes, no shitty Ryan plotline, seriously, I want this kid dead, no more shitty Gen V cameos. Like Jesus CHRIST WE WASTED SO MUCH TIME.
They genuinely think they cooked with a 2 minute shitty fight with low scale, that gets to be WORSE than Herogasm's, where we don't even feel the impact of Homelander dying. Bro... Like, it's the VILLAIN OF 5 SEASONS, and we get a 2 minute fight and no impact at all. It's TOP 5 GREATEST VILLAINS OF POP CULTURE, and we don't feel the impact of his death on Supes, on the world, on Vought, because we DON'T HAVE TIME FOR IT. CHRIST.
We waste so much time that, no, after his death, quickly cut to them commemorating, quickly switch Butcher's side, quickly make Hughie stop him.
"Why didn't Hughie tell anyone about Butcher?"
"Ehhh, no time, don't think about it"
While the scene itself is sad, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO FEEL BUTCHER'S DEATH, THE IMPACT IS GONE, WE MOVE ON IMMEDIATELY. 30 SECONDS OF FUNERAL.
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HUGHIE DOESN'T EVEN TELL THEM HE WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED BUTCHER. He killed MM's BEST FRIEND FOR LIFE, and we don't get a scene of him telling him that. We just move on instantly. Lmfao, I hate this show so much.
This begs the quesiton.
Why WAS the scenes about MM's mourning stripped away from us?
Why didn't we see a plan to invade the white house?
Why didn't Homelander's team, who knew they were coming, have several teams of supes to protect HL?
Why was the fight 2 minutes long?
Because, my friends, they wasted time on this shit:
FUNNE DOG HUMPING HOMELANDER DOLL. HEHEHEHEHHE
Now I ask you? Was that not ******* filler? You people who said this was important and was leading somewhere? That WASN'T filler? Are you sure? What did Annie learn that wasn't already learned before? What was the point of her father/ What was the point of Terror? What was the point of the rage powder? HUH?
Yeah, no, piss off, this was filler.
To conclude, I have a hard time deciding whether this or Stranger Things had a worse ending in 2026, I think this highly depends on the level of investment you had in each series. And the way their endings are trash is actually quite similar, both endings are weak, and they're also quite predictable on how they end. You know exactly what will happen in their finales and what will happen to the villains, and it just happens unceremoniously without any twists, so you just... wow, that was so predictable.
Still, I think The Boys hurt a little more because I really cared about these characters and their stories, way more than I gave a flying **** about Stranger Things. So seeing the core characters of this beloved show turning into unbearable jerks in this season left me disgusted watching any scenes with them. Seeing the pathetic level they were transforming Homelander's villany into a political caricature. The guy who was always a "no mercy" time of villain, showed up, killed everyone, his presence caused fear in the audience. It was so sad to see what he became, not because I like him as a person, because I like him as a character in the story. The greatest villain of the world. Suddenly he leaves Frenchie live so he can say his goodbyes. Yeah sure.
The guy who stomped Soldier Boy and Butcher SIMULTANEOUSLY, who has been POWERED UP, suffering to beat and knock out Ryan, and Butcher. So much potential in Sister Sage, Firecracker, interesting characters that had rushed endings.
I'm not even gonna talk about the fillers, the useless Supernatural reencounters, holy shit.
This is really potential season
"They call it 007
0 narrative advancements
0 build up
7 episodes of starlight-hughie pep talks and Terror humping
"When" and "If", but never "is"
Give me libery
Give me fire,
Give me Soldier Boy loving a Nazi
Or I retire"
This is why I stand by my opinion. The Boys' ending IS worse than Game of Thrones, YES IT IS.
And don't get me wrong, I hate GOT's ending too, they ****** everything up. But they have the excused of genuine lack of time. But the ideas they had weren't bad, on paper. It was bold, it was a courageous idea. It challenged the audience, it was badass. Was the execution good? Not at all. And there's things I can't defend, but it doesn't hold a CANDLE to a series that wasted their time on PURPOSE.
I finished GOT's with a bad feeling, obviously, but with the feeling they just lacked the time to make it work. To develop it naturally, and maybe THAT would make it work. But The Boys?
Lmfao. Give them the 13 episodes, the ending would be equally worhtless. Because 7 of them were wasted on purpose. I can easily point out 3 hours of poinless drama, even 12 if we include Season 4.
