The Boys discussion thread

[Legion350]

I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to think A-Train has trouble running at full speed for long periods of time. The way I saw the scene, A-Train statuing Homelander was a combo of his pushing himself, and Homelander not being mid flight.

Then the heat vision slowed him down, and since he was distracted trying to keep track of Homelander, he had a hard time turning. We know he needs to consume an inhuman amount of calories to maintain his speed. All scaling aside, I thought it was a great end for his character. Glad he showed his character development stuck through to his last breath. I liked how A-Train tried to talk the Deep into leaving Homelander.

 

[57Dev]

Homelander being mid flight won't suddenly increase his reaction speed.

If he can react to A Train mid flight, then he can react to him always.

There is no need for a debate or assumption here. It's just a writing mistake, straight up.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Dalesean027]

Homelander being mid flight won't suddenly increase his reaction speed.

If he can react to A Train mid flight, then he can react to him always

Its not about it suddenly being an increase to reaction speed, no one said that, I said he doesn't need to have reactions on par with his flight speed to react to A-Train to begin with

Doesn't need to be comparable in reactions tbh if he's already flying at a speed thats comparable to A-Train even if he is ultimately slower.

A-Train wasn't really doing complex maneuvers during the chase and loses some momentum on sharp turns so it wasn't exactly hard for homelander to give chase and try and aim ahead

and homelander also had to plow through a tree and had minimal movements compared to even a-train

Homelander already has slight superhuman reactions which land around low subsonic already so as long as bro has the flight speed to keep up he should have no trouble reacting to someone who basically for the most part is running in a simple straight line path for the most part especially since bro wasn't doing any complex running maneuvers or busting sharp turns that would require said reactions

Legit this is like saying Homelander's reactions scale to the time he shot the plane down since he was flying at a speed comparable to it when he did it

 

[57Dev]

Its not about it suddenly being an increase to reaction speed, no one said that, I said he doesn't need to have reactions on par with his flight speed to react to A-Train to begin with


Homelander already has slight superhuman reactions which land around low subsonic already so as long as bro has the flight speed to keep up he should have no trouble reacting to someone who basically for the most part is running in a simple straight line path for the most part especially since bro wasn't doing any complex running maneuvers or busting sharp turns that would require said reactions

Legit this is like saying Homelander's reactions scale to the time he shot the plane down since he was flying at a speed comparable to it when he did it

I am mainly talking about the comment above me that's trying to justify the scene.

In no scaling chain can Homelander be statued and then proceed to somewhat keep up with A train. These two things are heavily contradictory.

Either A Train moves just a little faster than Homelander, making his Best Buy quicksilver feat impossible. Or A Train is in Russia before Homelander can even cross the state border.

 

[Tapkmiz]

I am mainly talking about the comment above me that's trying to justify the scene.

In no scaling chain can Homelander be statued and then proceed to somewhat keep up with A train. These two things are heavily contradictory.

Either A Train moves just a little faster than Homelander, making his Best Buy quicksilver feat impossible. Or A Train is in Russia before Homelander can even cross the state border.

There are also things like how bullets are frozen but Homelander's heat vision is only slowed, but then the HV is consistently outpacing both Homelander and A-Train in the scene. I think trying to make an argument based off visuals when they're a means to an end that are neither internally consistent with themselves nor the statements both in the show and the supplementary material is an effort in futility.

 

[Jropzone1]

what about Mr marathon? He's another speedster (presumably to replace A-train)and SB is shown to react to him there might be a durability feat for Mr marathon as well even if SB is casual. We'll see in the episode but from what I saw He's at least subsonic.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Clearly time in TBs universe flows so much slower that even FTL characters appear slow

 

[Just_Butchering]

what about Mr marathon? He's another speedster (presumably to replace A-train)and SB is shown to react to him there might be a durability feat for Mr marathon as well even if SB is casual. We'll see in the episode but from what I saw He's at least subsonic.

When does this happen?

 

[Dinozxd]

What he meant was that it doesn't scale to HL's combat speed, but it's fine for A-Train's.

Oh okay.

I’m not sure. A-Train at his peak seem to be canonically faster than Homelander flies based off statements and feats. And even he only seems to have transonic to supersonic statements. I’d argue we can maybe apply the calc to both of them if it isn’t too much above once it’s recalced. But it all depends, really

It’s gonna be hard to argue above supersonic for them imo

The thing is though, a V'd up A Train in S1 was barely able to run at Mach 1.1, while HL's confirmed, casual flight speed in the same season was Mach 1.5.

In S5 though, A Train outran an enraged Homelander. This alone shows how S5 A Train is faster than his other keys. 371 m/s or Mach 1.5 isn't a cap for S5 A Train nor Homelander.

 

[NikHelton]

Someone already did the calculations for A-Train's feat.

The scene at the camp throws a spanner in the works for the ending of the first episode. Butcher and Homelander were completely frozen in A-Train's perception. With such a speed difference, he should have simply destroyed him.

