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The Boys discussion thread

FentyBeauty said:
guys gen v s2 is out

did anyone watch it yet
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I did watch

Marry seem very weak this season. She gets a bloody nose from seemingly regular human. Then Hunter defeated her. And Kat was one-shot by Jordan's energy attack. If the cat continues like this throughout the season, we will have to lower her from hers current tier. And also Cat lost her powers. Additionally, in the trailer for episode 4, Mari said she couldn't beat Jordan in a fight.
 
ByArrow said:
I did watch

Marry seem very weak this season. She gets a bloody nose from seemingly regular human. Then Hunter defeated her. And Kat was one-shot by Jordan's energy attack. If the cat continues like this throughout the season, we will have to lower her from hers current tier. And also Cat lost her powers. Additionally, in the trailer for episode 4, Mari said she couldn't beat Jordan in a fight.
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Long musings:

Personally it kinda feels like a plot contrivance to have actual suspense and secrets in the show so they nerfed Cate in episode 1 of S2 so she doesn't reveal everything with her telepathy (remember at her full power she affect multiple people without touching them) also while Cate did some messed up stuff, her losing an arm, part of her brain and lots of blood yet is still alive is pretty impressed but messed up too.

Honestly the inconsistent durability feats in Gen V/The Boys is pretty much the norm, Neuman was able to cut herself with a regular knife yet can tank acid and bullets, Marie is pretty much going to be Neuman but far more powerful yet gets hurt by regular humans yet tanked Homelander's heat vision (ofc he was likely holding back but still). Unless it's shown or stated Marie can use self blood manipulation for increased durability, expect more inconsistencies.

Jordan and Sam are clearly the physical powerhouses on campus which is cool to see, Marie is naturally the potential girl and Cate pretty much got replaced by the chameleon student (who can mimic anyone's powers and seemly gets full mastery over them for a minute, just by touch) as the hax character, honestly Gen V S2 is shaping up to be an interesting and very bloody season.
 
Marie can control blood cells as of Episode 4, so she'd have Biological Manipulation now. Also, she can utilize blood/cellular manipulation without using her hands.

Cipher has Body Puppetry, as he was able to control Jordan without physically touching them. Also, his main "Cipher" body doesn't have V in his system, because Marie sensed his blood and couldn't find any Compound V. Likewise, Thomas Goldokin's charred body was kept in a hypobaric chamber, so perhaps Cipher's controlling that one too.

Cate's Mind Manipulation control has been severed thanks to her brain damage in Episode 1, but it's possible she could gain it back.

Harper has Power Mimicry, but can only last for 60 seconds.

Project Odessa was made by Thomas Goldokin to create stronger Supes, and Marie is its biggest candidate. She's the reason why Godolkin University was even made. Anyway, Marie asked "stronger than Homelander? Why would he want that?", and Cipher only added by asking if she was a little intrigued.

Anyway, this season is GREAT so far.
 
Naeem0304 said:
Cipher has Body Puppetry, as he was able to control Jordan without physically touching them. Also, his main "Cipher" body doesn't have V in his system, because Marie sensed his blood and couldn't find any Compound V. Likewise, Thomas Goldokin's charred body was kept in a hypobaric chamber, so perhaps Cipher's controlling that one too.
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Jordan seemed unsure of what was happening, might be full mind manip.
 
Spinoirr said:
more likely possession + Body Puppetry
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Naeem0304 said:
Marie can control blood cells as of Episode 4, so she'd have Biological Manipulation now. Also, she can utilize blood/cellular manipulation without using her hands.

Cipher has Body Puppetry, as he was able to control Jordan without physically touching them. Also, his main "Cipher" body doesn't have V in his system, because Marie sensed his blood and couldn't find any Compound V. Likewise, Thomas Goldokin's charred body was kept in a hypobaric chamber, so perhaps Cipher's controlling that one too.

Cate's Mind Manipulation control has been severed thanks to her brain damage in Episode 1, but it's possible she could gain it back.

Harper has Power Mimicry, but can only last for 60 seconds.

Project Odessa was made by Thomas Goldokin to create stronger Supes, and Marie is its biggest candidate. She's the reason why Godolkin University was even made. Anyway, Marie asked "stronger than Homelander? Why would he want that?", and Cipher only added by asking if she was a little intrigued.

Anyway, this season is GREAT so far.
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The obvious explanation is the Thomas Godolkin is Cipher and naturally he's acting through other people while his main burned body is kept on life support, this also means he can control others by proxy (like how he controlled Jordan through the Deacon) OR possibly he could be able to possess others as long as his main body has seen them (Thomas woke up and saw both Kate and Jordan so...).