The Boys NEVER had this Game-of-Thrones-level of plot to use this shitty ahh excuse that they only rushed the final episode because they had "so much to wrap up", that's a consequence of TERRIBLE strucure, HOURS of filler, because THEY decided not to wrap anything up in the last 15 ******* episodes of this series.
So it's safe to claim, without fear, that the Boys had the most unsatisfying ending of all time, that I even had the displeasure of watching. which is a shame, because the memory of The Boys, all the series had brought me over the years, was always a good one.
It was truly sad to watch a decline of an ending that was far easier to write than Game of Thrones, that ended up being so weak, so spineless, so whatever, so unispired, that it couldn't even cause the level of backlash GOT had. Because it was just whatever, which is worse than rage-inducing for me. I felt nothing.
The ending will slowly fade into obscurity, SADLY, as well as the entire series, unlike GOT's infamous fame. It will cause noise for 3 days, like Stanger Things, then no one gives a shit about it anymore. Because it wasn't even offensive enough to be infamous, it was lukewarm, it was weak, it was crap. And I would never expect to use these words to describe The Boys.
I find that sad, but I can't give any other scores than: 4/10 to the ending. 2/10 for the entire season. 5/10 for the entire series
I rewatched the whole thing and... What can't be said is that we didn't expect this given how utterly terrible the rest of the season was.
Because it was so obvious that a 50 minute episode would NEVER be able to wrap up all storylines in a satisfying wat, in an 8 episode season that wasted 7 of them on literally nothing.
The imperative phrase here is "in a satisfying way", because making a montage that just tackles those storylines is so easy a toddler could do it. Using 2 minutes to wrap up each character's story is the laziest way to do it. This is something even the most amateur of writers could've done. I'd say ******* AI would be able to do it, because HONESTLY it feels like it did.
Honestly, to say the final episode had "a lot" to tackle was an understatement on my end, if we list them all, you will see why it was an impossible task created by the season's own strucutre. And to be honest, even given the timeframe, I never doubted the series would be able to just, lazily, finish them all up, that's not the problem. What I actually feared, and it came to fruition was, the sheer bulk of things needed to be handled was so big that nothing really important was given enough time to breathe, causing the final episode to be extremely rushed. That eventually came true as we were given the most half-baked episode of the season, where things happen at lightning speed, nothing has the weight that it should have, because the episode itself knows it has half a trillion things to wrap up in the remaining minutes.
And what makes me pissed off is why this happened in the first place, because while I did not see a lack of quality on the level of GOT, I will stand by the opinion that this finale was even WORSE in terms of ******* a series up, even though the episode itself was "better". "Less worse".
Because this episode is way more cowardly, way more nothing-burgery, way more obvious than GOT's, which at least has the ******* balls to commit to its bad decisions. The reason why I stand by this opinion is because GOT entered its final season with, also, half a billion things to solve.
And unlike The Boys, it actually solved them throughout the entire season, not well, but it did. There was no episode in that series' final season where nothing happens. At no point did I feel like GOT's final season was wasting my ******* time with filler, so for that reason I respect it WAY more than whatever Kripke did in this ******* Season 5. In fact, my complaint with GOT is that it solved things too quickly, too fast, with no proper time given to them, the exact opposite. But it did have that as an excuse. GOT had so much shit that it needed another season enitrely. The Boys didn't, they could've used the 8 episodes accordingly and wrap all the narrative up in them, instead of shoving it all down our throats in E8.
We had ENTIRE SEQUENCES OF FILLER EPISODES in this season, the FINAL SEASON MIND YOU, dedicating time to Annie's ******* father where she learns about humanity AGAIN for the third time, in a promise that this season was gonna solve the mess that was the 4th season of the show.
Then the final season actually starts by apparently fulfilling that promise, masterfully wrapping up the storyline of A-Train, bringing back Soldier Boy as sort of a Joker card to the script, the two first episodes already giving us a clear objective for the The Boys and their plans to put an end to Homelander. Yes, the 4th season made a promise, and the start of the 5th season was fulfilling it. So much so that I immediately praised and loved the first two episodes, like "**** yes, we're so back".
But boy, oh boy... But then Episode 3 came around, episode 4, episode 5, episode 6, and LMFAOOOOOOOOO. What did they gave us? FILLERS! WOHOOOOOOO! THE VERY THING THEY PROMISED US THEY WOULDN'T HAVEEEEE, IT'S HERE AGAIN! I love IT!
