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I want to make few additions.
So on his profile alongside Limited Vector Manipulation (already accepted) he should have Acrobatics.
Characters like Yu and Siha have been shown to being able to replicate Ryu's techniques meaning their level of flexibility is comparable to him with Yu being able to replicate said moves even in bad situations and Siha being able to replicate them on a "lower level"; so, with a scaling chain like this Yu>Ryu>Siha, they all should have Acrobatics and Limited Vector Manip for the reasons I listed above.
To add consistency Yu showed to be capable of dodge sudden attacks even while he is moving forward at max speed.
Some examples are Yu that by using his monster stance he could speed blitz and KO Jean and Aaron who by using technique could make his punch disappear.
So I believe everyone should have an higher rating in both Ap and Attack Speed with technique.
Feats involving technique would scale to technique.
Feats not involving them would scale to the base stats of the characters, with technique upscaling from there.
NOTE: Durability logically scales to the AP they tank which is the AP caused by technique; Reaction speed of the characters won't scale to technique they dodge because they don't dodge them using reaction but using Analytical Prediction, Yu is an exception as he sees the world in slow motion allowing him to react to said punches so his reaction scales higher than technique; I also believe Jean should have the same thing as Yu since he could reach the same "realm" as Yu; Fabrizio with steroids should also scale in reaction to technique as the steroids allowed him to see incoming punches.
I'll make a list of the most important feats we use to scale the characters explaining if they fall under technique or not.
NOTE: Yu specifically should have his monster stance as another "higher" over his normal technique as it's presented as his "ultimate technique" that makes him push back Aaron even tho he couldn't make him flinch with any other attack and speed blitz characters like Jean who can see and dodge his other techniques.
I also believe everyone should take Statistic Amplification as by using techniques they can increase their AP and Attack Speed mid-fight.
Now I'll rephrase everyone justifications' to match this new additions:
Vector Manip and Acrobatics:
Ryu should have Acrobatics, his entire fighting style is about his flexibility to the point he can make impossible dodges and redirect attacks without any loss in speed and energy.So on his profile alongside Limited Vector Manipulation (already accepted) he should have Acrobatics.
Characters like Yu and Siha have been shown to being able to replicate Ryu's techniques meaning their level of flexibility is comparable to him with Yu being able to replicate said moves even in bad situations and Siha being able to replicate them on a "lower level"; so, with a scaling chain like this Yu>Ryu>Siha, they all should have Acrobatics and Limited Vector Manip for the reasons I listed above.
To add consistency Yu showed to be capable of dodge sudden attacks even while he is moving forward at max speed.
How techniques work in the verse:
Technique in The Boxer is treated as multiplier, it's said to multiply the physical stats of the athlete (which is something that happens IRL too).Some examples are Yu that by using his monster stance he could speed blitz and KO Jean and Aaron who by using technique could make his punch disappear.
So I believe everyone should have an higher rating in both Ap and Attack Speed with technique.
Feats involving technique would scale to technique.
Feats not involving them would scale to the base stats of the characters, with technique upscaling from there.
NOTE: Durability logically scales to the AP they tank which is the AP caused by technique; Reaction speed of the characters won't scale to technique they dodge because they don't dodge them using reaction but using Analytical Prediction, Yu is an exception as he sees the world in slow motion allowing him to react to said punches so his reaction scales higher than technique; I also believe Jean should have the same thing as Yu since he could reach the same "realm" as Yu; Fabrizio with steroids should also scale in reaction to technique as the steroids allowed him to see incoming punches.
I'll make a list of the most important feats we use to scale the characters explaining if they fall under technique or not.
- Yu breaking's Ryu's bones should scale to normal AP as he was just randomly punching him.
- Ryu Breaks a Desk scales to normal ap as it was a random kick.
- Jean's feats as punching trough a sandbag and blitzing a dude scale to his technique, he was capable of performing them only after entering a "realm" that allows you, in few words, to improve your technique; the author explains it with an IRL situation that happened to him where he could make a perfect jump that made him jump higher than normal, it's also described as an ability that makes the perfection of technique possible.