This all might be a big miss direct and we know from the trailers that Sage is involved with whatever Cipher has planned (or both planned), so there's definitely a major play at the works.

Also side note, the amount of ass in this show is just wtf!?
 
GraveDigger84 said:
only watched episode 1 but
Marie seems kinda weak ngl she gets a bloody nose from seemingly some random human (correct me if I'm wrong) and almost loses to some hunter supe until Starlight shows up
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I don't think those were normal humans though, since later Marie consistently takes supe-hits, so maybe those were some c-list supes?
About Dogknott, it was weird, but maybe they just love making Starlight OP while nerfing my queen Kimiko 😭
 
Just_Butchering said:
I don't think those were normal humans though, since later Marie consistently takes supe-hits, so maybe those were some c-list supes?
About Dogknott, it was weird, but maybe they just love making Starlight OP while nerfing my queen Kimiko 😭
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I mean, Dogknott was at least nominated for The Seven, so we know he's a cut above the average professional Supe.
 
Hello, does anybody here how fast is Homelander heat vision and how high temperature it can get?
 
Unfortunately 8-A is no longer with us. It's a shame really, 8-A is a tier with intresting matchups. That said, I have some questions for you guys on if you think the verse can get minor upgrades.

Question One: What do you guys think of the statements made in season 1 by Madelylin that Homelander is immune to every human weapon and the statement in season 3 from Butcher that it would have taken a hydrogen bomb to kill Soldier Boy respectively? I know neither of those have been deemed as good reasons for an upgrade to tier 7 but do you think god tiers in the verse can receive an upgrade to  likely 8-B from those statements because weapons like the mother of all bombs have an explosive yeild of 11 tons of TNT while more modern weapons like the W48 have a yeild of 70 tons of TNT and yet it's implied that nukes (powerful nukes too as hydrogen bombs are stronger than normal atomic bombs) would be absolutely required to kill Soldier Boy by Butcher who has every reason to know both how strong Soldier Boy is and how powerful weapons like bombs and tiny nukes can get (the W48 is essentially a tiny nuke)? That and the High 8-C feat Homelander preformed was a casual durability feat so I don't believe it would contradict an  at least High 8-C, likely 8-B upgrade.

Question Two: How would you feel about the argument that Homelanders top flight speed can be upgraded to High Hypersonic on the basis of him being able to fly to space which would require Homelander to exceed escape velocity which is roughly mach 34? That doesn't need to scale to his combat speed, that can stay Hypersonic+ but still The Boys is a grounded verse so I don't see why Homelander wouldn't need to reach escape velocity to fly to space especially when the wiki as a whole uses physics to quantify feats so escape velocity scaling could be fair game.

Anyways that's all thanks.
 
Snek said:
Unfortunately 8-A is no longer with us. It's a shame really, 8-A is a tier with intresting matchups. That said, I have some questions for you guys on if you think the verse can get minor upgrades.

Question One: What do you guys think of the statements made in season 1 by Madelylin that Homelander is immune to every human weapon and the statement in season 3 from Butcher that it would have taken a hydrogen bomb to kill Soldier Boy respectively? I know neither of those have been deemed as good reasons for an upgrade to tier 7 but do you think god tiers in the verse can receive an upgrade to  likely 8-B from those statements because weapons like the mother of all bombs have an explosive yeild of 11 tons of TNT while more modern weapons like the W48 have a yeild of 70 tons of TNT and yet it's implied that nukes (powerful nukes too as hydrogen bombs are stronger than normal atomic bombs) would be absolutely required to kill Soldier Boy by Butcher who has every reason to know both how strong Soldier Boy is and how powerful weapons like bombs and tiny nukes can get (the W48 is essentially a tiny nuke)? That and the High 8-C feat Homelander preformed was a casual durability feat so I don't believe it would contradict an  at least High 8-C, likely 8-B upgrade.

Question Two: How would you feel about the argument that Homelanders top flight speed can be upgraded to High Hypersonic on the basis of him being able to fly to space which would require Homelander to exceed escape velocity which is roughly mach 34? That doesn't need to scale to his combat speed, that can stay Hypersonic+ but still The Boys is a grounded verse so I don't see why Homelander wouldn't need to reach escape velocity to fly to space especially when the wiki as a whole uses physics to quantify feats so escape velocity scaling could be fair game.

Anyways that's all thanks.
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Kinda related, but in the new episode for Gen V (Episode 6), this was said by
Stan Edgar
Stan Edgar said this while the main cast were descending down his elevator to his underground bunker: "Below layers of zinc-reinforced concrete. Safe from X-Ray Vision, or anyone with the power of the Neutron Bomb
So yeah, we have a statement of a 'certain' Supe with that level of power, and that's a statement from a person who knew about the project that created Homelander. That could work as more evidence too.