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Jropzone1]

When does this happen?

it's shown in the final trailer, I think, one of the trailers. Jared revealed he's playing him, too. Episode-wise, purely a guess, but it may happen in episode 3-4. I can't imagine Vought taking long to replace A-train.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

what about Mr marathon? He's another speedster (presumably to replace A-train)and SB is shown to react to him there might be a durability feat for Mr marathon as well even if SB is casual. We'll see in the episode but from what I saw He's at least subsonic.

We shouldn’t use it until the episode comes out. Anyway, he’s actually the speedster that A-Train replaced, so he’s gotta be slower

Artwork on his wall shows him outrunning a cheetah. So yea, subsonic. But speedsters get slower with age, so who’s to say he could even still do that?

We just gotta wait. But maybe they can get homelander and SB to subsonic combat speed

 

[Spinoirr]

 

[Jropzone1]

We shouldn’t use it until the episode comes out. Anyway, he’s actually the speedster that A-Train replaced, so he’s gotta be slower

Artwork on his wall shows him outrunning a cheetah. So yea, subsonic. But speedsters get slower with age, so who’s to say he could even still do that?

We just gotta wait. But maybe they can get homelander and SB to subsonic combat speed

I'm talking about the context of him being there post-A-train death, to replace A-train. He also moves in a blur in the trailer..

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Honestly, I’d love a Massively Hypersonic+ A-Train. And he does seem slower once A-Train starts chasing him. And Supes can get more powerful with training

But honestly, the evidence just stack against it. If we get a canon reason why he’d suddenly be be wayyy slower in the next scene, maybe, but without that, I don’t think it works. Especially not with the implication that he’s slower now than he used to be

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I'm talking about the context of him being there post-A-train death, to replace A-train. He also moves in a blur in the trailer..

We don’t really know if he’s there to replace A-Train necessarily. And even if so, they could have just went with the next fastest speedster in a quick PR stunt

Also, I will concur that we can say that Mister Marathon is at least subsonic based off that and the cheetah thing. But even then, the Deep dodged A-Train’s punch, it’s not like the Deep is transonic. We’ll need to see the episode so we know the context behind the feat

 

[57Dev]

Do you think Soldier boy will go solo after Homelander's "betrayal"

I mean from his perspective, Homelander sent him into a trap.

 

[Phoenks]

Do you think Soldier boy will go solo after Homelander's "betrayal"

I mean from his perspective, Homelander sent him into a trap.

Probably, he's also likely going to have got a buff from surviving near death with the virus.

Maybe he'll become some kind of biological superweapon now...

 

[Just_Butchering]

Probably, he's also likely going to have got a buff from surviving near death with the virus.

Maybe he'll become some kind of biological superweapon now...

A carrier of the supe virus? Damn.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Probably, he's also likely going to have got a buff from surviving near death with the virus.

Maybe he'll become some kind of biological superweapon now...

A carrier of the supe virus? Damn.

That will give him a reactive adaptation/evolution upgrade if that's the case

 

[Legion350]

A carrier of the supe virus? Damn.

I’m imagining Soldier Boy becoming a walking radioactive and biological hazard. He’d be a walking extinction event lol

 

[Phoenks]

My guess is that he becomes a walking virus. And that his version of it will be powerful enough to kill Homelander as well.

And from there, it would seem natural that Soldier Boy eventually infects Homelander through this after he goes solo.

But I don't think it'll be an instantaneous kill like how we saw with Sam. I think it'll eventually infect Homelander in the later parts of the season, but give him a decent amount of time to live. And during that time we'll see a truly unhinged version of Homelander that has nothing left to lose cause he's going to die in the end anyway.

Though maybe there will be a plot dedicated to Homelander and other supes having scientists trying to find a cure for it at the same time. OH---yeah, wait, maybe that's where Sister Sage comes in!!!

And then the Boys have to kill Sister Sage y'know?

I feel like a lot of different things could happen lol.

 

[Just_Butchering]

My guess is that he becomes a walking virus. And that his version of it will be powerful enough to kill Homelander as well.

And from there, it would seem natural that Soldier Boy eventually infects Homelander through this after he goes solo.

But I don't think it'll be an instantaneous kill like how we saw with Sam. I think it'll eventually infect Homelander in the later parts of the season, but give him a decent amount of time to live. And during that time we'll see a truly unhinged version of Homelander that has nothing left to lose cause he's going to die in the end anyway.

Though maybe there will be a plot dedicated to Homelander and other supes having scientists trying to find a cure for it at the same time. OH---yeah, wait, maybe that's where Sister Sage comes in!!!

And then the Boys have to kill Sister Sage y'know?

I feel like a lot of different things could happen lol.

The thing is, in the trailer they mention that Homelander wants to take V-One to become "immortal". Now, it could just be an age thing, but given that SB survived the virus, possibly thanks to that, it would make HK take the same V.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I’m just curious. Aside from A-Train having supersonic combat speed and reactions, I can think of one other person who might. That being… Supersonic. Not just from his name, but doesn’t he literally generate sonic claps for his supe power?