- Viktor AS feat scales to his normal speed as they are random punches and he is known to only knowing a single technique which isn't used here.
- J outspeeding Yu scales to normal speed as it's simple travel speed.
- Ryu speed should remain normal speed as the feats that put him Subsonic are normal travel speed for most of them.
NOTE: Yu specifically should have his monster stance as another "higher" over his normal technique as it's presented as his "ultimate technique" that makes him push back Aaron even tho he couldn't make him flinch with any other attack and speed blitz characters like Jean who can see and dodge his other techniques.
I also believe everyone should take Statistic Amplification as by using techniques they can increase their AP and Attack Speed mid-fight.
Now I'll rephrase everyone justifications' to match this new additions:
Yu first key:
Attack Potency: At least Street level, possibly Streel level+ (Casually beat down Ryu Baeksan who could fight off a professional Super Middleweight boxer,[8] the same boxer implying Ryu may have won the fight had it been outside a boxing ring.[8] Broke every single bone in Ryu Baeksan's body,[9] which would require at least this much energy, though this was done through multiple hits), higher with technique.
Speed: Subsonic (Comparable with Ryu who can appear as a blur against professional boxer), higher Attack Speed with technique (Could blitz Ryu), higher reaction speed (His perception of people moving is shown to be in slow motion)[1]
Yu second key:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+ (Superior to Post-Time Skip Ryu who performed this), Wall level with technique (Comparable to Jean Pierre who was able to punch a hole into a punching bag,[15] which would take this much energy.), even higher with Monster Stance (Was capable of KO Jean with a single hit)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Can punch faster than a human can react. Faster than Jean Pierre, who could move this fast[16]), even higher with Monster Stance (Was being seemingly matched by Jean Pierre with some of his punches at first, however Jean couldn't react to his movement the moment Yu used his stance)[17], higher reaction speed
Yu third key
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Santorino Fabrizio using steroids, who was capable of tearing through multiple punching bags was stated to have no chance against Yu regardless of what tricks he used[19]), higher with steroids (Considerably stronger than before), higher with technique, even higher with Monster Stance.
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher with steroids (Much faster then before), higher Attack Speed with technique, even higher with Monster Stance, higher reaction speed
Yu fourth key:
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, At least Small Building level, likely higher with technique (Effortlessly took down multiple cruiserweight boxers in one hit, including Viktor Grigoryevich, who[20] fought[20] and[20] beat[20] a[20] grizzly bear, a Wild Boar, a charging Ox, a Kangaroo, and a Gorilla. This same Viktor Grigoryevich was capable of releasing this much energy), even higher with Monster Stance
Speed: At least Hypersonic (Faster than J who performed this), higher Attack Speed with technique, even higher with Monster Stance, higher reaction speed
NOTE: I'll make a small note for the fourth key as he suddenly jumps to small building with techniques, Yu was able to One Shot Viktor who has the Small Building feat tho he did that only by using a specific technique he saw Ryu do years ago, when we talk about his physical stats we see that Yu shouldn't match heavyweights boxers with his body alone so he uses his techniques (and dodging ability) to compensate.
Aaron:
Nothing changes, he already has this "higher with techniques".