Anyway, Question Two doesn't work like that. If you can freely fly then you don't have to worry about escape velocity
 
Naeem0304 said:
So yeah, we have a statement of a 'certain' Supe with that level of power, and that's a statement from a person who knew about the project that created Homelander. That could work as more evidence too.
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Way for The Boys to be weirdly consistent again with high end statements while providing feats that don't look impressive enough to back them up.

So is this going to be a three strikes (statements) and your possibly 7-B situation or are we going to wait for Homelander to actually go on a rampage in season 5 for him to randomly get viable tier 7 feats after years of being a punching bag for powerscalers lol?
Naeem0304 said:
Anyway, Question Two doesn't work like that. If you can freely fly then you don't have to worry about escape velocity
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I mean is Homelander able to fly by being immune to gravity or does he just produce his own force?

I don't remember that being elaborated on but we know he can make sonic booms which implies air resistance so I don't think him being unaffected by gravity is how he flies, that and Homelander also claimed he couldn't lift a flying plane because there's nothing to stand on and that if he tried he'd blow through it or knock it around which also seems to indicate that he flies by generating force in whatever direction he wants. Not sure though but if he is affected by both air resistance and gravity as he flies he should need to reach escape velocity to go to space.
 
Naeem0304 said:
Kinda related, but in the new episode for Gen V (Episode 6), this was said by
Stan Edgar
Stan Edgar said this while the main cast were descending down his elevator to his underground bunker: "Below layers of zinc-reinforced concrete. Safe from X-Ray Vision, or anyone with the power of the Neutron Bomb
So yeah, we have a statement of a 'certain' Supe with that level of power, and that's a statement from a person who knew about the project that created Homelander. That could work as more evidence too.

Anyway, Question Two doesn't work like that. If you can freely fly then you don't have to worry about escape velocity
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finally we can at least make Homelander at least small town Level via all these statements
 
Snek said:
I mean is Homelander able to fly by being immune to gravity or does he just produce his own force?

I don't remember that being elaborated on but we know he can make sonic booms which implies air resistance so I don't think him being unaffected by gravity is how he flies, that and Homelander also claimed he couldn't lift a flying plane because there's nothing to stand on and that if he tried he'd blow through it or knock it around which also seems to indicate that he flies by generating force in whatever direction he wants. Not sure though but if he is affected by both air resistance and gravity as he flies he should need to reach escape velocity to go to space.
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He produces his own force that counteracts gravity, so he doesn't need to worry about going at 11 km/s for escape velocity. As long as he can continuously move at a certain speed without an external factor (like engines) to account for his thrust then he doesn't need to achieve Mach 34.

Anyway, I think the nuclear bomb statements are fine. Butcher has been studying Homelander for YEARS, so he has validity in his statement. Also, Stan Edgar even implying the dude has the power of a Neutron Bomb is saying something because he's the number one hater of Homelander.

Personally I'd wait until Season 5 of The Boys, but the statements are good.
 
Yeah, that's now 3 statements that either strongly imply or explicitly state Homelander could only be put down by a nuke. Because nothing shown is even in the kiloton range, I agree that we should hold off on an upgrade. I think S5 will do right by the series and finale give us something big, literally.
 
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Naeem0304 said:
He produces his own force that counteracts gravity, so he doesn't need to worry about going at 11 km/s for escape velocity. As long as he can continuously move at a certain speed without an external factor (like engines) to account for his thrust then he doesn't need to achieve Mach 34.
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Fair enough.
Naeem0304 said:
Anyway, I think the nuclear bomb statements are fine. Butcher has been studying Homelander for YEARS, so he has validity in his statement. Also, Stan Edgar even implying the dude has the power of a Neutron Bomb is saying something because he's the number one hater of Homelander.
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That for sure couldn't scale top tiers in the verse beyond Town Level without a feat or more context, although I'm not sure about literally anything else that could happen with those statements aside from that because the statement trifecta makes for weird and interesting scaling to say the least especially when the feats don't match those statements yet. If only we still had the chemical plant calc at 8-A because it would have made tier 7 easier to argue for.

That said I'm curious, do you guys think top tiers could get away with becoming solidly baseline low 7-C  off the most recent statement, or do you think top tiers would get a likely  or possibly with that rating, or are you betting on a compromise approach where Homelander just upscales all weapons that aren't atomic or hydrogen bombs into being 8-B or 8-A or alternatively are you betting nobody would get upgraded and top tiers will stay high 8-C?
Naeem0304 said:
Personally I'd wait until Season 5 of The Boys, but the statements are good.
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Same, as much as an upgrade to tier 7 would be nice waiting on it is probably a good idea.