We obviously have very little to go off of for him, but shouldn’t he have clear cut supersonic combat speed?

 

[Dalesean027]

I’m just curious. Aside from A-Train having supersonic combat speed and reactions, I can think of one other person who might. That being… Supersonic. Not just from his name, but doesn’t he literally generate sonic claps for his supe power?

We obviously have very little to go off of for him, but shouldn’t he have clear cut supersonic combat speed?

Did we ever get to see him do it because if not we can't say if it was due to speed or force, you don't really need to be a set speed to generate shockwaves from clapping or other impacts

 

[57Dev]

I’m just curious. Aside from A-Train having supersonic combat speed and reactions, I can think of one other person who might. That being… Supersonic. Not just from his name, but doesn’t he literally generate sonic claps for his supe power?

We obviously have very little to go off of for him, but shouldn’t he have clear cut supersonic combat speed?

I mean we generate sonic claps by clapping too. Duh.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Did we ever get to see him do it because if not we can't say if it was due to speed or force, you don't really need to be a set speed to generate shockwaves from clapping or other impacts

Fair enough. Was just curious

I mean we generate sonic claps by clapping too. Duh.

lol

 

[LandonTheGuy]

has someone done any calculation about the A-Train feat where he sees bullets in slowmo?

 

[LandonTheGuy]

I mean we generate sonic claps by clapping too. Duh.

human upscale

 

[Just_Butchering]

I’m just curious. Aside from A-Train having supersonic combat speed and reactions, I can think of one other person who might. That being… Supersonic. Not just from his name, but doesn’t he literally generate sonic claps for his supe power?

We obviously have very little to go off of for him, but shouldn’t he have clear cut supersonic combat speed?

Attack speed maybe. But pretty sure he makes those via his ppwer, not sheer force

 

[Queen_Dasania]

has someone done any calculation about the A-Train feat where he sees bullets in slowmo?

Haven’t seen a can here, but did see one on Reddit where it came out to massively hypersonic+, which makes sense, as that’s in line with other feats of similar nature

It could be calced here, it would just be a bit of a hassle for something that can’t be applied

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Haven’t seen a can here, but did see one on Reddit where it came out to massively hypersonic+, which makes sense, as that’s in line with other feats of similar nature

It could be calced here, it would just be a bit of a hassle for something that can’t be applied

Idk if it's really an outlier, i'm calculating that feat of ep 2 where he gets on clouds height so maybe we will get some decent ends for this one idk

I was thinking about using 2 methods for the calc: the average cloud height and the free fall that Hewey (idk how to write his name lmao).

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Idk if it's really an outlier, i'm calculating that feat of ep 2 where he gets on clouds height so maybe we will get some decent ends for this one idk

I was thinking about using 2 methods for the calc: the average cloud height and the free fall that Hewey (idk how to write his name lmao).

I do remember that feat. I guess we’ll have to see how fast it comes out to. In the end, we’ll just look at all feats, statements, context, and what makes the most sense

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Supersonic up to Supersonic+

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Supersonic up to Supersonic+

Supersonic+ isn’t that bad. It’s definitely arguably to push them up to there if this is accepted

The A-Train slow motion scene is 100% still an outlier though

 

[LandonTheGuy]

Supersonic+ isn’t that bad. It’s definitely arguably to push them up to there if this is accepted

noice

The A-Train slow motion scene is 100% still an outlier though

Has someone tried doing something like, seeing people falling as still end type of thing?

I do remember that feat. I guess we’ll have to see how fast it comes out to. In the end, we’ll just look at all feats, statements, context, and what makes the most sense

How fast is allowed in this context? i assume between mach 5/10

 

[Queen_Dasania]

noice

Has someone tried doing something like, seeing people falling as still end type of thing?

How fast is allowed in this context? i assume between mach 5/10

I could see the people falling end maybe working. We could try to get a calc out there for that maybe

As for how fast is allowed? Homelander’s flight speed and A-Train’s running speed could at least be considered Mach 1.6 from statements. So maybe nothing significantly above that. Hypersonic would be a maybe

I know the Homelander explosion feat will be recalculated. We could see where that lands too

 

[Dalesean027]

Idk if it's really an outlier, i'm calculating that feat of ep 2 where he gets on clouds height so maybe we will get some decent ends for this one idk

I was thinking about using 2 methods for the calc: the average cloud height and the free fall that Hewey (idk how to write his name lmao).

This is a terrible calc, definitely not an outlier average cloud height for something like that sits at around 300ish meters to 600ish meters tops for a low end cloud height. You usrd the biggest number basically just because when its pretty obviously not a cumulonimbus cloud, its a stratus cloud which is almost 7~8x less of a average height than the value you used.

Also you can't arbitrarily add 2km without any actual sourced and defined reasoning


This should have just been a simple subsonic feat maybe sub+ tops