The Bare Minimum Magneto Revision

[Hellbeast]

...I think you're getting it wrong, GPE is LS, KE is AP, we need KE counteraction feats

Nah I know about KE but I've seen us calc GPE and use that for AP

If people are putting unnecessary standards based on face value bias, they get unnecessary responses :/

True but its more the attitude just being kinda unneeded tbh

Aside from that, this RT might be helpful (The tearing satellites from orbit would be dope)

 

[The_Impress]

So you're inducing a timeframe but you're also saying your timeframe is nonsensical???

Also if its a relatively slow lift then it's LS, is it not :v

 

[The_Impress]

Nah I know about KE but I've seen us calc GPE and use that for AP

Isn't that for giants tho, and instances where something falls onto a person

Also I'll check the RT, seems his forcefields get good feats

 

[Hellbeast]

Isn't that for giants tho, and instances where something falls onto a person

I swear it came up for the Metal Gear Solid revisions
It was a suggestion for Psycho Mantis' ap

Also I'll check the RT, seems his forcefields get good feats

Looks like it

 

[Antvasima]

Everybody please stop derailing and focus on finding useful feats to scale from instead. Thank you.

 

[Hellbeast]

Everybody please stop derailing and focus on finding useful feats to scale from instead. Thank you.

We are Ant
I literally just posted an RT we can use

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Sorry about that then.

 

[Armorchompy]

Isn't that for giants tho, and instances where something falls onto a person

that's one of the possible uses, yes.

So you're inducing a timeframe but you're also saying your timeframe is nonsensical???

no, i am not inducing it because PE doesn't use a timeframe.

Also if its a relatively slow lift then it's LS, is it not :v

it's still LS even if it's a fast lift, and it can still be calced with PE if it's slow

 

[The_Impress]

that's one of the possible uses, yes.

no, i am not inducing it because PE doesn't use a timeframe.

it's still LS even if it's a fast lift, and it can still be calced with PE if it's slow

...ok this is genuinely sounding contradicting, i'll ask for a clarification offsite

 

[Armorchompy]

lfitng stegnth

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bumpers

 

[The_Impress]

So should we just use the 7-B calc :V

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

If people are putting unnecessary standards based on face value bias, they get unnecessary responses :/

Being kind instead of being rude is not unnecessary :/ I just said my opinion. Agreed or not you should respect it. Didn't say that the wiki should follow it. I stop this right here because I don't want to derail the thread or get off topic.

Anyway, I remebered that Magneto in the recent Planet size X-Men has feats like this. Maybe they could help.

 

[Confluctor]

Link doesn't work.

Also didn't he have an amp in this arc?

 

[ΚΟΜΙΞ]

Link doesn't work.

Also didn't he have an amp in this arc?

I posted it in imgur.



I don't remember him to be amped there. Giant Size was released 1 month ago.

 

[Everywhereman]

Magneto wasn't amped during this as Hope Summers, who was the one amping some of the others, did not help him. I don't know if these feats amount to anything substantial but magneto has also casually moved the S.W.O.R.D. space station twice. The first time is the original station the latter is an EXACT replica that was growing rapidly.

 

[Confluctor]

Alright, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[The_Impress]

...just saying, both those feats don't look tier 7, let alone any higher.

Feel free to get them calced tho

 

[Antvasima]

So should we just use the 7-B calc :V

Maybe we could do something similar as what we currently use for Storm, with "5-A (fought these characters), at least 7-B environmental destruction (did this calculated feat)", as a placeholder solution until we get rid of scaling everybody to the Grey Hulk's outlier feat?

 

[The_Impress]

Post scans of him harming 5-As with instantaneous LS/AP then :V

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if I remember correctly he has repelled Thor's and She-Hulk's blows with his force field in the original late 1980s Avengers versus X-Men story that was a follow-up on the trial of Magneto story arc, but that is a durability feat.