Although personally I think an upgrade from the statements is pheasable and I kind of want something like the following to happen with a heavily paraphrased version of what I envision for Homelander

at least Large Building Level, [insert refrence to Soldier Boys blast that Maeve tanked and to the chemical plant explosion]  likely City Block Level+, Madelylin Stillwell stated there isn't a weapon on Earth that hasn't been thrown at Homelander during a time where the MOAB (11 tons of TNT) and the W48 (70+ tons of TNT) exist and while her claim is likely exaggerated it is supported by Billy Butcher believing only a hydrogen bomb could have possibly killed Soldier Boy.
 
I'm just gonna point out the obvious fact that you don't need to be the same tier as a nuke in order to survive it. The force, temperature, and radiation you'd have to endure decreases the further you are from the blast, which is why regular people can survive if they're lucky enough. Homie would have to tank a blast at point blank range to even be considered tier 7, which is practically impossible to pull off due to how fast he is and the nuke having to be dropped precisely onto him.
 
AThe1412 said:
I'm just gonna point out the obvious fact that you don't need to be the same tier as a nuke in order to survive it. The force, temperature, and radiation you'd have to endure decreases the further you are from the blast, which is why regular people can survive if they're lucky enough. Homie would have to tank a blast at point blank range to even be considered tier 7, which is practically impossible to pull off due to how fast he is and the nuke having to be dropped precisely onto him.
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This is a weak argument. The idea is clearly about the power, not whether he is fast enough to didge it or not, Heck, I don't think ohter verse get this minute with details.
Anyways, Edgar's statement is very straightforward, "anyone with the power of a neutron bomb" doesn't let anything ambigous.
 
Neutron bombs are usually pretty low-yield, since they prioritize killing via radiation, but they can reach a kiloton or two from time to time.
 
I hope someone calcs the Nubians moving a storm in Season 1 Episode 6 of Diabolical (and this particular episode is confirmed canon to the show).

The feat:

Given how they moved clouds n stuff it could prolly get above Large Building Level, but idk. Plus, rain is visible in the background so those clouds are likely large.
 
Just_Butchering said:
This is a weak argument. The idea is clearly about the power, not whether he is fast enough to didge it or not, Heck, I don't think ohter verse get this minute with details.
Anyways, Edgar's statement is very straightforward, "anyone with the power of a neutron bomb" doesn't let anything ambigous.
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I didn't see that statement above.
Naeem0304 said:
I hope someone calcs the Nubians moving a storm in Season 1 Episode 6 of Diabolical (and this particular episode is confirmed canon to the show).

The feat:

Given how they moved clouds n stuff it could prolly get above Large Building Level, but idk. Plus, rain is visible in the background so those clouds are likely large.
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Someone has already done it but nobody scales to it because no UES.
 
*Marie can affect multiple supes at once with her powers, healed Polarity of his brain damage and not only healed Thomas Godokin of his burns but possibly restored some of his youth too.

*Thomas was Cipher all along (what a "total" suprise), he can still control his original body while possessing someone else and he either has the anti-aging version of compound V (like Stormfront) or he got his youth back from Marie.

*Annabeth had her powers before Marie awaken hers and had precognitive nightmares of their parents imminent deaths but as a kid, she likely didn't realise it was a superpower until it was too late. Also Annabeth foresaw Marie's death, though it'd unknown if that future has been avoided.

*Polarity can freely use his powers with seemly no drawbacks now (possibly this was the original plan for his son), can directly counter Cipher's mind control and survive blows from Sam and Jordan when they were controlled by Cipher.

*Misc: the butt guy is confirmed to have a pocket dimension in his ass, Sage knew all along Marie would heal Thomas thus is likely still playing the long game, Thomas has gone full abelism mode on the young supes with "useless" powers on campus (straight up killing students) and it's implied Cate is the key to stopping Thomas though it remains to be seen if Marie will heal her (Cate seems to have the biggest death flag this season).
 
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The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
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and it's implied Cate is the key to stopping Thomas though it remains to be seen if Marie will heal her (Cate seems to have the biggest death flag this season).
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omg also honestly marie was kinda weird this episode

im like mad abt the way she js healed a random guy first but shes not gonna do that for cate even tho cate swore she wasn’t gonna use her powers on her friends way before

like i get what happened in s1 bc of cate & marie has a right to like not trust her but then shes also the one bloodbending jordan & the others n telling cate to mind control them so idk whats upp
 
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