And I know some of you will try and claim things did happen in those episodes. Yes. 99% filler, 1% a singular piece of information that drives the plot forward. The whole thing with Bombsight and the "rage powder" bullshit was filler, they could've done that storyline in 2 minutes, not 50 of an entire episode.
We wasted time with dogshit drama with Starlight's father, we wasted time with Terror, we wasted 3 ENTIRE EPISODES tackling the SAME EXACT CONFLICT IN THE CORE OF THE BOYS' MAIN GROUP, with Hughie being just an arbitrary moral obstacle because he is a *****.
They look for the V1 in the cum-rock dude's house.
They look for the V1 but in Gus Fring's ******* bunker.
They look for the V1 in abandoned factory.
So this is my argument to say this finale is worse than GOT's in terms of ******* things up, even though it was better on a technical level. Because THEY HAD TIME TO ******* SPAREEEEEEEE, it wasn't out of NECESSITY that things felt rushed. Ffs. They just refused to use the time they had in a meaningful way. Or because they are incapable of writing, OR because they don't care about it.
I've been saying this shit since Episode one, "this season has no ******* time to waste on bullshit".
So when the final episode, carrying this ENTIRE RESPONSIBILITY, of impossibly tackling, in an hour, things that the season couldn't wrap up in 8, when it started with an entire sequence of 8th grader jokes about Frenchie seeing their buttholes, dude... I can't help but feel the need to rip my ******* eyes out, like DUDEEEEEEE, this is a level of disrespect that I couldn't fathom to be possible.
The FACT the episode opens with bullshit is the episode ITSELF looking at us and saying, "yeah, don't get your hopes up because even WE don't know what we're doing here".
They've been so lost, that even plot points that they DID set up with a proper finale, they couldn't satisfyingly finish. Like ******* hell, the Deep is the only character with a proper character arc in the B-Plot of the series. Last episode was so good in the aspect of giving Deep a proper finale, not only because it would be one less time waster for the final episode, but I actually liked it. What better ending would be for him to be stuck on land, being seen as a pathetic little man. But no, we have to have the funny fight scene with him, Top 20 strongest supes, being killed by ******* sea level FISH.
The Gen V chicks too, those two little scenes dedicated for them was more than enough, they took care of the refugees, done, wrapped up, they make no difference in Episode 8. And I say this because the build up should've happend THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SEASON, but since it happened in episode 7, keep it there, ffs! They brought them back for a pep talk, IN THE FINAL EPISODE.
WHAT IN THE CW?!
They should've been closing off chapters, closing off storylines, wrapping up characters throughout the 7 episodes, not at the last possible moment. Saving only the MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS for the final episode, so we can taste the satisfaction of everything being tied up like a pretty bow, not only to see WHAT happens, but to EXPERIENCE what happens too.
This is why the "HOW" it happens matters more than "WHAT" happens, because EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG knew what would happen in the final episode, Homelander dies, Kimiko would take away his powers, Butcher wants to kill all supes and has to die to finish his own character arc. La dee da. We all KNEW THAT BY FACT. The beauty of a narrative is not what happens, but how it happens exactly.
Let's say to someone who never watched Lord of the Rings that they manage to get to the volcano and throw the ring, that Frodo dies but not really, that Aragorn becomes the King, etc. Do you think this will immediately make them love the series and say, "wow, what a cathartic finale", NO, they need to know the path, the HOW they got there for it to be an outstanding finale.
Or, I dunno, Breaking Bad, you think just TELLING what happens in the finale is enough to make it good for someone who has never seen it? Obviously NOT.
"HOW" something happens needs more time than a simple phrase, more time than a single episode, time that The Boys had PLENTY OF, but NEVER DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT. And this is what PISSED ME THE **** OFF, other shows had way more crunch and had to wrap things up way quicker, so they squeezed each episode for the maximum amount of content to explain the "HOW", not just some filler with minor improvements to their "chess board" of a plot, with, not only the 5 episodes between 2 and 8 being dogshit, but an ENTIRE 4TH SEASON OF BULLSHIT where THEY trapped themselves in this huge plotline to finish.
What was the result? Drums roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...
They do finish all the plotlines
Only problem is, there is no emotional quality, no weight, no impact, the world feels small and we don't see global repercussions, which has always been a thing in S1-S3. Because everything happens too fast.