Viktor:
Attack Potency: Small Building level (His punches can carry this much force), higher with Russian Hook
Speed: At least Subsonic (Can punch faster than a machine gun can eject its shells), higher Attack Speed with Russian Hook
Fabrizio:
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Even without a full dosage of steroids, he was capable of casually tearing through multiple punching bags, and doped his body further for his match against Yu[8]), higher with technique | At least Wall level (Fought his way to becoming Middleweight World Champion after his defeat, making him at least as strong as he was when he took steroids), higher with technique
Speed: At least Subsonic (Should be comparable to Yu), higher Attack Speed with techniques, higher reaction speed (steroids allowed him to see incoming punches) | At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique
Yuto:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+, At least Wall level with technique (Should be superior to Jean Pierre), higher with Evolution (Should be comparable to his durability)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Should be comparable to Jean Pierre), higher with Evolution (Almost tagged Yu a few times)
Jean:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+ (As the previous Lightweight World Champion he should be at least superior to a beginning of the series Yu who was capable of effortlessly[6] beating down Ryu Baeksan[6] and is also superior to Post-Timeskip Ryu who did this, who would have been capable of defeating a professional Super Middleweight Boxer had their fight not been in a boxing ring[7]), higher with technique | At least Street level+, Wall level with technique (Punched a hole into a large sand bag[8] which would require this much energy)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Should at least be superior to a beginning of the series Yu who blitzed[9] Ryu Baeksan) | Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Was capable of moving this fast), higher reaction speed (Entered Yu's "realm" that allows him to percieve the world in slow motion)
Siha:
Attack Potency: Street level+ (Easily capable of defeating many professional boxers, some in a single attack.[2] Scales above Post-Timeskip Ryu Baeksan, who could defeat hordes of people even while injured and drugged[4] and did this, Possibly superior to beginning of series Yu in terms of physical strength), higher with technique
Speed: Subsonic (Scales fairly above many professional boxers, and Post-Timeskip Ryu), higher Attack Speed with technique
Ryu:
Attack Potency: At least Street level, possibly Streel level+, higher with technique (Would have won his fight against Cheol, who is ranked 3rd in super middleweight, if the fight didn't take place inside the ring, he can toy with athletes fighters even if they are above his weight class) | Streel level+ (Performed this feat), higher with technique
Speed: Subsonic (3rd ranked boxer in Super Middleweight stated that Ryu is quick, Ryu can also appear as a blur, could blitz Jay, was able to create various after images after becoming serious)
,higher Attack Speed with technique | Subsonic (Should be at least as fast as before even though his leg's injury doesn't allow him to constantly move as freely as he used to, could blitz a gangster while being drugged), higher Attack Speed with technique
NOTE: I forgot to say it but striking strength also take "higher with techniques" for obvious reasons.
Attack Potency: At least Street level, possibly Streel level+ (Casually beat down Ryu Baeksan who could fight off a professional Super Middleweight boxer,[8] the same boxer implying Ryu may have won the fight had it been outside a boxing ring.[8] Broke every single bone in Ryu Baeksan's body,[9] which would require at least this much energy, though this was done through multiple hits), higher with technique.
Speed: Subsonic (Comparable with Ryu who can appear as a blur against professional boxer), higher Attack Speed with technique (Could blitz Ryu), higher reaction speed (His perception of people moving is shown to be in slow motion)[1]
Yu second key:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+ (Superior to Post-Time Skip Ryu who performed this), Wall level with technique (Comparable to Jean Pierre who was able to punch a hole into a punching bag,[15] which would take this much energy.), even higher with Monster Stance (Was capable of KO Jean with a single hit)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Can punch faster than a human can react. Faster than Jean Pierre, who could move this fast[16]), even higher with Monster Stance (Was being seemingly matched by Jean Pierre with some of his punches at first, however Jean couldn't react to his movement the moment Yu used his stance)[17], higher reaction speed
Yu third key
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Santorino Fabrizio using steroids, who was capable of tearing through multiple punching bags was stated to have no chance against Yu regardless of what tricks he used[19]), higher with steroids (Considerably stronger than before), higher with technique, even higher with Monster Stance.
