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The Binding of Isaac Repentance Upgrade *Spoilers*
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I've never implied there wasn't symbolism, but the endings are fairly straight forward and unambiguous before, saying to not take it at face value when the previous endings are directly referenced and obvious as day, with them even spelling it out in ending 20 about him thinking he is the devil, baffles me. Ending 22 references Hush/Delirium/Mother ending's as part of his story, the evidence implying everything is an hallucination is overanalysing dialogue
I'm tired to tell the truth, i will call it quits for today
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I don't think talking about this any more will get us anywhere, I've made my argument and you've made yours, I've already explained that this is ending is different from the previous ones and Edmund's interpretation is perfectly viable, if you wanna disagree with that then cheers, I ain't budging.
But, something in a previous illusion being shown as fake still doesn't prevent it from being an illusion, that much is very clear.
But, something in a previous illusion being shown as fake still doesn't prevent it from being an illusion, that much is very clear.
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I think these points make sense to me.
It's not like the author is clarifying on someone's power level or whatever. The author is speaking about the main lore of the story. You can't claim death of the author to disregard it, unless it is directly contradicted in canon. But from what I've seen till now, it's supported in canon too.
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We're mostly debating on whether Death of the Author comes into play, which I believe it does not.
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Well it's been debated at length but the setting of the entire game is a dying hallucination for this kid named Isaac, and the final ending seems to show that it was actually a bedtime story he was making up with his dad, but the author has stated that that too is a hallucination and Isaac is dead, and some context clues hint at that as well. That's the gist of it.
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Shouldnt be atleast probally???
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I don't think so, no. Edmund has been incredibly clear on what the actual meaning of the story is.
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Doesnt in one ending isaac sees him as a the devil and escapes the house. or that was just a halucination?
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Basically everything is a hallucination, yeah.
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Okay and why is that??? by that logic everything can be debunked by "is a hallucination"
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Yeah, that's the whole point. It's an unreliable narrator, is that something you're not familiar with?
He does accept himself, and that means his subconscious makes him imagine a happy ending. But yes, he dies, it's not a happy ending, it was never meant to be, it's just a bit more bittersweet than before because Isaac at least manages to die happy. If you think it "destroys the meaning" because he "didn't achieve jack shit" then you probably should be concerning yourself with more straightforward kinds of stories, I thought it was a beautiful ending.
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Word of god says it + Extra evidence I have already pointed out multiple times + There is no concrete evidence against it since "it's an illusion" is a perfectly feasible event in the story. I have already explained this multiple times, please try to keep up.
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Giving Isaac plot manipulation by being the one who writes the story, which I opposed because I do not think that he is consciously writing it.
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That is passive plot manip then he is still writting what happens in the story not consciously but still
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Yes, but limited since he doesn't have direct control over it. Although I am only neutral about it since I do not know the specifics of the power too well.
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Pretty sure than that isnt limited
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it is limited
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it do be limited
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Okay. I think that you make sense to me.
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Question: Since when has a character needed to consciously use an ability to have it?
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have you like, been reading? i literally was the first to suggest "limited plot manip".
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Have you? It was pretty damn obvious I was replying to Ant.
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I'm neutral on the subject, although I'm still not sure if it applies or not.