And even to agree with @Antvasima, I really like some of the events that happen in the finale. Of course, there's somethings I don't like.
For example, Ryan showing up at the last possible second to help Butcher. To me, this absolute wreck, piece of shit, murderer should've been ******* killed by Homelander in Episode 3, but alas.
If someone did the earlier thought experience of telling a past-version of me before watching S5 what would happen in the finale, seeing all the macro of the events, just being told, I would think it was a pretty good, but obvious, finale.
Homelander losing his powers and being curbstomped on Live Television, human vs human, just to show how much of a ***** he is, is pretty cool.
Butcher not feeling fulfilled even after killing Homelander and wanting to kill all supes because he believes that's his crusade makes perfect sense.
Hughie being the guy that "has to stop the monster", mirrowing the first episode of the first season was also cool as ****.
I would go, "oh wow, that's so cool", but watching the journey to get there was PAIN. It made the entire finale lackluster.
It's all about the HOW, because to be honest?
The series itself doesn't explore the "how" these things happen any better than I did when just, saying what happens in a literal sense.
"How will they get to Homelander?"
"Oh, there's a direct tunnel that gets directly to the oval office."
... The ****?! The actual hell are you talking about, The Boys? There's a tunnel, that leads directly to the ******* White House? HUH?! Was their base in another state? Wasn't Vought in another state as well?
The writers are actually so lazy, oml. Did they cross the distance of a STATE through a tunnel?! Would it better if we had time to elaborate the plan for The Boys to INVADE THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THE EPISODES instead of, I don't know, a dumb ******* dog wanting to eat chocolate?
"Oh, we didn't have time to tell this story", oh PISS OFF, PISS OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. YOU HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD.
They kill Oh-Father in the most non-sensical pathetic way possible.
Give a worse ending to the Deep that is way worse than last week's.
Give another ending to the Gen V chicks that is just a reheated version of last week's.
Let's talk about Oh-Father for 20 seconds. Are MM's hands Building level? He was holding the titanium ball down against Oh-Father's mouth, he didn't wrap it up. He should've been sent flying from the force before any of it bounced back and exploded Oh-Father's head. **** this show.
And they're actually so GOOD at wasting my time that there's characters that don't even REALLY APPEAR in the finale when they definitely should. They get a brief mention in the episode, because they pretend they didn't have time.
Even the most prominent and the one who did something. Ashley. She did one thing, and her entire plot line was finished in a 10 second clip. Stan Edgar? 5 second clip, finished plotline.
Plot lines, mind you, that should've been solved WEEKS ago, that shouldn't even be present in the important finale.
SERIOUSLY?
Imagine if Episode 8 started with all the mentioned plot lines finished, the entire plan to invade the White House outlined and just waiting to be started, wouldn't that make for a much better finale and given way more focus to the battle itself?
First half entirely dedicated to The Boys vs Supes, the second half The Boys vs Butcher, but way more clean and with much more time to breathe. No more leftover half baked plotlines, no more Sister Sage becoming a dumbass and making low tier jokes, no focus on Frenchie and buttholes, no shitty Ryan plotline, seriously, I want this kid dead, no more shitty Gen V cameos. Like Jesus CHRIST WE WASTED SO MUCH TIME.
They genuinely think they cooked with a 2 minute shitty fight with low scale, that gets to be WORSE than Herogasm's, where we don't even feel the impact of Homelander dying. Bro... Like, it's the VILLAIN OF 5 SEASONS, and we get a 2 minute fight and no impact at all. It's TOP 5 GREATEST VILLAINS OF POP CULTURE, and we don't feel the impact of his death on Supes, on the world, on Vought, because we DON'T HAVE TIME FOR IT. CHRIST.
We waste so much time that, no, after his death, quickly cut to them commemorating, quickly switch Butcher's side, quickly make Hughie stop him.
"Why didn't Hughie tell anyone about Butcher?"
"Ehhh, no time, don't think about it"
While the scene itself is sad, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO FEEL BUTCHER'S DEATH, THE IMPACT IS GONE, WE MOVE ON IMMEDIATELY. 30 SECONDS OF FUNERAL.
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BTW
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HUGHIE DOESN'T EVEN TELL THEM HE WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED BUTCHER. He killed MM's BEST FRIEND FOR LIFE, and we don't get a scene of him telling him that. We just move on instantly. Lmfao, I hate this show so much.