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher with steroids (Much faster then before), higher Attack Speed with technique, even higher with Monster Stance, higher reaction speed
Yu fourth key:
Attack Potency: At least Wall level, At least Small Building level, likely higher with technique (Effortlessly took down multiple cruiserweight boxers in one hit, including Viktor Grigoryevich, who[20] fought[20] and[20] beat[20] a[20] grizzly bear, a Wild Boar, a charging Ox, a Kangaroo, and a Gorilla. This same Viktor Grigoryevich was capable of releasing this much energy), even higher with Monster Stance
Speed: At least Hypersonic (Faster than J who performed this), higher Attack Speed with technique, even higher with Monster Stance, higher reaction speed
NOTE: I'll make a small note for the fourth key as he suddenly jumps to small building with techniques, Yu was able to One Shot Viktor who has the Small Building feat tho he did that only by using a specific technique he saw Ryu do years ago, when we talk about his physical stats we see that Yu shouldn't match heavyweights boxers with his body alone so he uses his techniques (and dodging ability) to compensate.
Aaron:
Nothing changes, he already has this "higher with techniques".
Viktor:
Attack Potency: Small Building level (His punches can carry this much force), higher with Russian Hook
Speed: At least Subsonic (Can punch faster than a machine gun can eject its shells), higher Attack Speed with Russian Hook
Fabrizio:
Attack Potency: At least Wall level (Even without a full dosage of steroids, he was capable of casually tearing through multiple punching bags, and doped his body further for his match against Yu[8]), higher with technique | At least Wall level (Fought his way to becoming Middleweight World Champion after his defeat, making him at least as strong as he was when he took steroids), higher with technique
Speed: At least Subsonic (Should be comparable to Yu), higher Attack Speed with techniques, higher reaction speed (steroids allowed him to see incoming punches) | At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique
Yuto:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+, At least Wall level with technique (Should be superior to Jean Pierre), higher with Evolution (Should be comparable to his durability)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Should be comparable to Jean Pierre), higher with Evolution (Almost tagged Yu a few times)
Jean:
Attack Potency: At least Street level+ (As the previous Lightweight World Champion he should be at least superior to a beginning of the series Yu who was capable of effortlessly[6] beating down Ryu Baeksan[6] and is also superior to Post-Timeskip Ryu who did this, who would have been capable of defeating a professional Super Middleweight Boxer had their fight not been in a boxing ring[7]), higher with technique | At least Street level+, Wall level with technique (Punched a hole into a large sand bag[8] which would require this much energy)
Speed: At least Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Should at least be superior to a beginning of the series Yu who blitzed[9] Ryu Baeksan) | Subsonic, higher Attack Speed with technique (Was capable of moving this fast), higher reaction speed (Entered Yu's "realm" that allows him to percieve the world in slow motion)
Siha:
Attack Potency: Street level+ (Easily capable of defeating many professional boxers, some in a single attack.[2] Scales above Post-Timeskip Ryu Baeksan, who could defeat hordes of people even while injured and drugged[4] and did this, Possibly superior to beginning of series Yu in terms of physical strength), higher with technique
Speed: Subsonic (Scales fairly above many professional boxers, and Post-Timeskip Ryu), higher Attack Speed with technique
Ryu:
Attack Potency: At least Street level, possibly Streel level+, higher with technique (Would have won his fight against Cheol, who is ranked 3rd in super middleweight, if the fight didn't take place inside the ring, he can toy with athletes fighters even if they are above his weight class) | Streel level+ (Performed this feat), higher with technique
Speed: Subsonic (3rd ranked boxer in Super Middleweight stated that Ryu is quick, Ryu can also appear as a blur, could blitz Jay, was able to create various after images after becoming serious)
,higher Attack Speed with technique | Subsonic (Should be at least as fast as before even though his leg's injury doesn't allow him to constantly move as freely as he used to, could blitz a gangster while being drugged), higher Attack Speed with technique
NOTE: I forgot to say it but striking strength also take "higher with techniques" for obvious reasons.
Yu third key should lose Rage Power with steroids and have it replaced with Statistic Amplification, it doesn't make sense that with steroids he gets stronger because he is angry.
Yu and Jean should also lose his Enhanced Senses and add Perception Manipulation as the state they are in passively boost their perceptions of time.
Yu and Jean should also lose his Enhanced Senses and add Perception Manipulation as the state they are in passively boost their perceptions of time.
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