 

[Confluctor]

There is also feat of him fighting the New Avengers from New Avengers Vol 4; the Collective. Although he wasn't in control of himself, but iirc he wasn't amped in any way either

 

[The_Impress]

Is any New Avenger 5-A?

 

[Confluctor]

Sentry of that time was most definitely 5A. Plus he gets scaled from binary carol too in that arc (the details are a bit fuzzy, so I cannot be 100% sure but when I get time, I can get you some scans of it)

It happens around New Avengers #19 - #20

 

[The_Impress]

I thought Sentry was a Dark Avenger, not a New Avenger. Weird.

 

[Confluctor]

He was a New Avenger, then Mighty Avenger, then Dark Avenger. Man's been going around.

Then he was also part of the Four Horsemen during his DSS days.

 

[Antvasima]

Confluctor is correct. I think that Sentry was finally killed off by Knull recently though.

 

[Confluctor]

We don't talk about that... Sad.

Yeah.

 

[Hellbeast]

Maybe we could do something similar as what we currently use for Storm, with "5-A (fought these characters), at least 7-B environmental destruction (did this calculated feat)", as a placeholder solution until we get rid of scaling everybody to the Grey Hulk's outlier feat?

I definitely think that scaling based off his own feats might be better
I can't recall Magneto hurting top tiers (I'm no expert tho) and as you've said the Grey Hulk feat is whack

 

[Confluctor]

Why is the Grey Hulk feat an outlier?

 

[The_Impress]

Grey Hulk still stat amps, just less often, and Hulk canonically has been stated multiple times, to have able killed only ONE person throughout the years because Banner refuses to harm a fly, and like, the Thing "Tier 5" feats are whack NF calcs missing ALOT of context for face value feats.

Only reason the 4-B oofening didn't yeet the 5-A was because they were featless at that point, so the revision project would've never went through

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Hulk had a conversation with Amadeus Cho during World War Hulk in which he stated that he has killed several opponents over the years, with given examples from past storylines.

 

[Antvasima]

Why is the Grey Hulk feat an outlier?

Because all of his other feats are of a very limited scale.

 

[Hellbeast]

I think that Hulk had a conversation with Amadeus Cho during World War Hulk in which he stated that he has killed several opponents over the years, with given examples from past storylines.

True but he's mostly held back by Banner from going for kill on site

Grey Hulk still stat amps, just less often, and Hulk canonically has been stated multiple times, to have able killed only ONE person throughout the years because Banner refuses to harm a fly, and like, the Thing "Tier 5" feats are whack NF calcs missing ALOT of context for face value feats.

Only reason the 4-B oofening didn't yeet the 5-A was because they were featless at that point, so the revision project would've never went through

What feats do you suggest to replace it?
I recall some Tectonic stuff somewhere we could use

 

[The_Impress]

What feats do you suggest to replace it?
I recall some Tectonic stuff somewhere we could use

Trying to get calcs for it rn.

This may be derailing for the thread at hand, I think 5-A forcefields and 7-B offensive is accepted? Until better feats are found that is

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah we should have this as it;'s own thread
7-B TK is fine and 5-A forcefields work

 

[The_Impress]

I think that Hulk had a conversation with Amadeus Cho during World War Hulk in which he stated that he has killed several opponents over the years, with given examples from past storylines.

He gives a single example, which Amadeus states isn't the norm in any way :V

 

[Antvasima]

Trying to get calcs for it rn.

This may be derailing for the thread at hand, I think 5-A forcefields and 7-B offensive is accepted? Until better feats are found that is

That seems fine, yes.

He gives a single example, which Amadeus states isn't the norm in any way :V

Okay. I thought that it was several, but may misremember.

He also later repeatedly killed a planetfull of demons in the Dark Dimension, but I suppose that those do not exactly count.

 

[The_Impress]

I don't think those should count considering it's questionable they're living in the first place, yeah

Anyways applying then

 

[The_Impress]

I have applied the revision, and am now closing the thread.

We're open to upgrading/downgrading his tier, granted calcs and legitimate scalings are provided, so feel free to make a thread regarding that topic in the future