This begs the quesiton.
Why WAS the scenes about MM's mourning stripped away from us?
Why didn't we see a plan to invade the white house?
Why didn't Homelander's team, who knew they were coming, have several teams of supes to protect HL?
Why was the fight 2 minutes long?
Because, my friends, they wasted time on this shit:
FUNNE DOG HUMPING HOMELANDER DOLL. HEHEHEHEHHE
Now I ask you? Was that not ******* filler? You people who said this was important and was leading somewhere? That WASN'T filler? Are you sure? What did Annie learn that wasn't already learned before? What was the point of her father/ What was the point of Terror? What was the point of the rage powder? HUH?
Yeah, no, piss off, this was filler.
To conclude, I have a hard time deciding whether this or Stranger Things had a worse ending in 2026, I think this highly depends on the level of investment you had in each series. And the way their endings are trash is actually quite similar, both endings are weak, and they're also quite predictable on how they end. You know exactly what will happen in their finales and what will happen to the villains, and it just happens unceremoniously without any twists, so you just... wow, that was so predictable.
Still, I think The Boys hurt a little more because I really cared about these characters and their stories, way more than I gave a flying **** about Stranger Things. So seeing the core characters of this beloved show turning into unbearable jerks in this season left me disgusted watching any scenes with them. Seeing the pathetic level they were transforming Homelander's villany into a political caricature. The guy who was always a "no mercy" time of villain, showed up, killed everyone, his presence caused fear in the audience. It was so sad to see what he became, not because I like him as a person, because I like him as a character in the story. The greatest villain of the world. Suddenly he leaves Frenchie live so he can say his goodbyes. Yeah sure.
The guy who stomped Soldier Boy and Butcher SIMULTANEOUSLY, who has been POWERED UP, suffering to beat and knock out Ryan, and Butcher. So much potential in Sister Sage, Firecracker, interesting characters that had rushed endings.
I'm not even gonna talk about the fillers, the useless Supernatural reencounters, holy shit.
This is really potential season
"They call it 007
0 narrative advancements
0 build up
7 episodes of starlight-hughie pep talks and Terror humping
"When" and "If", but never "is"
Give me libery
Give me fire,
Give me Soldier Boy loving a Nazi
Or I retire"
This is why I stand by my opinion. The Boys' ending IS worse than Game of Thrones, YES IT IS.
And don't get me wrong, I hate GOT's ending too, they ****** everything up. But they have the excused of genuine lack of time. But the ideas they had weren't bad, on paper. It was bold, it was a courageous idea. It challenged the audience, it was badass. Was the execution good? Not at all. And there's things I can't defend, but it doesn't hold a CANDLE to a series that wasted their time on PURPOSE.
I finished GOT's with a bad feeling, obviously, but with the feeling they just lacked the time to make it work. To develop it naturally, and maybe THAT would make it work. But The Boys?
Lmfao. Give them the 13 episodes, the ending would be equally worhtless. Because 7 of them were wasted on purpose. I can easily point out 3 hours of poinless drama, even 12 if we include Season 4.
The Boys NEVER had this Game-of-Thrones-level of plot to use this shitty ahh excuse that they only rushed the final episode because they had "so much to wrap up", that's a consequence of TERRIBLE strucure, HOURS of filler, because THEY decided not to wrap anything up in the last 15 ******* episodes of this series.
So it's safe to claim, without fear, that the Boys had the most unsatisfying ending of all time, that I even had the displeasure of watching. which is a shame, because the memory of The Boys, all the series had brought me over the years, was always a good one.
It was truly sad to watch a decline of an ending that was far easier to write than Game of Thrones, that ended up being so weak, so spineless, so whatever, so unispired, that it couldn't even cause the level of backlash GOT had. Because it was just whatever, which is worse than rage-inducing for me. I felt nothing.
The ending will slowly fade into obscurity, SADLY, as well as the entire series, unlike GOT's infamous fame. It will cause noise for 3 days, like Stanger Things, then no one gives a shit about it anymore. Because it wasn't even offensive enough to be infamous, it was lukewarm, it was weak, it was crap. And I would never expect to use these words to describe The Boys.
I find that sad, but I can't give any other scores than: 4/10 to the ending. 2/10 for the entire season. 5/10 for the entire series
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